Rocket3015
Legend
One of these days I will grow a pair and give this fasting thing a try. But I don't think right now is the right time. You, @MrKleen73 and @Dustin07 are my inspiration !
Hyde’s Strength Odyssey
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MrKleen73
Legend
Not saying it is a should or shouldn't but there is some research out there that says a week long fast can shrink a malignant tumor quite a bit, so it may possibly be beneficial in your predicament. Although not sure I would recommend during chemo. I don't know enough about it but you want want to look into some research on it.
Dustin07
Legend
I'm starting to see it as another crucial part of training tbh. The health benefits appear to be incredible, the mental training is A+. and with inflation the way it is, I'm sure saving time and money on food prep this week
Hyde
Legend
Very low carb and especially ketogenic diets have shown some results on this as well for some. Like you said, probably not something to mess with during chemo, but after treatment settle down it could be something to play with.
At the opposite end of the spectrum, there’s a totally vegan, plant-based whole foods diet that has also shown to be effective (over the standard American diet, for both of these).
For myself, it would be radically easier & more enjoyable to eat keto than the whole food vegan diet.
Dustin07
Legend
How much longer is this weeks vision quest, sensei? almost time to break the fast?
gphagan1
Legend
That makes a lot of sense, because I know a good fast helps detox the body.
Dustin07
Legend
The science is above my head but after listening to every podcast I can find since Kleen/Hyde introduced me to real fasting, it is one of the most common topics that continue to come up.
Hyde
Legend
Total Fast: 112 hours (4 days, 16 hours)
BW: 218.0lbs (-9lbs, new low)
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This is the second longest fast I’ve done (7 days is PR), and by far the easiest extended one. Getting 3 grams of sodium in with about a gallon of total fluid daily is key. Water, green tea, black coffee. By the third morning I was in full keto, and that’s when things became much easier. Today & yesterday have been almost like normal days; easily could have kept going but I don’t want to skew my bloods tomorrow morning & really want to get back to training tomorrow evening.
For anyone interested in trying to drop a couple lbs of visceral fat & improve your metabolic health as fast as possible, I encourage you to try a 60 hour run. Finish eating 8pm Friday, spend the weekend laying around reading/resting/walking outside (don’t plan any chores/physical activities), and you can have breakfast at 8am Monday to be ready for the demands of work.
BW: 218.0lbs (-9lbs, new low)
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This is the second longest fast I’ve done (7 days is PR), and by far the easiest extended one. Getting 3 grams of sodium in with about a gallon of total fluid daily is key. Water, green tea, black coffee. By the third morning I was in full keto, and that’s when things became much easier. Today & yesterday have been almost like normal days; easily could have kept going but I don’t want to skew my bloods tomorrow morning & really want to get back to training tomorrow evening.
For anyone interested in trying to drop a couple lbs of visceral fat & improve your metabolic health as fast as possible, I encourage you to try a 60 hour run. Finish eating 8pm Friday, spend the weekend laying around reading/resting/walking outside (don’t plan any chores/physical activities), and you can have breakfast at 8am Monday to be ready for the demands of work.
MrKleen73
Legend
Looking great @Hyde! I even see a little ab separation under that hair. Serratus showing too. Is this the final push or you going to push a little further? I am doing a 60+ hour right now, at the 42 hour mark now and holding over until tomorrow morning. If I feel as good as you did the other day, I may push training one more day and extend to a 72-84 fast. Right now the plan is tomorrow morning.
Hyde
Legend
Taped at 38.5” at the navel last night - down about 5” from my heaviest!
Probably the last fast of this size anytime soon - I’ve fasted over 7.5 of the last 13 days. I will try to keep things tight for another few weeks yet though, because we’re going to the beach in 3 weeks for vacation. But I don’t expect to drop lower than this before then.
They’ve always responded well - you’re seeing the fruits of my renewed labor now that I can train them again after 18 months of being halted by those elbow spurs. With long arms, the shoulder girdle cannot get away with a widegrip pec-dominant bench. You have to bench with your arms, which means you need strong delts to drive the weight up off the chest until the tris can take over.
And I’ve got the rear delts to back them up!
MrKleen73
Legend
Yep, your whole shoulder is really well developed! Actually both of them!
Oh yeah, another 3 weeks with a few shorter fast will still probably bring the fat down a little farther. Definitely no need for another long extended one. Looking really good, I bet the wife is loving it! I know you said she likes you a little leaner.
My wife is one of those loving wives who refuses to admit I look better when I am lean. Like she is afraid of hurting my feelings with pretty common knowledge. LOL I told her that is just silly, everyone who is overweight looks better thinner. However, when I am lean I catch her staring at me, admiring me, and she compliments me more when I am lean so I know which way she thinks I look better. LOL
MrKleen73
Legend
This made me think of something.na, you just gotta keep mixing it up so she has the excitement of being with a different guy every 6 months lol.
I know my wife loved my abs but I can tell she loves how much my chest has grown and honestly I don't think she really noticed my abs disappeared
As built as you are and close to having those abs, their are goofy people that would still call that a Dad bod. I am like most Dad's I know are naturally skinny or have dunlop syndrome. So 15% BF with lots of muscle is not Dad body territory. I saw where some people online said Chris Bumstead has a Dad bod now and he is the Classic Mr. Olympia huge and still about 10% body fat. Same with Jason Mamoa... I am like give me a break, you wish that was a Dad bod.
Dustin07
Legend
First person to tell me I have dad bod gets their jaw wired back together lol
Rocket3015
Legend
sammpedd88
Well-known member
Dude you’re killing it! I’m gonna need some of your wisdom on hydration and fasting!
gphagan1
Legend
You’ve got fasting the proper way down pat. Your upper body, chest, shoulders, arms, and traps are really popping now, especially in contrast to how small your waist has gotten.
Well you’ve totally convinced me that when done the right way, timed properly, and adding sodium, that you can even incorporate a longer fast into your program, without much if any muscle loss, and accelerate fat loss quicker than almost anything I’ve seen.
MrKleen73
Legend
Holy Crap @Hyde I just found a picture of you from the beginning of our 2018 transformation. You look so different. Also this proves how awesome your progress on shoulders has come. It damn sure isn't just genetic! Great job, and this is a comparison after a long fast. I imagine today you look a lot fuller and even more impressive!
Dustin07
Legend
saw that too and was thinking the same thing, delts and biceps POPPING
Hyde
Legend
Super easy: ~1/2 teaspoon of iodized table salt
(1,180mg sodium & good thyroid support) taken as a shot 3x/day, or mixed into your normal volume of water you’d consume on a nontraining day. I took Magnesium 3 of the evenings, but it started to give me heartburn so I stopped.
221.4lbs today, so a true net loss of about 5.5lbs in 5 days! And I had plenty of carbs and fiber yesterday & no bm yet.
It is pretty crazy to look between the 2. Especially considering I’m actually lighter in the recent one. The biggest likely contributors:
-Started using oils for proper cycles instead of overly relying on orals
-Switching to blast/cruise with athletic HRT
-Adding L-Carnitine
-Taking nutrition and sleep much more seriously
-Training with the next 6-12 months in mind, instead of only focusing on the next 6-12 weeks
-Consistent effort over 5 more years; brick by brick
Dustin07
Legend
that was the first thing I noticed. lower weight, yet more pronounced size I think in biceps, delts and pecs.
Hyde
Legend
Shame you cannot see my legs in them! I have squat 45kg/100 lbs more between these two photos.
gphagan1
Legend
Very good advice here….people have gotten so impatient in today’s society, but to build something right sometimes it takes more patience and time. Plus that approach is smarter and really healthier in the long run.
Hyde
Legend
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MrKleen73
Legend
I am doing much better on nutrition and sleep, and am thinking about adding in L-Carnitine.
I am looking at starting to train for the longer haul as well. I love training very intensely but it can often lower MRV to the point I get there before the end of the planned training cycle. Doing a little more research now on ways to manage this better, and remove some of the risk of injury with going balls to the walls on so many sets. It will help me have more successful workouts in a row and not get as beat up.
Dustin07
Legend
oral or injectable? I used to think my oral carnitine was quite helpful and maybe it was in a deficit but I notice it less now that I eat double the carbs I used to. I believe Hyde told me once before that the injectable is far more effective so as an oral I tend to take 2-3 servings at minimum at a time. I won't likely replace it when I finish it this time.
I'm looking forward to seeing what you find. I have simmered down the volume intensity for months and did great IMO for strength but lately have really just "wanted" to hammer the volume and hypertrophy. it's a rabbit hole that I haven't figured out how to get out of yet. maybe 4 weeks of massive hypertrophy followed by a week off and then 3-4 weeks of 3-5 rep stuff looking for 1rm's.
Hyde
Legend
There will be times when discipline matters! It ain’t all roses. There is a ton of hard work that is just paying the rent.
It was discipline that got me onto the exercise bike the other day while fasted. BUT it was love that kept me on it longer than the planned 30 minutes; I was enjoying my podcast and I kept wanting to just go “a little further”.
MrKleen73
Legend
I would keep the big 3 in but far less volume on them when focusing in on hypertrophy. Get in 3-4 good sets of 5-10 on them then move on to adding volume to grow. That way you never lose efficiency at the movements but can drive hypertrophy with less fatiguing exercises so you can get more volume. Then when you go into a strength phase I would go longer than 3-4 weeks, give your body and CNS the time to adapt and get better at pushing heavier weights for lower reps so you can really get going and make more strength improvements. If you only give it 3-4 weeks you will just be getting good and ramped up to what your new level of muscle can actually move, then you need more time to progress from there while your CNS is efficient at strength training. In the end I think you would do better with a nice accumulation phase of volume lasting several weeks, then go into the other, rather than swapping out ever 4 weeks or so. Squeeze all the good progress you can out of each before switching up based on a set time period. This is going to be hard for me as well because as mentioned. I like to go balls to the walls, and often just burn myself or my body out before i should Then have unscheduled deloads, and more pain in that ass minor injuries. .
Dustin07
Legend
reading this made me think how it's sorta funny that a group of guys in a forum like this in many ways continue to recycle and reiterate the same information we have already learned in our pasts but often need to be reminded again of things that we already knew. that's a big reason why I love my log as well. "well I know I PR'd on this day, or I know I was 8% on this day, lets look at the log and see what my habits were back then".
long story short I appreciate your feedback lol. and I agree
sammpedd88
Well-known member
What did you eat when you broke your fast? I would have went crazy and loaded up at a Chinese buffet!
Hyde
Legend
700 calories, 60g protein + 9g collagen, kept it keto for the first meal to make work day easier:
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4oz Chicken breast, chicken sausages, cup of chicken bone broth, 28g walnuts, 1oz pure cranberry
Hyde
Legend
4/26/23
BW 221.4
Band Pullaparts, Tris, Lats
Bench
45x10,5,5
135,185x5
225x3
255,280,295,310x1
+reactive slanger
325,345,355x1
-gear
265 4x6
CGBP
230 4x6
Ate lots of carbs today & was looking forward to this session, but everything felt heavy and hard. Took a lot mentally to hit all my numbers today, but when you stop eating for nearly 5 days you can’t expect things to be perfect immediately! 14 work sets of bench was enough; called it a day.
BW 221.4
Band Pullaparts, Tris, Lats
Bench
45x10,5,5
135,185x5
225x3
255,280,295,310x1
+reactive slanger
325,345,355x1
-gear
265 4x6
CGBP
230 4x6
Ate lots of carbs today & was looking forward to this session, but everything felt heavy and hard. Took a lot mentally to hit all my numbers today, but when you stop eating for nearly 5 days you can’t expect things to be perfect immediately! 14 work sets of bench was enough; called it a day.
sammpedd88
Well-known member
I find it very interesting that your using keto at times. Some guys are so anti-keto but I think the way you’re using it intermittently, I guess you could say, is a smart way to go. I did keto for about 8 months a few years ago and I really liked it. My energy was through the roof and my cardio ability went through the roof also. It’s crazy how some diets work for some and don’t for others. You’ve definitely figured out what works for you!
Dustin07
Legend
I think the balance here is eating intentionally for the fuel you need in the given scenario. utilizing keto for fat burning pre/post fasting, but carbing up for lifting.
my wife literally just this morning said "but you hate keto diets" I said yes, for athletes in athletic moments. Utilizing keto going into or coming out of a fast is not the same as attempting to stay keto during peak athletic performance....
sammpedd88
Well-known member
Exactly! I don’t think keto is a sustainable diet long term for athletes but using it when it’s feasible for your lifting/athletic goals, then it’s a perfect addition.
Hyde
Legend
4/27/23
5 min walk
Suitcase Carries
One-legged Deadlift
BW Squat
Lying Leg Curl
98,118,138x15
Shoulder stretching
Squat
45,135,225,275,325x5
365x1
+belt
385,405,425x1
315x15
BB Rows
45,135,205,225,245x8
Unilateral Preacher Curl Machine
25x10
35 2x8
I could tell by how tired I felt today wasn’t the day to push squat hard, so instead of going up further I dropped 50kg off & repped out. It was extremely easy to make mind muscle connections with great proprioception, but I was struggling to get my nervous system to fire hard enough to lift anything heavy. Like someone turned the voltage down.
I really liked that Nautilus plate-loaded bicep machine. It let me activate the top part of my left bicep that I really struggle with since the bone spurs killed my flexion.
5 min walk
Suitcase Carries
One-legged Deadlift
BW Squat
Lying Leg Curl
98,118,138x15
Shoulder stretching
Squat
45,135,225,275,325x5
365x1
+belt
385,405,425x1
315x15
BB Rows
45,135,205,225,245x8
Unilateral Preacher Curl Machine
25x10
35 2x8
I could tell by how tired I felt today wasn’t the day to push squat hard, so instead of going up further I dropped 50kg off & repped out. It was extremely easy to make mind muscle connections with great proprioception, but I was struggling to get my nervous system to fire hard enough to lift anything heavy. Like someone turned the voltage down.
I really liked that Nautilus plate-loaded bicep machine. It let me activate the top part of my left bicep that I really struggle with since the bone spurs killed my flexion.
Hyde
Legend
I do 1-2oz nearly every day.
And when fasting I was doing at least 1 teaspoon total of iodized salt for the iodine then, before switching to sea salt in the evening so I could sleep a bit easier.
gphagan1
Legend
I know you said you was tired, but man throwing up 245 lbs barbell rows for 8 at the end of your workout, and that on top of squats just made me tired thinking about it.
Hyde
Legend
1oz of a pure cranberry is totally sufficient to prevent an iodine deficiency, without needing to ever use any iodized salt. Sometimes I just get a little too heavy on the pour! It is a nice tart shot to wake you up
Too much iodine can inhibit the thyroid, so you only want to try to prevent a deficiency, not overdo it.
Hyde
Legend
4/28/23
BW 226.8
Widegrip Bench
45x20
135x10
185x6
225 6x6
ss w/ DB Rear Raises
20 5x15
Incline Bench
135x10
185x6
210x5
230x3 -> drop -> 135x15
ss w/ DB Laterals
20 5x15
EZBar Rolling Tri Extension
107 4x12
alt w/ Shrugs
225x15
275x12
+straps
325x6
Shoulders, pecs & tris in the garage!
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BW 226.8
Widegrip Bench
45x20
135x10
185x6
225 6x6
ss w/ DB Rear Raises
20 5x15
Incline Bench
135x10
185x6
210x5
230x3 -> drop -> 135x15
ss w/ DB Laterals
20 5x15
EZBar Rolling Tri Extension
107 4x12
alt w/ Shrugs
225x15
275x12
+straps
325x6
Shoulders, pecs & tris in the garage!
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