Training log revamp ROUND 3 lol
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sammpedd88
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Just curious if you get back pumps like you have now with Superdrol. I’ve never had the back pumps but I had pumps in my shins and they hurt like a mother Fucker!
sammpedd88
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I’m gonna buy one of those and wear it outside my shorts in the gym just for the hell of it
Smont
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Everything is capable of causing them I think. It's hard to answer this question because I always get the back pumps, even when I'm taking nothing. So epistane amplified it. I remember thinking back in October the winni was doing it.
Last time I took SD I was all out dirty bulking to get up to 220 with a 6 week time limit so I was fat and eating **** and not doing cardio. So it could be SD or it could have ben high BP water retention and a loss of mobility and flexibility.
Gonna say unclear.
But seeing how SD loves carbs and fills you up it's very likely.
sammpedd88
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Hahahaha! I got ya. It’s been a long time since I’ve taken SD. My buddy got the back pumps and he had a previous back injury also.
Smont
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I just had the most satisfying moment lol.
My 92 year old (today) Grandmother came over,. She comes over every thursday but we just ordered a pizza for her and some cake for her birthday cause that's what she wanted. She's about 25-50% there still mentally. But she does have her moments where she seems like she's 100% there, it comes and goes.
I went downstairs to do the cake for her and she grabs my arm and says man your getting big lol
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My 92 year old (today) Grandmother came over,. She comes over every thursday but we just ordered a pizza for her and some cake for her birthday cause that's what she wanted. She's about 25-50% there still mentally. But she does have her moments where she seems like she's 100% there, it comes and goes.
I went downstairs to do the cake for her and she grabs my arm and says man your getting big lol
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sammpedd88
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That’s awesome. Enjoy her while she’s still around! Happy bday to her
Mikereyn513
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That's awesome bro..the last time I saw mine was right after that disgusting deca dbol cycle and when I saw her she was like "Linda (my mom) his arms are huge" my mom just rolled her eyes ( she knew what was up lol)
Dustin07
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Alzheimer's? My grandma didn't know if she and I were related or if I was her boyfriend in the end, she was incredibly sweet and pretty dang cute even though she wasn't sure who I was the last 6-12 months or so.
Hyde
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Smont
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Early stages of Alzheimer's or dementia. Or just being 92 lol
MrKleen73
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Yeah, I bet that was awesome you just have to love it. The last time i saw my Grandfather he had Alzheimer's and I was so worried he wouldn't know who I was. Lucky for me he was having a good day and knew who I was immediately. he then introduced himself to my X wife and said I am Chuck probert and I am 38 years old. My heart just sank for a second then he comes back with "Gotcha! You'll have to superimpose that, I am 83 young lady!" We all laughed so hard. The funny thing was he was 85 not 83 but we were so happy to see his sense of humor intact and him still be sharp as a whip even in his decline. My Mom and Aunt told me we were so lucky because he was only with it about 20% of the time. It meant the world to me and was a great last memory of him.
Mikereyn513
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Damn @Smont did you pm me low back pumps or something? I've never had those before and after talking about them yesterday and then doing hamstrings last night my lower back has been on perma pump all morning here at work..I'm standing over the line where I work at in the warehouse and I've been having to hold on to the rail. It's brutal
Smont
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I had it all day at work today. I took a extra 3gm taurine and 400mg magnesium before work too.
I'm officially writing off taurine and magnesium for myself, they just don't help me at any dose.
In the past 24 hours I've actually taken 1200mg of magnesium and 8gm taurine and it's done nothing. I wish it worked for me but it doesn't at all.
IL keep Supplementing 3g taurine and 400mg magnesium as part of my daily supps anyhow but I need to find some other options for these pumps. I'm starting to wonder if I aggravated a old injury without knowing.
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Regardless, IL work around it. There's always something and I'm not gonna let this be a excuse
Smont
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I feel lucky, she always seems to remember me and not my brother or sister.
She had another witty moment before the night ended. And forgive me if I already mentioned this and i'm repeating the story again because I have a habit of doing that.
My dad was being obnoxious and my mom leaned over to my grandmother and says " He's getting ready to leave, do you think I should run him over with the car" And my grandmother responds back with, it depends on how good the life insurance policy is
Mikereyn513
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All that magnesium didn't keep you on the toilet all day? That is one thing that wrecks ne at high enough doses. Muscletechs first pre-workout ever was loaded with magnesium and I couldn't get halfway through my shaker cup before I was trying to run to the bathroom with my b hole puckered
Smont
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Happy birthday to me. For self punishment for getting old I'm off to the gym.
Bench 315x6
Squat 315x20
Some pump work for arms and shoulders and IL get back to my scheduled p-p-l on Tuesday.
Today I pinned 150 test and 450 eq. Will add 50mg npp M-W--F
I also took 45mg of epistane this morning (normally i take 30) and today is my last day of epistane
216.6lbs
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Bench 315x6
Squat 315x20
Some pump work for arms and shoulders and IL get back to my scheduled p-p-l on Tuesday.
Today I pinned 150 test and 450 eq. Will add 50mg npp M-W--F
I also took 45mg of epistane this morning (normally i take 30) and today is my last day of epistane
216.6lbs
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Smont
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Done.
Flat bench 315×7
Parallel Squat 315x20
.I could have physically squeezed out a couple more reps on squats but mentally I was shot. I tried maxing out on shoulder presses afterwards and I worked up to 225 for 6. I couldn't get myself to push any heavier. Knocked out a couple sets of curls and skull crushers and went home. Or I should say i'm on my way home.
Flat bench 315×7
Parallel Squat 315x20
.I could have physically squeezed out a couple more reps on squats but mentally I was shot. I tried maxing out on shoulder presses afterwards and I worked up to 225 for 6. I couldn't get myself to push any heavier. Knocked out a couple sets of curls and skull crushers and went home. Or I should say i'm on my way home.
akboom87
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Happy birthday man!!
Mikereyn513
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Happy birthday my bro!! Sooner or later were going to pass each other on the scale. I weighed in at 222.5 this morning
Smont
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Thanks, hopefully I pass you before I get fat tho lol. So far so good, no noticeable gains in bodyfat. I think I forced myself to keep my weight down for so long that it's finally like yaaaaa let's grow!
Smont
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I'm gonna train legs Thurs with my boy and hopefully he can give me pointers. My legs are too strong to be the size they are, it doesn't make sense to me. Like I don't have crazy strength but I know plenty of guys half my strength with way better legs. I don't have that connection and I also have a really hard time getting a pump in my quads or hams.
Mikereyn513
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That's exactly what's going on you're body is like finally!! Nutrients...let's grow!!!
Mikereyn513
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Im not gonna lie to you bro...I don't think I could squat 3 plates right now ( don't tell @Hyde ) But i can get my quads and hams so pumped it's hard to drive home sometimes...develop thar connection and with your natural strength your legs will go from a weakness to a strength
Dustin07
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That's crazy.
I've always had larger legs for my frame but my best squat is only like 345 for a double or triple. Ever.
I sorta think it's half genetics and half because during puberty it was BMX racing, football, wrestling, etc and cyclists have huge freaking legs. That's like four years of my puberty age that was many hours every single day working legs
I've always had larger legs for my frame but my best squat is only like 345 for a double or triple. Ever.
I sorta think it's half genetics and half because during puberty it was BMX racing, football, wrestling, etc and cyclists have huge freaking legs. That's like four years of my puberty age that was many hours every single day working legs
Smont
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When I was 100% natty my quads, calves and traps looked overdeveloped. When I ran .y first couple cycles everything caught up and was pretty balanced. After the injuries and time off the whole legs shrunk to damn near nothing, my left leg had no muscle left at all pretty much. Now my strength is back 100%, my calves almost 100%, but my upper leg development is about where it was when natural, maybe slightly better. I still have that explosive strength but I wonder sometimes if I did some damage that can't be fixed
Dustin07
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You'd probably make a really great case study for someone like the stronger by science guys or Huberman. I mean size vs strength is like THE age old debate right?
Hyde
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Smont that’s a badass birthday gym session - happy birthday bro!!!
It doesn’t matter what you lift if size is the price - what matters is you must find a means of progression to keep them growing. So at the technique and tension you are putting on them now, adding weight or total volume or time under tension or frequency.
It doesn’t matter what you lift if size is the price - what matters is you must find a means of progression to keep them growing. So at the technique and tension you are putting on them now, adding weight or total volume or time under tension or frequency.
Segansational
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Smont
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No lol. Luckily no issues
Smont
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Maybe, I do realize that size and strength go hand in hand to a degree. But sometimes I feel that because I'm good at explosive movements
(bare with me, tell me if this makes sense)
Because I'm good at explosive movements I recruit a lot of muscles to perform the job. But if I'm squatting with my core, lower back, glutes, hams, quads and calves.... Basically I'm doing a lower body exercise. No specific muscle is getting a lot of work and every muscle is getting a little work. So I might be better off doing lots of isolation stuff for legs till I can learn to just engage the muscle that is supposed to do the work.
Dustin07
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sometimes it's like throwing darts until you find the thing that works. Layne talked about how hard it was to get his arms to grow and that the amount of volume, variation, and work to failure that he had to do isn't something he'd ever recommend to someone else unless they had absolutely exhausted all other options but it was the only thing he could do to help put on size IIRC. I've had a similar experience there. My legs might grow or atrophy more in a year than my arms will in my entire life lol.
Smont
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Years ago I had my best leg gains during a full body 3x week program.
Squats were just 1 warm up set of 10 and 3 working sets of 6 adding 5lbs each work out. I would occasionally add a leg press or a deadlift.
I was doing a lot of power cleans that year and I was wrestling doing a tournament almost every weekend and having regular matches during the week.
100% natty, only supplements were creatine, n2large weight gainer and sometimes zma and glutamine.
To make it even worse lol, 90% of my diet was peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and whole milk.
I would wake up, eat cereal and fill a gallon jug with water and creatine.
Lift and then have a n2large scoop mixed with red powerade.
During the school day I would eat 4 or 5 PBJ with 4 or 5 cartons of milk.
Salami grinder and a banana for lunch and eat whoever didn't finish there lunch lol.
After wrestling practice I went to work and would eat chicken or steak with pasta or potatoes for dinner almost every night.
I wish I was a teenager again lol
Mikereyn513
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I would definitely try this approach out. Nick walker does a very similar approach. He talks about it in one of his Arnold prep videos from this year.
Hyde
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This is how I am. My strength work on squats, 5s and such, does very little to add any leg size. Too many other muscles involved, and minimal quads. But Legpress volume really does stack my quads up, even with a power/sumo foot placement high and wide.
Conventional deadlifting probably builds my quads more than how I squat even, honestly.
Dustin07
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OK I don't remember the entire story perfectly so I could be screwing up the athlete, routine, supplements, etc but the moral of the story is unchanged.
IIRC Rich Piana (???) wanted to see if he could gain like an inch on his arms in a 24hr session or something like that.
SO IIRC, he put in like an 8hour session or longer? it was like sets to failure bicep + tricep pounding protein and aminos every 30 minutes, lift again, drink again, lift again, drink again.
I wish I could remember the exact story but in the end he did end up putting on like an inch and while most of it disappeared in a day some stayed.
IIRC Rich Piana (???) wanted to see if he could gain like an inch on his arms in a 24hr session or something like that.
SO IIRC, he put in like an 8hour session or longer? it was like sets to failure bicep + tricep pounding protein and aminos every 30 minutes, lift again, drink again, lift again, drink again.
I wish I could remember the exact story but in the end he did end up putting on like an inch and while most of it disappeared in a day some stayed.
MrKleen73
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Yeah I am pretty sure that was Rich Piana and there would definitely be a Cell Swelling effect and at a minimum some residual inflammation in the area. Not to sure there would be any measurable difference a week out fully recovered though. More of a gimmick for views in my mind.
Dustin07
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today after squats told myself I was going to go berzerk on arms with whatever time I had left. light weight, no injury risk just rep out for the pump and I swear it's the largest my arms have ever been lol. I seriously want to set aside a saturday for the Rich Piana Arms Party
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Dustin07
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Smont
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Little check-in.
So Sunday I starred the new stuff.
150 test e
450 eq
30 npp
I also took 30 npp yesterday
Starting with 30mg 4x week on the npp
Anyway, yesterday afternoon I started feeling off. Like I'm high or like when you take too much cold medicine and your kinda foggy headed. Got hot, bp spiked to 140's/85 - 90
Still feeling shitty today but bp dropped back down to 135/81 and seems to be trending down. Took my temp today and I'm 99.6 so maybe a slight fever.
Idk it's weird. Whatever it was seems to finally be wearing off but it's not something I've experienced before. I know some ppl say they get "test flu" or whatever when they start a cycle but I don't get that, never have. So probably just a coincidence that it happened the day after pinning. IL get back to work tomorrow.
217.0
So Sunday I starred the new stuff.
150 test e
450 eq
30 npp
I also took 30 npp yesterday
Starting with 30mg 4x week on the npp
Anyway, yesterday afternoon I started feeling off. Like I'm high or like when you take too much cold medicine and your kinda foggy headed. Got hot, bp spiked to 140's/85 - 90
Still feeling shitty today but bp dropped back down to 135/81 and seems to be trending down. Took my temp today and I'm 99.6 so maybe a slight fever.
Idk it's weird. Whatever it was seems to finally be wearing off but it's not something I've experienced before. I know some ppl say they get "test flu" or whatever when they start a cycle but I don't get that, never have. So probably just a coincidence that it happened the day after pinning. IL get back to work tomorrow.
217.0
Smont
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Oh, had to buy new jeans! I noticed that a few of the straight leg jeans I own are getting tight in the thighs and ass/crotch so I'm guessing my legs are growing, waist is still 34. I'd like to hit 225 before the 34's get tight on the waist.
I also gave all of my large t-shirts and some of my xl t-shirts to my son. Only xl and 2xl now so that's cool lol. Not complaining there.
I also gave all of my large t-shirts and some of my xl t-shirts to my son. Only xl and 2xl now so that's cool lol. Not complaining there.