The New Product Release Thread

[Hyde]

Good ole USPLabs. They did some cool stuff, but they also did a lot of BS!

I don’t know if it’s just me, but I seem to be tolerating yohimbine less and less as I get older. In my early twenties, I never seemed to have any issue besides feeling a little “off”. Now that I’m practically elderly (30) I can’t handle it in any amount it seems.

1 cap of SNS Alpha Y has been great. I’m going to go pop one now with my black coffee, on that thought…I like it the mornings I fast (no training).

 

[Jeremyk1]

Acknowledging that you're 30 was your first mistake, I stopped acknowledging birthdays at 28 and plan to stay in my prime for decades. Or at least long enough for Steve to release SNS Fountain Of Youth.

I seek The Holy Grail XT!

 

[Resolve10]

I seek The Holy Grail XT!

You guys don’t realize they already offer that? SNS Agmatine or Glycophase.

Poor joke I’m sorry.

MAN called Blueprint (r-ala + agmatine) the holy grail it was in all their marketing info. Sure I could even dig up the threads on here.

 

[sns8778]

Every single time I see a new 'stimulant extract' hit the market, I worry about the same. Luckily the large contract manufacturers have been getting better at talking to their brokers about whether extract actually means extract or means *wink wink* "extract"

The FDA has also made it very clear that companies are expected to truthfully disclose whether something is an herbal form or synthetic version of it on their label and if they don't declare it correctly, they are breaking the law.

This may be irritating for some of the companies that try to hide things but overall its a great thing for consumer awareness, safety, and proper decision making.

 

[sns8778]

Acknowledging that you're 30 was your first mistake, I stopped acknowledging birthdays at 28 and plan to stay in my prime for decades. Or at least long enough for Steve to release SNS Fountain Of Youth.

I've been considering doing an anti-aging/longevity brand to launch Q1 of next year haha.

But I thought that after a certain age we were supposed to start counting backwards? Am I doing that wrong? haha

 

[SSJ4GOD]

I've been considering doing an anti-aging/longevity brand to launch Q1 of next year haha.

But I thought that after a certain age we were supposed to start counting backwards? Am I doing that wrong? haha

Throw some methelyne blue in them caps! Joking because legal reasons lol but an anti aging line would be fantastic! Perhaps a high doses natural senolytic blend

 

[sns8778]

Throw some methelyne blue in them caps! Joking because legal reasons lol but an anti aging line would be fantastic! Perhaps a high doses natural senolytic blend

I've thought about a lot of different ideas - single ingredient top quality unique ingredients, a high dosed senolytic formula, a great mitochondria support formula, a telomere support formula, and possibly even a very premium high end formula that contains pretty much an all star list of anti-aging/longevity ingredients (which of course would be expensive, but offering it as a great value for people that are interested in it).

I'm thinking on making a thread on it; if you want to throw out some ideas, you (or anyone) can go to my profile and follow me on there and see when I get the thread made for it. I'll try to do it in the next couple days.

 

[SSJ4GOD]

I've thought about a lot of different ideas - single ingredient top quality unique ingredients, a high dosed senolytic formula, a great mitochondria support formula, a telomere support formula, and possibly even a very premium high end formula that contains pretty much an all star list of anti-aging/longevity ingredients (which of course would be expensive, but offering it as a great value for people that are interested in it).

I'm thinking on making a thread on it; if you want to throw out some ideas, you (or anyone) can go to my profile and follow me on there and see when I get the thread made for it. I'll try to do it in the next couple days.

Will do!

 

[De__eB]

The FDA has also made it very clear that companies are expected to truthfully disclose whether something is an herbal form or synthetic version of it on their label and if they don't declare it correctly, they are breaking the law.

This may be irritating for some of the companies that try to hide things but overall its a great thing for consumer awareness, safety, and proper decision making.

They've certainly made that clear but not really enforced it. Their ability to investigate and prove the negative is difficult.

In a multi-ingredient product full of other plant extracts, the expense of *proving* that an ingredient is synthetic and not a highly concentrated extract is never going to happen unless CFSAN/CAERS data shows an anomalous amount of adverse events surrounding a product. And by then it's too late.

So companies will continue doing it, and I get it. I'm not going to go on crusade over label technicalities any more because I'm too busy for that crap. I'd certainly hope we'd all play by the best safe rules we can, even if that skirts some of the FDAs wishes. But I'd at a minimum plead for the companies that do that to be SURE they know what they're getting.

Quantifying raw stimulant 'extracts' and knowing what you put in a product is not *that* expensive on the front end compared to damage control and FDA investigations later. Checking brokers, and having honest conversation with them about their suppliers so you know what to expect in one of the most dangerous categories in the industry is not a high bar.

 

[De__eB]

I've been considering doing an anti-aging/longevity brand to launch Q1 of next year haha.

But I thought that after a certain age we were supposed to start counting backwards? Am I doing that wrong? haha

There's a broad category of general health/functional health/longevity measures that rich people can afford but normal people can't and it's contributing to a rapidly increasing wealth lifespan gap.

There's certainly room for a much better LEF out there.

 

[Rocket3015]

Acknowledging that you're 30 was your first mistake, I stopped acknowledging birthdays at 28 and plan to stay in my prime for decades. Or at least long enough for Steve to release SNS Fountain Of Youth.

I’m 64 years old and proud of it !!

 

[N2ofusion]

I'm not going to comment directly on their product, but I'll say that with legit Alpha Yohimbine I could not imagine going that high of a dose or combining other stims with it.

And you're absolutely correct that there are a lot of products that claim to have Alpha Yohimbine in them that turn out to actually be a mix of Alpha Y and regular Yohimbine or just Yohimbine.

That's why there are so many people that think or assume that they can't take Alpha Yohimbine but actually could if they were getting legit Alpha Yohimbine. There are so many reports and so much feedback on here of people that thought they couldn't use Alpha Yohimbine until they tried our Alpha Yohimbine capsules and found out that they could.

Yeah. It’s taken me a lot of trial and error to figure out the good brands of Y or AY. Wish labels were accurate

In general some of my worst experiences were more libido oriented products standardized to 2% Yohimbine Alkaloids (from 70 mg yohimbe). I looked at the dose and at one cap, a supposed 0.7mg Yohimbine I was slammed with all the side effects- shakes, heart rate, uncomfortable to workout, and anxiety, that itself can pass but I’m always anxious that the racing HR will send me to the hospital….

Anyway, I could never understand why that would wreck me but 3.5 mg of Primaforce Y-HCl is smooth and trouble free. I also have SNS AY but haven’t ran it recently

 

[josun]

Good ole USPLabs. They did some cool stuff, but they also did a lot of BS!

I don’t know if it’s just me, but I seem to be tolerating yohimbine less and less as I get older. In my early twenties, I never seemed to have any issue besides feeling a little “off”. Now that I’m practically elderly (30) I can’t handle it in any amount it seems.

Same!

 

[Darkhorse192]

In 2 decades I have never seen anyone have more / better or even equal success with Alpha yohimbine vs HCL for going from lean to ultra lean / shredded. Perhaps less sides / or reaction to the Alpha-Y sure, but never equal or better mobilization of fatty acids from stubborn areas when appropriately used in a completely fasted state and already considerably lean / shredded. Crucify me if you will, it is just what I have observed.

 

[sns8778]

In 2 decades I have never seen anyone have more / better or even equal success with Alpha yohimbine vs HCL for going from lean to ultra lean / shredded. Perhaps less sides / or reaction to the Alpha-Y sure, but never equal or better mobilization of fatty acids from stubborn areas when appropriately used in a completely fasted state and already considerably lean / shredded. Crucify me if you will, it is just what I have observed.

I think that you are looking at this differently than most of the people posting about it in the ongoing discussion.

As a company, we feel that both regular Yohimbine HCL and Alpha Yohimbine are great products; that's why we offer both:

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I don't think that its necessarily a matter of arguing over which one is better, I think its a matter of each individual person finding out which one is better for them personally.

For the person that can take both - try them and see which one works best for you as an individual, stack them, do whatever you'd like based on your own individual results and tolerance.

For the person that cannot take Yohimbine HCL, it's not an issue of whether its better or not better than Alpha Yohimbine; since they can't take regular Yohimbine HCL, that's completely irrelevant; as they're looking at it as they can take Alpha Yohimbine whereas they cannot/will not take Yohimbine HCL. I fall into this category myself - regular Yohimbine HCL makes me feel terrible and there is zero chance of me using it ever under any circumstance.

As far as you saying that in 2 decades that you haven't seen anyone have the results off Alpha Yohimbine that you have off Yohimbine HCL, real Alpha Yohimbine hasn't been available for a decade yet, no less 2 decades. I'm not saying that it is or isn't as good, but I am saying that there's no way to compare the two on that level bc it hasn't been around that long.

Also, an important point to note is that 99% of people that use Yohimbine HCL are using 2.5 to 5 mg. per day based on the way that companies are required to label the products; they aren't doing the extreme AM style dosing on it to begin with. So for average consumer, its a more fair comparison to compare 2.5 to 5 mg. of Yohimbine HCL to 1.5 to 3 mg. Alpha Yohimbine.

It's also important to note that to the average consumer, they enjoy the energy benefit from Alpha Yohimbine.

I hope all that makes sense.

For me personally, Yohimbine HCL makes me feel terrible, like I'm getting the flu, whereas our Alpha Yohimbine caps give me a great energy boost even at 1.5 mg.

 

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[sns8778]

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[shockrock3]

Chaos and Pain isn't messing around with their new Red Sky Powder!!

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Fk'ers legit tryin to kill people with this blend lol

 

[Mike Arnold]

Fk'ers tryin to kill people legit with this blend lol

Could you imagine a stim-naïve person taking a full serving of this stuff right out of the gate? What about 120 pound female? I That probably wouldn't turn out to well. I am completely fine with people making super strong stimulant-based products like this, as long as the label contains an advisory alerting people to the fact that a full serving is extremely powerful and recommending that people begin with 1/4 to no more than 1/2 of the full dosage.

 

[Jeremyk1]

Could you imagine a stim-naïve person taking a full serving of this stuff right out of the gate? What about 120 pound female? I That probably wouldn't turn out to well. I am completely fine with people making super strong stimulant-based products like this, as long as the label contains an advisory alerting people to the fact that a full serving is extremely powerful and recommending that people begin with 1/4 to no more than 1/2 of the full dosage.

I don’t know, these days a warning is more like a selling point.

 

[SSJ4GOD]

I don’t know, these days a warning is more like a selling point.

Always kinda has been

 

[sns8778]

My post isn't meant to address any specific product or company, but I'll say that irresponsibility with stimulant ingredients and dosages is a short sighted cash grab by companies trying to make as much as possible and cash out and that don't care about the longevity of this industry as a whole bc someone is going to wind up having serious health complications or die and the FDA is going to react drastically and disproportionately against the industry.

Products/companies doing this will be the reason that there's going to wind up being a list of ingredients that companies can sell and possibly a list of dosages that can't be exceeded dosage wise within the next 10 years if not sooner unless something changes and people stop supporting the nonsense. And customers that support it, however tempting it may be, when the time comes and they can't buy hardly anything in the way of supplement anymore need to not blame the FDA but look in the mirror and at the companies they support for causing it.

If someone thinks they need the caffeine equivalent of 3 high caffeine energy drinks + 7 or 8 other stims to work out, reality check is that they don't need that, they need a stim holiday to allow their body to reset and respond to reasonably sane dosages.

 

[scump]

I think you hit it on the head - marketability - in that the easiest times to get people to take things are pre, intra, and post so that's where companies are focusing because its the easiest and most profitable.

The reality of a daily use ergogenic is that people have become almost brainwashed to the idea that they don't have to take things daily to get the best results - its like they've lost what we used to consider the common sense approach of recovery being so important and the importance of taking things on off days/recovery days.

A great example of this - Citrulline Malate is a great ingredient for endurance and yes it does provide good pumps. People seem to have forgotten that it originally became so popular because it was so good for athletic performance and endurance and that the pumps were just a nice added benefit. Now days, people knock it and say Citrulline is better and maybe it is if you're just using it pre-workout for pumps, but that was never the reason that Citrulline Malate was popular to begin with originally. And key point - the benefits from Citrulline Malate for performance enhancement and endurance were based on taking it daily.

We will be making a daily use ergogenic product. It's been in the works for awhile and I held off on it because of the ingredient cost spike of many of the ingredients this year - Creatine went through the roof - everything from Creatine Mono to Magnesium Creatine Chelate, Citrulline and Citrulline Malate were over triple for awhile, etc. And this came into not wanting to launch the daily use ergogenic during that time because it would be introducing a product that would already at best be low margin and not a great seller (because its just not a good selling category of products - as evidenced by how many loved Ergonine but yet it didn't sell well enough for PES not to disco) and it would have been us having to do it during a time of insanely prices actives which would have led to a higher price than most would want to pay.

The daily use ergogenic should be out around years end or at least by the end of January if all goes well.

Hah i legit haven't been on AM for like 6-8 months but came on looking to see if someone had released something to ergonine. As i want an all in one ergo supp to make it easy to take on the daily. This answers my question unfortunately.

 

[sns8778]

Hah i legit haven't been on AM for like 6-8 months but came on looking to see if someone had released something to ergonine. As i want an all in one ergo supp to make it easy to take on the daily. This answers my question unfortunately.

My hope, but there are a lot of variables involved, is so release the daily use ergogenic in January but I can't make any promises bc there are so many factors involved - ingredient availability, ingredient pricing, flavor sampling (underway now), etc.

Good to see you post. If you don't come on AM anymore or want to, follow us on social media. I'm in the process of starting to be more active on there. It'll take me a few more days to get up to speed on it, but then I'll be on there more regularly.

 

[Stopstalking2]

My hope, but there are a lot of variables involved, is so release the daily use ergogenic in January but I can't make any promises bc there are so many factors involved - ingredient availability, ingredient pricing, flavor sampling (underway now), etc.

Good to see you post. If you don't come on AM anymore or want to, follow us on social media. I'm in the process of starting to be more active on there. It'll take me a few more days to get up to speed on it, but then I'll be on there more regularly.

Need any help on those samples ?

 

[De__eB]

Putting out blends like that is just silly and risky to the industry. Put in a smaller scoop. Make it multiple scoops to a full serving. Have prominent warnings. At least pretend to make an effort to get people to taper on safely.

Because if some stim naive kid gets hurt I can all but guarantee a negligence lawsuit would succeed.

And no "18+ only" do not in any way shape or form protect you. See: all the RC companies the feds have hauled to court. See: tobacco companies being penalized for underage use of tobacco.

They'll see if you've ever marketed anywhere that kids are demographically present. They'll argue successfully that you should've known your product was likely to fall into kids hands. And there's the ballgame.

Just protect yourself, and take simple steps to protect the industry we all love.

Like others said big over the top warnings are practically a selling point to the hardcore people and is also at least an attempt to dissuade kids.

 

[3clipseGT]

On the topic of the stims, the stuff doesn’t even FEEL good. None of the stuff out CURRENTLY holds a candle to what used to be available. I don’t even understand why people dabble in it when you’re anxious and shaking and have cold sweats. It’s just gross.

 

[Rocket3015]

cash grab by companies

There are too many of these !!

 

[sns8778]

On the topic of the stims, the stuff doesn’t even FEEL good. None of the stuff out CURRENTLY holds a candle to what used to be available. I don’t even understand why people dabble in it when you’re anxious and shaking and have cold sweats. It’s just gross.

I think its very possible to do reasonable and sane combinations that people will like and enjoy but the key is the right ingredients at the right dosages, but some of the better ingredients are on the more expensive side so instead of doing it or trying to do it the right way, a lot of companies just throw in massive dosages of the cheaper ingredients and a lot of people fall for it bc they see the dosages so high - which as you said, more is not always better with stims.

We have a lot of people that really love our Thermagize XT product. It doesn't get talked about here on AM a whole lot, but its a great seller for us and people love it bc its a convenient one capsule dose product and the dosages are great but without being overkill for most people. (Note: I'm talking about the current version; the original was too strong for some people).

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[BillD]

I think its very possible to do reasonable and sane combinations that people will like and enjoy but the key is the right ingredients at the right dosages, but some of the better ingredients are on the more expensive side so instead of doing it or trying to do it the right way, a lot of companies just throw in massive dosages of the cheaper ingredients and a lot of people fall for it bc they see the dosages so high - which as you said, more is not always better with stims.

We have a lot of people that really love our Thermagize XT product. It doesn't get talked about here on AM a whole lot, but its a great seller for us and people love it bc its a convenient one capsule dose product and the dosages are great but without being overkill for most people. (Note: I'm talking about the current version; the original was too strong for some people).

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If it didn’t have Alpha Y I would buy it consistently. Can’t stand the stuff.

 

[sns8778]

If it didn’t have Alpha Y I would buy it consistently. Can’t stand the stuff.

I'm not sure if you've followed the discussion about Alpha Yohimbine vs. Yohimbine the last couple pages, which also included how a lot of companies don't use actual Alpha Yohimbine, but if you haven't, you should go back about 3 pages in this thread and read over it.

I can't take regular Yohimbine myself and used to think that I couldn't take Alpha Yohimbine because of trying a couple products that supposedly had it in there. Then when I found out what the issue really was, many companies either accidentally or on purpose using regular Yohimbine or a Yohimbine/Alpha Yohimbine mix instead of Alpha Yohimbine, we introduced our Alpha Yohimbine caps and go above and beyond in terms of testing to make sure that it is legit Alpha Yohimbine with no regular Yohimbine content to it and feedback has been great on it for years. And that is the same Alpha Yohimbine source we use in Thermagize XT.

There are quite a few people that don't like or can't take regular Yohimbine.

There are quite a few that think that they can't take or don't like Alpha Yohimbine based off previous experiences, but many of these cases are with products that didn't contain legit Alpha Yohimbine.

There are a few, but very few, people that can't take or don't like legit Alpha Yohimbine at a reasonable dosage.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

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Surprised the manufacturer approved this label and although the supplier probably wrote pomegranate extract on the raws but fact is Urolithin B isn’t present in Pomegranate, its produced as a metabolite in the body.

 

[BillD]

I'm not sure if you've followed the discussion about Alpha Yohimbine vs. Yohimbine the last couple pages, which also included how a lot of companies don't use actual Alpha Yohimbine, but if you haven't, you should go back about 3 pages in this thread and read over it.

I can't take regular Yohimbine myself and used to think that I couldn't take Alpha Yohimbine because of trying a couple products that supposedly had it in there. Then when I found out what the issue really was, many companies either accidentally or on purpose using regular Yohimbine or a Yohimbine/Alpha Yohimbine mix instead of Alpha Yohimbine, we introduced our Alpha Yohimbine caps and go above and beyond in terms of testing to make sure that it is legit Alpha Yohimbine with no regular Yohimbine content to it and feedback has been great on it for years. And that is the same Alpha Yohimbine source we use in Thermagize XT.

There are quite a few people that don't like or can't take regular Yohimbine.

There are quite a few that think that they can't take or don't like Alpha Yohimbine based off previous experiences, but many of these cases are with products that didn't contain legit Alpha Yohimbine.

There are a few, but very few, people that can't take or don't like legit Alpha Yohimbine at a reasonable dosage.

You’ve actually sent me some before…it’s a no go for me.

 

[sns8778]

Surprised the manufacturer approved this label and although the supplier probably wrote pomegranate extract on the raws but fact is Urolithin B isn’t present in Pomegranate, its produced as a metabolite in the body.

Not sure why you would post this or what you're trying to imply, but we label all of our products in accordance with FDA labeling guidelines.

I can't speak for the company that you used to work for nor do I want to, as the way they did or didn't do things is none of my business and also because I don't like to speak badly about other companies. But I will point out that for many years, they also identified the Urolithin B in their product(s) as being from Pomegranate as well.

On our end, we are an FDA registered company that follows all GMP guidelines and do receive FDA inspections and we use only FDA registered GMP compliant contract manufacturing facilities.

By labeling guidelines, if an ingredient is derived from an herbal or natural source &/or if the starter material for a compound is derived from an herbal or a natural source, the company is supposed to identify it on the label. That is the case with completely natural ingredients and derivatives and also with semi-synthetic ingredients that the starter material is derived from a natural source.

In the body, Urolithin B is produced naturally by bacteria in the gut from ingested ellagitannins and ellagic acid, which are commonly found in several foods including pomegranate.

^^^ For obvious reasons, a company can't sell an ingredient that has already been thru the human gut so therefore they have to look for an alternative source of that ingredient.

Very simply, in terms of starter materials - Urolithin B is a constituent of Ellagic Acid - Ellagic Acid is found in Pomegranates.

The premise of Urolithin-B XT is to provide a top quality Urolithin B single ingredient product to people that would like to try it at a cost effective price.

The active ingredient is Urolithin B and what a particular supplier derives it from or uses as the starter material is their choice and we simply label it accordingly to FDA labeling guidelines. Whether the raw material manufacturer uses Pomegranates, Raspberries, Blueberries, etc. as the starter material is up to them. The goal of the product is to provide a top quality Urolithin B product to consumers at the most cost effective price possible.

 

[sns8778]

You’ve actually sent me some before…it’s a no go for me.

I thought I had but couldn't remember. Everyone is different and sometimes unfortunately in an effort to make a product that appeals to the largest group of consumers, it will contain something that not everyone may like. We do our best to make everyone happy but sometimes it just isn't possible.

In the case of Alpha Yohimbine, that's why we don't use it in some things. A couple examples:
- Thermagize XT has it in there but Muscle Addiction ECA Stack and CEL Lipo Elite do not.
- Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore has it in there but SNS VasoForce Rush does not.

I'm working on a high stim option for CEL right now and whether to include it or not is one of the big choices I have to make.

 

[sns8778]

Need any help on those samples ?

Ha. If I got more than a couple of each flavor, I'd be glad to send you some. But normally for flavor samples, we only get 3 or 4 samples per flavor.

 

[N2ofusion]

I thought I had but couldn't remember. Everyone is different and sometimes unfortunately in an effort to make a product that appeals to the largest group of consumers, it will contain something that not everyone may like. We do our best to make everyone happy but sometimes it just isn't possible.

In the case of Alpha Yohimbine, that's why we don't use it in some things. A couple examples:
- Thermagize XT has it in there but Muscle Addiction ECA Stack and CEL Lipo Elite do not.
- Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore has it in there but SNS VasoForce Rush does not.

I'm working on a high stim option for CEL right now and whether to include it or not is one of the big choices I have to make.

Yeah that is a tough call. I love Y and AY but not every day (been trying to limit it to 2x/week, down from 3x). At the same time, most of the Pre’s that really truly consistently work have it. And it really is hard to build a tolerance too. I swear in the ~7 years I’ve been into workout supplements my caffeine tolerance went predictably way up but my tolerance for Y has stayed virtually unchanged

 

[sns8778]

Yeah that is a tough call. I love Y and AY but not every day (been trying to limit it to 2x/week, down from 3x). At the same time, most of the Pre’s that really truly consistently work have it. And it really is hard to build a tolerance too. I swear in the ~7 years I’ve been into workout supplements my caffeine tolerance went predictably way up but my tolerance for Y has stayed virtually unchanged

You're exactly right on that - that is a very unique aspect of real Alpha Yohimbine is that tolerance doesn't seem to develop to it the way it does some things. I'm leaning towards using Alpha Yohimbine in this particular upcoming CEL product bc the purpose of it is to be a high stimulant pre-workout and by then we will also have Super Swole back in stock so that will be a stimulant free option; and we've also been considering doing a super loaded premium pre-workout that I would use lower stims and no Alpha Yohimbine in.

Note: My definition of high stim is something that I consider to be high stim but responsibly so - my goal with the product is to give people a good level of clean sustained energy, not to make them feel cracked out and like a nervous wreck and crash from it.

 

[Rocket3015]

You're exactly right on that - that is a very unique aspect of real Alpha Yohimbine is that tolerance doesn't seem to develop to it the way it does some things. I'm leaning towards using Alpha Yohimbine in this particular upcoming CEL product bc the purpose of it is to be a high stimulant pre-workout and by then we will also have Super Swole back in stock so that will be a stimulant free option; and we've also been considering doing a super loaded premium pre-workout that I would use lower stims and no Alpha Yohimbine in.

Note: My definition of high stim is something that I consider to be high stim but responsibly so - my goal with the product is to give people a good level of clean sustained energy, not to make them feel cracked out and like a nervous wreck and crash from it.

I like this way of thinking !!

 

[LeanEngineer]

Note: My definition of high stim is something that I consider to be high stim but responsibly so - my goal with the product is to give people a good level of clean sustained energy, not to make them feel cracked out and like a nervous wreck and crash from it.

This is my definition as well. I don’t want to feel cracked out I just need a little boost for my workouts on those sluggish days you know.

 

[ELROCK]

I thought I had but couldn't remember. Everyone is different and sometimes unfortunately in an effort to make a product that appeals to the largest group of consumers, it will contain something that not everyone may like. We do our best to make everyone happy but sometimes it just isn't possible.

In the case of Alpha Yohimbine, that's why we don't use it in some things. A couple examples:
- Thermagize XT has it in there but Muscle Addiction ECA Stack and CEL Lipo Elite do not.
- Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore has it in there but SNS VasoForce Rush does not.

I'm working on a high stim option for CEL right now and whether to include it or not is one of the big choices I have to make.

Please no Y or AY in the CEL stim product.

 

[Rocket3015]

Please no Y or AY in the CEL stim product.

Try It, You'll Like It !!

 

[TommyTuffGuy]

On the topic of the stims, the stuff doesn’t even FEEL good. None of the stuff out CURRENTLY holds a candle to what used to be available. I don’t even understand why people dabble in it when you’re anxious and shaking and have cold sweats. It’s just gross.

Truth. Most stims out now are anxiety inducing nonsense that don't even hit hard in a good way. There used to be so many feel good supps out. You'd be jazzed up and walking on sunshine, and not be in the throes of cold sweats and panic.

RPM anyone? Magical.

 

[TommyTuffGuy]

I thought I had but couldn't remember. Everyone is different and sometimes unfortunately in an effort to make a product that appeals to the largest group of consumers, it will contain something that not everyone may like. We do our best to make everyone happy but sometimes it just isn't possible.

In the case of Alpha Yohimbine, that's why we don't use it in some things. A couple examples:
- Thermagize XT has it in there but Muscle Addiction ECA Stack and CEL Lipo Elite do not.
- Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore has it in there but SNS VasoForce Rush does not.

I'm working on a high stim option for CEL right now and whether to include it or not is one of the big choices I have to make.

I vote no Alpha Y or any Yo stuff. Let people add it. Make it some feel good stims. You know I'll buy this chit 12 times a year.

 

[AdelV]

Anyone remember LG SCIENCE COLD FUSION? It was this liquid PWO, I think it contained high Y. It would make my mate & I super aggressive

 

[SSJ4GOD]

Anyone remember LG SCIENCE COLD FUSION? It was this liquid PWO, I think it contained high Y. It would make my mate & I super aggressive

No but I remember their liquid pwo concentrate called epic and it came in like a oil quart looking bottle

 

[Rocket3015]

I vote no Alpha Y or any Yo stuff. Let people add it. Make it some feel good stims. You know I'll buy this chit 12 times a year.

I like the Alpha Y, but I would have no problem adding it.

 

[Jeremyk1]

No but I remember their liquid pwo concentrate called epic and it came in like a oil quart looking bottle

Oh my god I had some of that! I was so excited but it ended up being pretty disappointing for me.

 

[billyroberts]

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