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Which oral to kickstart upcoming test e cycle

saderboy80 said:
Those are very valid points! Did not really think of it that way. So would you recommend not taking on oral? Or would you take it the last 4 weeks of your cycle?
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Depends on the goals of the anabolic cycle, but I feel @Dagron explained it perfectly from a real growth perspective.

My last cycle was for a powerlifting meet and I needed to get strong fast just to get strength back to a level to start training with weights that were even heavy enough to transfer towards the goals I had. I was reversing off a deficit, while on cyclic keto, while being off for 20 months - the goal was to get my bodyweight back up to competition range ASAP so I could spend as long as possible training around the leverages I would compete with. Orals from the start made sense there.
 
If you aren't sure, toss it and buy new stuff. It's what 35 bucks? Very easy to source. A test is going to cost more and take a lot more time
 
If I take superdrol at 20-30mg and eating appropriately, within 5 days or so I'm up 5lbs and my strength goes up noticeably, I think most ppl have similar experiences with it. So why not just take 20mg for a week and see what happens. If it's fake you will probably notice by then. If you dont want to try it and decide to toss it you can ship it to me for proper disposal 😁
 
Dagron said:
If you aren't sure, toss it and buy new stuff. It's what 35 bucks? Very easy to source. A test is going to cost more and take a lot more time
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To be honest, I wasn’t sure if it were a quick, easy task given someone had the proper materials. Really no biggie though, I’m sure it’s good to go.
 
Smont said:
If I take superdrol at 20-30mg and eating appropriately, within 5 days or so I'm up 5lbs and my strength goes up noticeably, I think most ppl have similar experiences with it. So why not just take 20mg for a week and see what happens. If it's fake you will probably notice by then. If you dont want to try it and decide to toss it you can ship it to me for proper disposal 😁
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Haha I’ll be starting next week at 20mg, will report back for sure
 
Side note, almost 8 weeks in on 500mg of test. Starting weight was 213, at 225 currently. Body fat has for sure dropped. Strength is still climbing. Overall, feeling great.
 
Today marks 9 weeks on Test and Day 1 of Superdrol. Still weighing in at 225. Strength has continued to increase nicely. Have been pinning my quads this entire time. Slight tenderness the following day, but totally manageable. Only a couple bad pokes, so pretty happy with that.

The plan from here is utilize test for another two weeks and run the SD through the month of December, at 20mg. Using Cycle Assist and Tudca for supports. Taking 12.5mg of exem on injection days only, haven't seen the need to increase. Not sure if I'll want less or more, adding SD into the mix. We shall see.

Capitalized on some solid black friday sales. Picked up a couple bottles of M-Test and Sustain Alpha to run alongside my SERM, once I start pct.

Ready to see what the SD hype is all about!
 
ndiguy said:
Today marks 9 weeks on Test and Day 1 of Superdrol. Still weighing in at 225. Strength has continued to increase nicely. Have been pinning my quads this entire time. Slight tenderness the following day, but totally manageable. Only a couple bad pokes, so pretty happy with that.

The plan from here is utilize test for another two weeks and run the SD through the month of December, at 20mg. Using Cycle Assist and Tudca for supports. Taking 12.5mg of exem on injection days only, haven't seen the need to increase. Not sure if I'll want less or more, adding SD into the mix. We shall see.

Capitalized on some solid black friday sales. Picked up a couple bottles of M-Test and Sustain Alpha to run alongside my SERM, once I start pct.

Ready to see what the SD hype is all about!
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Started my superdrol 3 days ago. So far I have noticed nothing, good or bad. Hope it kicks soon,
 
ndiguy said:
Today marks 9 weeks on Test and Day 1 of Superdrol. Still weighing in at 225. Strength has continued to increase nicely. Have been pinning my quads this entire time. Slight tenderness the following day, but totally manageable. Only a couple bad pokes, so pretty happy with that.

The plan from here is utilize test for another two weeks and run the SD through the month of December, at 20mg. Using Cycle Assist and Tudca for supports. Taking 12.5mg of exem on injection days only, haven't seen the need to increase. Not sure if I'll want less or more, adding SD into the mix. We shall see.

Capitalized on some solid black friday sales. Picked up a couple bottles of M-Test and Sustain Alpha to run alongside my SERM, once I start pct.

Ready to see what the SD hype is all about!
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SD doesn’t aromatize so you should have no need to adjust your AI dosage if feeling good.
 
Hyde said:
SD doesn’t aromatize so you should have no need to adjust your AI dosage if feeling good.
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Awesome, thanks for the info man.

I did notice, once I started incorporating exem, I do appear a bit more "flat". Of course my biggest concern is growing titties, so I'll just keep doing what I'm doing! lol
 
ndiguy said:
Awesome, thanks for the info man.

I did notice, once I started incorporating exem, I do appear a bit more "flat". Of course my biggest concern is growing titties, so I'll just keep doing what I'm doing! lol
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Without getting bloods on cycle to test estrogen and test there’s no way to know what your levels are, but even those wouldn’t tell us how gyno prone you are. For that, you basically just have to try to slowly push boundaries and see what you get away with. So instead of 2x a week, e4d. Then e5 after a few weeks (basically 3 doses over 2 weeks at that point). If still zero signs of puffiness or excessive bloating you could try one a week.

The leaner you are, the more likely you will manage aromatization better naturally. That’s a big benefit to staying lean year round and never just adding fat for the sake of the bulk.

Or you could be like me and be fat year round and need a lot of AI
 
Hyde said:
Without getting bloods on cycle to test estrogen and test there’s no way to know what your levels are, but even those wouldn’t tell us how gyno prone you are. For that, you basically just have to try to slowly push boundaries and see what you get away with. So instead of 2x a week, e4d. Then e5 after a few weeks (basically 3 doses over 2 weeks at that point). If still zero signs of puffiness or excessive bloating you could try one a week.

The leaner you are, the more likely you will manage aromatization better naturally. That’s a big benefit to staying lean year round and never just adding fat for the sake of the bulk.

Or you could be like me and be fat year round and need a lot of AI
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haha for sure. Seems like without bloodwork, it's quite the delicate balance. I'm not the leanest guy either, but I'd rather have a bit more estrogen as opposed to accidentally crushing it haha.
 
ndiguy said:
haha for sure. Seems like without bloodwork, it's quite the delicate balance. I'm not the leanest guy either, but I'd rather have a bit more estrogen as opposed to accidentally crushing it haha.
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Yeah I had a gyno flare up recently from my deca and test TRT so I crushed my e2 and I have been PISSY
 
trumac said:
Yeah I had a gyno flare up recently from my deca and test TRT so I crushed my e2 and I have been PISSY
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Sorry to hear, man. Gyno gone now? That was the one thing I was most uncertain about prior to starting this cycle. Pinning was whatever, a strong oral to finish is whatever, but there’s so many varying opinions out there about AI usage.. didn’t want to do too much or too little and fight issues into pct or experience rebound afterward. Hard to say if 12.5mg twice per week is enough for me; I’m not a shredded guy so if I were a little “puffy” it wouldn’t be super noticeable.
 
ndiguy said:
Sorry to hear, man. Gyno gone now? That was the one thing I was most uncertain about prior to starting this cycle. Pinning was whatever, a strong oral to finish is whatever, but there’s so many varying opinions out there about AI usage.. didn’t want to do too much or too little and fight issues into pct or experience rebound afterward. Hard to say if 12.5mg twice per week is enough for me; I’m not a shredded guy so if I were a little “puffy” it wouldn’t be super noticeable.
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It’s going. It hasn’t been that long but I hit it hard with AI, Ralox, a little caber, and mast. If you are just vigilant you’ll nail it down man
 
Superdrol is incredible. Around day 7 Im looking joocy in all the alpha areas (shoulders, traps, arms esp) and PRing every single workout.

And the fulness+strength happen even at a kcal deficit and mininal carbs. Its the closest thing to magic Ive experienced.
 
Nac said:
Superdrol is incredible. Around day 7 Im looking joocy in all the alpha areas (shoulders, traps, arms esp) and PRing every single workout.

And the fulness+strength happen even at a kcal deficit and mininal carbs. Its the closest thing to magic Ive experienced.
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I hope so, only other time I tried SD it was the infamous bunk SD that was going around. So I’m ready for the show
 
Nac said:
Superdrol is incredible. Around day 7 Im looking joocy in all the alpha areas (shoulders, traps, arms esp) and PRing every single workout.

And the fulness+strength happen even at a kcal deficit and mininal carbs. Its the closest thing to magic Ive experienced.
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I bet you’d like injectable dienelone. It’s doing a lot of that now that it’s spooled up and I’m on no orals and diet is as you stated.
 
For experienced SD users, how long until you felt/noticed a difference? I'm sure there's no one size fits all answer here, but trying to gauge out what to expect. 5 Days in, at 20mg. Not a single thing, good or bad, to report yet.
 
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ndiguy said:
For experienced SD users, how long until you felt/noticed a difference? I'm sure there's no one size fits all answer here, but trying to gauge out what to expect. 5 Days in, at 20mg. Not a single thing, good or bad, to report yet.
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Almost instantly, I dont get a "feeling", but my weight and strength seem to go up daily. Within a week you should be noticeably stronger. Now you have recently put on a good amount of weight so maybe your weight wont skyrocket or anything but strength should be noticeable by now or very soon on 20-30mg. I would just keep with it for the time being and maybe go test your strength for reps next workout. Dont try to max out but if you know what you can usually handle for 5-10 reps, get a spot and go till you fail. That should tell you where your at. Back in march this year, given I did a fat boy bulk but my bench went from 245x8ish to 245x17 and my max went from 330 to 352. Most of that progress was in the middle of when I added sd
 
Correction. it was the last 3 weeks of april that my strength made that jump and that was weeks 2,3,4 of superdrol. Always good to keep old log books so you can refer to them
 
@Smont Thanks for the detailed response brother (y)

5 days is still plenty early, so hopefully in the next week or so it starts to shine. I suppose I'd be lying if I said I wasn't expecting some nasty sides early, based off countless threads over the past decade where SD is referred to as "poison" haha.
 
ndiguy said:
@Smont Thanks for the detailed response brother (y)

5 days is still plenty early, so hopefully in the next week or so it starts to shine. I suppose I'd be lying if I said I wasn't expecting some nasty sides early, based off countless threads over the past decade where SD is referred to as "poison" haha.
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Haha.
Give it time, brother.
The longer you go, the more likely you'll get annoying to very annoying sides.
 
Renew1 said:
Haha.
Give it time, brother.
The longer you go, the more likely you'll get annoying to very annoying sides.
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Haha only in the bodybuilding community does someone get a bit concerned if they aren’t experiencing wicked bp spikes, dark urine or debilitating back pumps 😂
 
Just dont judge effectiveness by negative sides, in my mid to late 20s I never experienced a negative side from anything, took about 5 years off gear and since I hopped back on I'm noticing I get sides now, especially estrogen and prolactin sides that never happened back when. My point being, you may not get appetite suppression or feel run down on sd, you may feel awsome on it. Let the mirror and the weights tell you if something is working or not, which may take longer then 5 days.

That said, sd works fast, any day now you should notice something I would think and worst case if it is fake, it wont do any harm staying on it longer to see what happens
 
Smont said:
Just dont judge effectiveness by negative sides, in my mid to late 20s I never experienced a negative side from anything, took about 5 years off gear and since I hopped back on I'm noticing I get sides now, especially estrogen and prolactin sides that never happened back when. My point being, you may not get appetite suppression or feel run down on sd, you may feel awsome on it. Let the mirror and the weights tell you if something is working or not, which may take longer then 5 days.

That said, sd works fast, any day now you should notice something I would think and worst case if it is fake, it wont do any harm staying on it longer to see what happens
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For sure. I really, really hope I'm not resembling one of those guys shouting "help! bunk!!" from the roof top, lol. It was just more of an assessment almost a week in, based off other feedback I've witnessed. You know how it goes, the feel out process can be tricky when supplementing with a compound for the first time.

Also, thanks again for following along through this thread since the start. (y)
 
ndiguy said:
For sure. I really, really hope I'm not resembling one of those guys shouting "help! bunk!!" from the roof top, lol. It was just more of an assessment almost a week in, based off other feedback I've witnessed. You know how it goes, the feel out process can be tricky when supplementing with a compound for the first time.

Also, thanks again for following along through this thread since the start. (y)
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If I remember correctly (for me), the effects started being noticable at about 5 days, and continued until almost 4 weeks (6 days through 3.5 weeks was pretty Crazy!).
 
Day 9 on SD.

I have become a human garbage disposal, in regards to food. Can't seem to eat enough, which certainly reflects on the scale. Was 228 upon waking this morning. Have read many reports of appetite suppression from SD, possibly something to expect later on?

Shoulders and traps appear to be juicier than usual. Random cramps have increased, so upping water consumption accordingly.

Will keep on keepin on, and follow up again soon.
 
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I just ran SD at the end of a cycle sort of like u are doing. I was an animal for about 12 or 15 days and had to stop. Appetite suddenly plummeted. I'm shut the ef down 10x worse than 12 wks of test. Thank goodness I have a fridge full of hcg. I still think the pct restart is going to be way harder than usual, but we live w our mistakes. Im 41 and done w orals from here on out. Too old for a young man's game.
 
ndiguy said:
Day 8 on SD.

I have become a human garbage disposal, in regards to food. Can't seem to eat enough, which certainly reflects on the scale. Was 228 upon waking this morning. Have read many reports of appetite suppression from SD, possibly something to expect later on?

Shoulders and traps appear to be juicier than usual. Random cramps have increased, so upping water consumption accordingly.

Will keep on keepin on, and follow up again soon.
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How much weight have you gained so far?

Yes, many of us suffer appetite suppression on SD, especially the longer the cycle continues.

If I remember correctly, my shoulders and Traps blew up pretty quickly, followed by my Tris (but I was working them pretty hard).
I drank as much water as I could, and took some Taurine.
... And used a "base".
 
celc5 said:
I just ran SD at the end of a cycle sort of like u are doing. I was an animal for about 12 or 15 days and had to stop. Appetite suddenly plummeted. I'm shut the ef down 10x worse than 12 wks of test. Thank goodness I have a fridge full of hcg. I still think the pct restart is going to be way harder than usual, but we live w our mistakes. Im 41 and done w orals from here on out. Too old for a young man's game.
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That's wild. What dosage were you running? Was appetite pretty normal or increased prior to the sudden plummet? Hope the recovery goes well for ya
 
Renew1 said:
How much weight have you gained so far?

Yes, many of us suffer appetite suppression on SD, especially the longer the cycle continues.

If I remember correctly, my shoulders and Traps blew up pretty quickly, followed by my Tris (but I was working them pretty hard).
I drank as much water as I could, and took some Taurine.
... And used a "base".
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Started on Oct 1 @ 213lbs, I am 228lbs as of today. Prior to starting the SD, I would've for sure noted some fat loss but with the amount of calories and water I've consumed since adding in SD, I feel rather bloated right now haha.

I'll be upping the taurine, as well. Lower back has been getting pretty tight while giving it to the ol' lady :LOL:
 
ndiguy said:
Day 9 on SD.

I have become a human garbage disposal, in regards to food. Can't seem to eat enough, which certainly reflects on the scale. Was 228 upon waking this morning. Have read many reports of appetite suppression from SD, possibly something to expect later on?

Shoulders and traps appear to be juicier than usual. Random cramps have increased, so upping water consumption accordingly.

Will keep on keepin on, and follow up again soon.
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Just like everything, user dependent. You may lose the appetite or you may not
 
ndiguy said:
That's wild. What dosage were you running? Was appetite pretty normal or increased prior to the sudden plummet? Hope the recovery goes well for ya
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Just 10mg. Strength. appetite, and weight gain were all exceptional until I hit the wall. Im slowly feeling better every day.
 
Well, figured I'd update just to share my overall thoughts on this cycle, as it's coming to an end. Started on Oct 1st at 213lbs, weighed in at 230lbs this morning. Nice, clean weight gain from what I can tell.

Running test was awesome. Felt amazing through out. Sex drive was out of the world, though the ol' lady is mentally and physically exhausted catering to my needs. Pinning was easy enough, mostly stuck my quads but did have one super awkward glute shot near the beginning of the cycle. A bit of PIP throughout, but very manageable. Nuts are the size of raisins, so I'm excited to get those bastards plumped back up. Overall, loved the experience.

Superdrol... I made it three weeks before I pulled the plug. Strangely enough, it took almost two full weeks at 20mg for it to shine. Shoulders and traps blew up. Stayed hungry on the stuff, so that was nice. Strength gains were so-so, but I irritated an old shoulder injury, so had to modify my workouts a little bit. The cramps were absolutely terrible. Worst cramping of my life, without question. I don't know that I'll use this stuff again, as others I have on hand provided similar gains & felt cleaner overall. Was still cool to experience the compound, after a decade of consideration.

PCT starts tomorrow; will consist of Clomid, M-Test and Sustain Alpha. Thanks again for those who stuck around and contributed. Much appreciated!
 
I think you would be doing yourself a solid to blast a little HCG first to kick your nuts back into gear, if your nuts didn't shrink on cycle I'd say **** it. Just my bro science here. I'm sure theres better ways to determine weather or not HCG is needed. But if your looking for full recovery one could argue HCG is the most important part of pct .Other then that sounds like a very productive cycle.
 
ndiguy said:
Day 9 on SD.

I have become a human garbage disposal, in regards to food. Can't seem to eat enough, which certainly reflects on the scale. Was 228 upon waking this morning. Have read many reports of appetite suppression from SD, possibly something to expect later on?

Shoulders and traps appear to be juicier than usual. Random cramps have increased, so upping water consumption accordingly.

Will keep on keepin on, and follow up again soon.
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Shoulders and traps have the highest androgen receptor density of any muscle of the body in men. So should be expected! Nice gains though man!
 
trumac said:
How’s pct been going?
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it’s been going well, brother . Been on Clomid, M-test and Sustain Alpha for 5 weeks now. Strength has stayed pretty consistent, but weight is down to 220. Definitely lost some water weight / glycogen. Overall feeling good though
 
ndiguy said:
it’s been going well, brother . Been on Clomid, M-test and Sustain Alpha for 5 weeks now. Strength has stayed pretty consistent, but weight is down to 220. Definitely lost some water weight / glycogen. Overall feeling good though
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How do you look after losing the water? Improvement?
 
trumac said:
How do you look after losing the water? Improvement?
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Much improvement compared to pre-cycle. With the recent loss of water and glycogen, I am more vascular, but do feel a bit smaller than at the end of the cycle. My biggest priority has been eating enough, to ensure I keep as much as possible through pct
 
ndiguy said:
Much improvement compared to pre-cycle. With the recent loss of water and glycogen, I am more vascular, but do feel a bit smaller than at the end of the cycle. My biggest priority has been eating enough, to ensure I keep as much as possible through pct
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You may feel a little smaller but actually look bigger or better. Sometimes losing a little water can make you look better even when smaller
 
First pic is near the end of the cycle, second is from last night, aprx 6 weeks later. Around 10lbs difference in body weight. I’d like to drop some body fat from now until fall, when I cycle again.. so that’ll be the plan 👍
 

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