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Curcumin - Tell SNS What You'd Like to See in a Curcumin Product

Resolve10 said:
Can you hurry up? I had to make suggestions to three people in the past two days for Curcumin products and felt bad because I couldn't say use SNS! :ROFLMAO:
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Ha. I appreciate it. Doing my best here :)

Thank you though, I really do appreciate that.
 
I have a question for everyone interested in Theracurmin. What dosage have you tried or are you interested in?

There seems to be a very wide dosage range. Some products offer 100 mg. (30 mg. active curcumin) and recommend twice per day. Others offer up to 600 mg. (180 mg. active curcumin).

Lower end of dosage range makes it doable in a combination product. Higher end of dosage range would have to make it be a stand alone product separate from the one being discussed here.
 
Resolve10 said:
I used 60mg of active curcumin from Theracumin.
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Thank you. 30 mg. I know should be doable in a formula; 60 mg. is iffy. Any more than that would likely be a standalone type product cost wise.
 
Resolve10 said:
I used 60mg of active curcumin from Theracumin.
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Same for the most part. I’ve used more on occasion but generally 60mg.

The study on memory and attention used 90mg 2x daily, but that would be super costly.
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Edit: I looked back at previous orders and for a while I was taking 90mg/day, and sometimes 180mg/day (I’m sure you can figure out the brand that offer Theracurmin in 90mg increments haha). 180mg is quite cost prohibitive. I now use 60mg and probably don’t notice much difference between 60mg and 90mg.
 
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aaronuconn said:
30mg in an anti-inflammatory product would be cool, then 60mg in a stand-alone product :)
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We already have the formulation for a comprehensive anti-inflammatory product complete ;)

30 mg. in this Curcumin idea may be doable though. Think 30 mg. would be good on top of 500 mg. of C3?
 
sns8778 said:
We already have the formulation for a comprehensive anti-inflammatory product complete ;)

30 mg. in this Curcumin idea may be doable though. Think 30 mg. would be good on top of 500 mg. of C3?
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Definitely. You thinking 30mg Theracurmin + 500mg C3 per cap, 60 caps a bottle?
 
aaronuconn said:
Definitely. You thinking 30mg Theracurmin + 500mg C3 per cap, 60 caps a bottle?
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There would be more to it than that but those are 2 of the ones I'm thinking.
 
sns8778 said:
I'm sorry but its against their NDA guidelines to release their prices.

We are considering both and there are multiple things that go into making the decision - which one is better, pricing, whether they will allow their ingredients to be used with other branded ingredients, etc.

This is an example of a product that should have been fairly simple but has been an incredible pain in the butt bc of how hard some of the branded ingredient companies are to deal with.
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I have to imagine that some of these branded ingredients are like children for some of these companies especially if the current owners are the ones that actually created these ingredients. It is almost as if you are borrowing their children for your project and they are going to protect it like any good helicopter parent would lol.

This becomes a huge pain in the rear for SNS/CEL but I guess I can understand it to some extent.

I think the pricing question from the above poster was more along the lines of what SNS is thinking your end product MSRP will be. I could be wrong.....it happened once in 97' so anythings possible. lol
 
BCseacow83 said:
I have to imagine that some of these branded ingredients are like children for some of these companies especially if the current owners are the ones that actually created these ingredients. It is almost as if you are borrowing their children for your project and they are going to protect it like any good helicopter parent would lol.

This becomes a huge pain in the rear for SNS/CEL but I guess I can understand it to some extent.

I think the pricing question from the above poster was more along the lines of what SNS is thinking your end product MSRP will be. I could be wrong.....it happened once in 97' so anythings possible. lol
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We deal with a lot of branded ingredient companies. In this particular situation, it had nothing to do with the branded ingredient company having good intentions, it had to do with ego. It's easier to put down a competitors ingredient when yours isn't in the same product with it. They entered into an agreement and then after labels were done went back on that agreement. That to me is indefensible. If they weren't willing to do it, cool, they should have said so - but screwing a company by changing after the labels are printed is just wrong. I think they basically thought we would remove the other companies ingredients instead of theirs and being that I think the other companies ingredient is better, we didn't. Instead, we removed theirs. Also, we had different ingredients of theirs that were going to be used in other formulas and we've pulled everything out by them and will never work with them again.

As far as Aaron's question, I think he was asking the price of one versus the other and I was just explaining that we can't give out that information. He understands, we've chatted about things like that before.
 
mase1 said:
Should C3 be taken 500mg 2x a day? What does C3 do more of? Joints or everything?
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I think at this point it’s better if you google as you’re asking some pretty non-proprietary, info-readily-available questions.

But alas, here you go. Click through the years and find info in the studies.

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sns8778 said:
We deal with a lot of branded ingredient companies. In this particular situation, it had nothing to do with the branded ingredient company having good intentions, it had to do with ego. It's easier to put down a competitors ingredient when yours isn't in the same product with it. They entered into an agreement and then after labels were done went back on that agreement. That to me is indefensible. If they weren't willing to do it, cool, they should have said so - but screwing a company by changing after the labels are printed is just wrong. I think they basically thought we would remove the other companies ingredients instead of theirs and being that I think the other companies ingredient is better, we didn't. Instead, we removed theirs. Also, we had different ingredients of theirs that were going to be used in other formulas and we've pulled everything out by them and will never work with them again.

As far as Aaron's question, I think he was asking the price of one versus the other and I was just explaining that we can't give out that information. He understands, we've chatted about things like that before.
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That is completely indefensible. It is unfortunate that a company such as that remains in business. Well, screw them to the moon and back.

I must have misunderstood Aarons question sorry, Do you have a MSRP in mind for the curc and or the inflamation product? Thamk you!
 
BCseacow83 said:
That is completely indefensible. It is unfortunate that a company such as that remains in business. Well, screw them to the moon and back.

I must have misunderstood Aarons question sorry, Do you have a MSRP in mind for the curc and or the inflamation product? Thamk you!
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It's too early to tell. Based off the way its looking, I would say somewhere in the 29.99 range will be the selling price.
 
I keep reading conflicting information on optimizing Turmeric/Curcumin supplements. Should they be taken with food or without food? Currently using a C3 product with Bioperine.
 
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Em3 said:
I keep reading conflicting information on optimizing Turmeric/Curcumin supplements. Should they be taken with food or without food? Currently using a C3 product with Bioperine.
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Agreed with poison. I personally take with a fatty meal if possible. Maybe not necessary, but just what I do
 
Sabinsa has C3 Complex and C3 Reduct which looks like an extract of tetrahydrocurcuminoids from C3 Complex. Which would y’all be using?
 
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This seems like a good one too. Maybe bulk buying could improve the price.
 
Any time line on this stuff? I just ordered more Dr's best meriva to tide me over.
 
I bought 2 bottles of trader joes circumin caps for 7.99 (each) last time I was there. “Patiently” waiting for this product to come out.
 
jswain34 said:
I bought 2 bottles of trader joes circumin caps for 7.99 (each) last time I was there. “Patiently” waiting for this product to come out.
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Any bioavailability enhancers? Nonetheless, good price and good for gut health without the absorption enhancers most likely
 
poison said:
Any time line on this stuff? I just ordered more Dr's best meriva to tide me over.
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I would like to say within the next 2 months. First time production takes awhile, especially with branded ingredients.

Resolve10 said:
I'm about to dry up my Curcumin supply too and I am unsure what to do without SNS. :unsure:
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We have finally finalized the formula and raws are on order. It will be a great product, just a matter of the raws coming in and getting through production now :)
 
aaronuconn said:
Any bioavailability enhancers? Nonetheless, good price and good for gut health without the absorption enhancers most likely
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Nope, none. I just buy some standalone piperine and take it with that. It definitely isn’t being absorbed like the higher end products are but for 7.99 for the circumin i still think it’s worth it. From what I read on examine (i know, i know - not real primary lit but I love how they organize the info and link the studies), there are still effects despite poor absorption and that still cant really be explained. So although I know the higher end products offer more, i’m just hoping were just missing something with the standalone product that is poorly absorbed.

To get things back on topic, i will definitely be picking this SNS product up when it comes out. I just needed to go with the lower end “economical” product for a few months lol.
 
sns8778 said:
I would like to say within the next 2 months. First time production takes awhile, especially with branded ingredients.



We have finally finalized the formula and raws are on order. It will be a great product, just a matter of the raws coming in and getting through production now :)
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I've read through some of this post and may have missed it, is this an upgrade change to an existing product or do you have a name for this newly developed product ?
 
jswain34 said:
Nope, none. I just buy some standalone piperine and take it with that. It definitely isn’t being absorbed like the higher end products are but for 7.99 for the circumin i still think it’s worth it. From what I read on examine (i know, i know - not real primary lit but I love how they organize the info and link the studies), there are still effects despite poor absorption and that still cant really be explained. So although I know the higher end products offer more, i’m just hoping were just missing something with the standalone product that is poorly absorbed.

To get things back on topic, i will definitely be picking this SNS product up when it comes out. I just needed to go with the lower end “economical” product for a few months lol.
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For sure, I mean, cultures/regions/people that consume a lot of tumeric naturally through diet aren’t using some phospholipid complex or what not lol.
 
Resolve10 said:
I honestly would look at other options besides Longvida. I also am super wary of random brands on Amazon (idk that brand so I could be wrong) and usually stick to Jarrow, Life Extension, or Dr Best when sourcing Curcumin for now (SNS once they drop theirs).

Seems a little expensive for Longvida as well.
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Dr best Meriva is $26 for 180 caps, a great price for a highly studied form. It may not be THE BEST, but it's exponentially better than plain curcumin or even plain c3.
 
scoooter said:
I've read through some of this post and may have missed it, is this an upgrade change to an existing product or do you have a name for this newly developed product ?
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It will be a new product. We aren't going to release the name quite yet, but the formula is pretty much finalized. The goal is/was to design the best overall Curcumin product on the market and I think our formula will definitely accomplish that.
 
Resolve10 said:
I honestly would look at other options besides Longvida. I also am super wary of random brands on Amazon (idk that brand so I could be wrong) and usually stick to Jarrow, Life Extension, or Dr Best when sourcing Curcumin for now (SNS once they drop theirs).

Seems a little expensive for Longvida as well.
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I absolutely agree. I am very wary of random Amazon brands because there is no way to know if they are actually using the branded ingredients they claim to be or not. In some cases, I look at pricing and know its absolutely impossible with some of these brands.

Even if ordering on Amazon, I would stick with brands I know and trust like the ones you mentioned &/or NOW Foods, etc.
 
Jarrow, Doctors best, and solaray are all good. Especially Jarrow. I’ve gotten multiple NOW products with completely different amounts of powder in the capsules and they were even clear. For example, 1 cap full, 1 cap 1/4th full, 1 half etc. makes me question
 
CATdiesel76 said:
Jarrow, Doctors best, and solaray are all good. Especially Jarrow. I’ve gotten multiple NOW products with completely different amounts of powder in the capsules and they were even clear. For example, 1 cap full, 1 cap 1/4th full, 1 half etc. makes me question
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Some ingredients settle more in capsules than others. It’s kind of like the statement on the potato chip bags - by weight, not volume. Of course though no matter how much anyone tries, there’s going to be a capsule here or there that’s going to be off.

One reason that’s more noticeable with Now is they use clear capsules for most products. That’s why a lot of brands don’t.

The brands you mentioned are good too. I’m just explaining the above for anyone interested.
 
sns8778 said:
Some ingredients settle more in capsules than others. It’s kind of like the statement on the potato chip bags - by weight, not volume. Of course though no matter how much anyone tries, there’s going to be a capsule here or there that’s going to be off.

One reason that’s more noticeable with Now is they use clear capsules for most products. That’s why a lot of brands don’t.

The brands you mentioned are good too. I’m just explaining the above for anyone interested.
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I know the following question is unrelated to the thread, but your industry insights are always appreciated. You mentioned how there’s always going to a capsule here or there’s that’s off. Let’s say a company has a stimulant product in pill form. How likely is it that a stray pill or two is going to be overstuffed? And I’m thinking more in the context of maybe some exotic stimulant that some people respond to poorly.

My assumption would be this is rare, as companies optimize capsule size (0, 00, etc.) to be as well fitting as possible for the ingredient serving size, therefore the likelihood is that a stray pill or two may be slightly underdosed as opposed to over.

Just curious.
 
sns8778 said:
Some ingredients settle more in capsules than others. It’s kind of like the statement on the potato chip bags - by weight, not volume. Of course though no matter how much anyone tries, there’s going to be a capsule here or there that’s going to be off.

One reason that’s more noticeable with Now is they use clear capsules for most products. That’s why a lot of brands don’t.

The brands you mentioned are good too. I’m just explaining the above for anyone interested.
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That might be the case for some of them but some it would have been impossible to settle that much. I’m talking one cap full to the brim of powder and another cap having enough powder to barely coat the bottom of the cap if stood vertically
 
CATdiesel76 said:
That might be the case for some of them but some it would have been impossible to settle that much. I’m talking one cap full to the brim of powder and another cap having enough powder to barely coat the bottom of the cap if stood vertically
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It's unfortunate when things like that happen but it truly can happen to any brand from time to time. Capsules are filled by machines and no matter how good of quality controls are implemented, there can be an errant capsule here and there. With brands like NOW that use clear capsules, its a lot more noticeable. I've had the same thing happen to me with Optimum Nutrition back when they made more capsule products - I had several capsules in a bottle of one of their old multi-vitamins that were partially filled and close to empty. But I still did/do trust their quality.

I have no interest in defending NOW one way or the other, I just give insights from industry experience on things that happen. I can say also that if you look at NOW's history of FDA inspections, everything always comes out top notch. NOW has even done recalls over the years just over label wording that most other companies wouldn't have even thought anything about; so I think they definitely do try. I do like the other brands you listed too, but NOW is my go to brand for most of my basic vitamin products myself.
 
aaronuconn said:
I know the following question is unrelated to the thread, but your industry insights are always appreciated. You mentioned how there’s always going to a capsule here or there’s that’s off. Let’s say a company has a stimulant product in pill form. How likely is it that a stray pill or two is going to be overstuffed? And I’m thinking more in the context of maybe some exotic stimulant that some people respond to poorly.

My assumption would be this is rare, as companies optimize capsule size (0, 00, etc.) to be as well fitting as possible for the ingredient serving size, therefore the likelihood is that a stray pill or two may be slightly underdosed as opposed to over.

Just curious.
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You are correct in that it would be more likely to be under-dosed than over-dosed.

To answer the question, I have to make a distinction between overdosed and overstuffed.
- Overstuffed - the typical maximum volume for a size 0 capsule is approximately 500 mg. and for a 00 capsule is approximately 750 to 800 mg. Most companies are going to use that total weight between active ingredients and excipients/other ingredients to fill the capsule out; so the idea of it being overstuffed is highly unlikely.
- Overdosed - this could happen from the mixer instead of the capsule press and could in theory happen, especially if the place doing the actual manufacturing doesn't have good equipment, do the proper maintenance on the equipment, or keep it calibrated properly.

The issue I would worry about more is when it comes to companies selling/using questionable ingredients. Now days, most GMP compliant facilities won't touch them so that leaves certain companies using manufacturing facilities that aren't compliant or doing the encapsulation themselves and there is a ton of different possible things that could go wrong in that scenario.
 
sns8778 said:
It's unfortunate when things like that happen but it truly can happen to any brand from time to time. Capsules are filled by machines and no matter how good of quality controls are implemented, there can be an errant capsule here and there. With brands like NOW that use clear capsules, its a lot more noticeable. I've had the same thing happen to me with Optimum Nutrition back when they made more capsule products - I had several capsules in a bottle of one of their old multi-vitamins that were partially filled and close to empty. But I still did/do trust their quality.

I have no interest in defending NOW one way or the other, I just give insights from industry experience on things that happen. I can say also that if you look at NOW's history of FDA inspections, everything always comes out top notch. NOW has even done recalls over the years just over label wording that most other companies wouldn't have even thought anything about; so I think they definitely do try. I do like the other brands you listed too, but NOW is my go to brand for most of my basic vitamin products myself.
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That’s good to know and I appreciate the insight because they have so many things and such good pricing. I still use them so it gives me more
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