Curcumin - Tell SNS What You'd Like to See in a Curcumin Product

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I honestly would look at other options besides Longvida. I also am super wary of random brands on Amazon (idk that brand so I could be wrong) and usually stick to Jarrow, Life Extension, or Dr Best when sourcing Curcumin for now (SNS once they drop theirs).

Seems a little expensive for Longvida as well.
Dr best Meriva is $26 for 180 caps, a great price for a highly studied form. It may not be THE BEST, but it's exponentially better than plain curcumin or even plain c3.
 
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Dr best Meriva is $26 for 180 caps, a great price for a highly studied form. It may not be THE BEST, but it's exponentially better than plain curcumin or even plain c3.
Ya that is probably one of the ones I've used the most, due to cost, availability, and seemed benefits I got.
 
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I've read through some of this post and may have missed it, is this an upgrade change to an existing product or do you have a name for this newly developed product ?
It will be a new product. We aren't going to release the name quite yet, but the formula is pretty much finalized. The goal is/was to design the best overall Curcumin product on the market and I think our formula will definitely accomplish that.
 
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I honestly would look at other options besides Longvida. I also am super wary of random brands on Amazon (idk that brand so I could be wrong) and usually stick to Jarrow, Life Extension, or Dr Best when sourcing Curcumin for now (SNS once they drop theirs).

Seems a little expensive for Longvida as well.
I absolutely agree. I am very wary of random Amazon brands because there is no way to know if they are actually using the branded ingredients they claim to be or not. In some cases, I look at pricing and know its absolutely impossible with some of these brands.

Even if ordering on Amazon, I would stick with brands I know and trust like the ones you mentioned &/or NOW Foods, etc.
 
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Jarrow, Doctors best, and solaray are all good. Especially Jarrow. I’ve gotten multiple NOW products with completely different amounts of powder in the capsules and they were even clear. For example, 1 cap full, 1 cap 1/4th full, 1 half etc. makes me question
 
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Jarrow, Doctors best, and solaray are all good. Especially Jarrow. I’ve gotten multiple NOW products with completely different amounts of powder in the capsules and they were even clear. For example, 1 cap full, 1 cap 1/4th full, 1 half etc. makes me question
Some ingredients settle more in capsules than others. It’s kind of like the statement on the potato chip bags - by weight, not volume. Of course though no matter how much anyone tries, there’s going to be a capsule here or there that’s going to be off.

One reason that’s more noticeable with Now is they use clear capsules for most products. That’s why a lot of brands don’t.

The brands you mentioned are good too. I’m just explaining the above for anyone interested.
 
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Some ingredients settle more in capsules than others. It’s kind of like the statement on the potato chip bags - by weight, not volume. Of course though no matter how much anyone tries, there’s going to be a capsule here or there that’s going to be off.

One reason that’s more noticeable with Now is they use clear capsules for most products. That’s why a lot of brands don’t.

The brands you mentioned are good too. I’m just explaining the above for anyone interested.
I know the following question is unrelated to the thread, but your industry insights are always appreciated. You mentioned how there’s always going to a capsule here or there’s that’s off. Let’s say a company has a stimulant product in pill form. How likely is it that a stray pill or two is going to be overstuffed? And I’m thinking more in the context of maybe some exotic stimulant that some people respond to poorly.

My assumption would be this is rare, as companies optimize capsule size (0, 00, etc.) to be as well fitting as possible for the ingredient serving size, therefore the likelihood is that a stray pill or two may be slightly underdosed as opposed to over.

Just curious.
 
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Some ingredients settle more in capsules than others. It’s kind of like the statement on the potato chip bags - by weight, not volume. Of course though no matter how much anyone tries, there’s going to be a capsule here or there that’s going to be off.

One reason that’s more noticeable with Now is they use clear capsules for most products. That’s why a lot of brands don’t.

The brands you mentioned are good too. I’m just explaining the above for anyone interested.
That might be the case for some of them but some it would have been impossible to settle that much. I’m talking one cap full to the brim of powder and another cap having enough powder to barely coat the bottom of the cap if stood vertically
 
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That might be the case for some of them but some it would have been impossible to settle that much. I’m talking one cap full to the brim of powder and another cap having enough powder to barely coat the bottom of the cap if stood vertically
It's unfortunate when things like that happen but it truly can happen to any brand from time to time. Capsules are filled by machines and no matter how good of quality controls are implemented, there can be an errant capsule here and there. With brands like NOW that use clear capsules, its a lot more noticeable. I've had the same thing happen to me with Optimum Nutrition back when they made more capsule products - I had several capsules in a bottle of one of their old multi-vitamins that were partially filled and close to empty. But I still did/do trust their quality.

I have no interest in defending NOW one way or the other, I just give insights from industry experience on things that happen. I can say also that if you look at NOW's history of FDA inspections, everything always comes out top notch. NOW has even done recalls over the years just over label wording that most other companies wouldn't have even thought anything about; so I think they definitely do try. I do like the other brands you listed too, but NOW is my go to brand for most of my basic vitamin products myself.
 
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I know the following question is unrelated to the thread, but your industry insights are always appreciated. You mentioned how there’s always going to a capsule here or there’s that’s off. Let’s say a company has a stimulant product in pill form. How likely is it that a stray pill or two is going to be overstuffed? And I’m thinking more in the context of maybe some exotic stimulant that some people respond to poorly.

My assumption would be this is rare, as companies optimize capsule size (0, 00, etc.) to be as well fitting as possible for the ingredient serving size, therefore the likelihood is that a stray pill or two may be slightly underdosed as opposed to over.

Just curious.
You are correct in that it would be more likely to be under-dosed than over-dosed.

To answer the question, I have to make a distinction between overdosed and overstuffed.
- Overstuffed - the typical maximum volume for a size 0 capsule is approximately 500 mg. and for a 00 capsule is approximately 750 to 800 mg. Most companies are going to use that total weight between active ingredients and excipients/other ingredients to fill the capsule out; so the idea of it being overstuffed is highly unlikely.
- Overdosed - this could happen from the mixer instead of the capsule press and could in theory happen, especially if the place doing the actual manufacturing doesn't have good equipment, do the proper maintenance on the equipment, or keep it calibrated properly.

The issue I would worry about more is when it comes to companies selling/using questionable ingredients. Now days, most GMP compliant facilities won't touch them so that leaves certain companies using manufacturing facilities that aren't compliant or doing the encapsulation themselves and there is a ton of different possible things that could go wrong in that scenario.
 
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It's unfortunate when things like that happen but it truly can happen to any brand from time to time. Capsules are filled by machines and no matter how good of quality controls are implemented, there can be an errant capsule here and there. With brands like NOW that use clear capsules, its a lot more noticeable. I've had the same thing happen to me with Optimum Nutrition back when they made more capsule products - I had several capsules in a bottle of one of their old multi-vitamins that were partially filled and close to empty. But I still did/do trust their quality.

I have no interest in defending NOW one way or the other, I just give insights from industry experience on things that happen. I can say also that if you look at NOW's history of FDA inspections, everything always comes out top notch. NOW has even done recalls over the years just over label wording that most other companies wouldn't have even thought anything about; so I think they definitely do try. I do like the other brands you listed too, but NOW is my go to brand for most of my basic vitamin products myself.
That’s good to know and I appreciate the insight because they have so many things and such good pricing. I still use them so it gives me more
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I know the following question is unrelated to the thread, but your industry insights are always appreciated. You mentioned how there’s always going to a capsule here or there’s that’s off. Let’s say a company has a stimulant product in pill form. How likely is it that a stray pill or two is going to be overstuffed? And I’m thinking more in the context of maybe some exotic stimulant that some people respond to poorly.

My assumption would be this is rare, as companies optimize capsule size (0, 00, etc.) to be as well fitting as possible for the ingredient serving size, therefore the likelihood is that a stray pill or two may be slightly underdosed as opposed to over.

Just curious.
i used to work in a plant that made blue bonnet margarine. the tubs were all filled by machine, when the machine hits a tub just fraction of an inch off, lets say from a bent bowl then machine jams up. after you clean up mess all the bowls that were in the process of being filled are supposed to be cleared out, but if you have a lazy operator who is behind on production sometimes those partially filled bowls go thru and get shipped out...i would say the same kind of process is used to fill capsules...it was the same when i worked for international paper, when we had a jam up there would be boxes in the process of being folded and the gluer doesn't hit those boxes, when they get to factory boxes that haven't been glued can cause quite the mess.
 
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Any updates @sns8778 ?
Thanks for asking. The formula is finalized, labels are done, and product is in line to be manufactured. I'm not sure of an ETA for it quite yet bc we have so many products that one of our issues sometimes is our own products have to get in front of things like this to keep them in stock. If I had to guess, I would say 4 to 6 weeks.
 
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Just checking in on this one again @sns8778
Thanks. It's in production as we speak.

We have so many products and are coming out with so many products that we run into cases where our own stuff keeps bumping our own stuff back and we have to prioritize and lay out production runs for the next couple of weeks and its finally in them. I would expect to see finished product within 3 to 4 weeks if all goes well.

The reason that sometimes things take longer is that we only use contract manufacturers that follow proper GMP protocols so its more to it than just running products back to back on a machine. It leads to more delays and things do take longer, but its the right way to do it and the way that everyone is supposed to now days.
 
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In the mean time enjoy the new joint XT :)
 
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I like to see "Helios" on the label of my curcumin!! lulz, j/k ... on a serious note... my input would be massive dose, and something (s) to get it through the gut. Im talking like 1g servings.
 
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I like to see "Helios" on the label of my curcumin!! lulz, j/k ... on a serious note... my input would be massive dose, and something (s) to get it through the gut. Im talking like 1g servings.
I don't like talking about competing products in our threads. If someone's looking for a transdermal product, this isn't the thread for them.

But if someone is looking for likely the most advanced oral curcumin product that's been released that contains clinically researched key ingredients and targets multiple absorption technologies and pathways, they're in the right place :)
 
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Hurry up, I'm gonna need to order soon. lol
Doing the best I can on this one haha.

I'm very excited about this one myself and I think that most other people will be as well when they see the formula :)
 
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most advanced oral curcumin product that's been released that contains clinically researched key ingredients and targets multiple absorption technologies and pathways
yes this ^^ in huge doses.. I cant remember the brand but i used to get a great product, not mainstream, that was super high dose and maybe bioprene or similar in it.. it was too expensive, back then. Maybe a bigger company like yours could have better buying power to make something similar with a better price point. Orally I don't get the desired effects until I am eating a minimum of 2g per day.. I like to split the dose but I wouldn't want to dose all day or add another handful of pills to my daily intake. I think, and I have been beating this like a dead horse for a month of Sundays.. somebody do it right with maybe a 1-2 pill 1g dose with a decent price point, and it will sell. and I think the market reach is far beyond BBing circles.
 
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yes this ^^ in huge doses.. I cant remember the brand but i used to get a great product, not mainstream, that was super high dose and maybe bioprene or similar in it.. it was too expensive, back then. Maybe a bigger company like yours could have better buying power to make something similar with a better price point. Orally I don't get the desired effects until I am eating a minimum of 2g per day.. I like to split the dose but I wouldn't want to dose all day or add another handful of pills to my daily intake. I think, and I have been beating this like a dead horse for a month of Sundays.. somebody do it right with maybe a 1-2 pill 1g dose with a decent price point, and it will sell. and I think the market reach is far beyond BBing circles.
The reason that some (most) curcumin products need to be mega dosed is the absorption issues. That won't be the case with this product at all. This won't require 2 grams per day. You cold use 2 grams per day if you wanted, but it would be overkill and not necessary imo. The recommended maximum dose will be 2 capsules per day of this.

I agree that the market reach for this is way beyond bodybuilding circles; with all of our Health Series products, we want to of course help our bodybuilding customers but also expand way beyond that as well bc this, and our other Health Series releases, will be able to help so many different types of people.
 
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I settled for a type: Filipino........................I stand by my decision. lol
I haven't tried that type yet. Want to send me a sample? :ROFLMAO:
 
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ETA? I'm getting low.
I can confirm that it is in either this or next weeks production runs.

We have so many products, the way things work for us is that we basically have x amount of product runs per week that have to get prioritized. Elite Curcumin is in this current bracket so it should be done either this or next week. So that should translate into releasing with within the next 3 weeks.
 

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