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Lying about numbers makes accurate analysis and decision making impossible. That is irrefutably a BAD thing. Also, if you can’t trust your government to tell the truth with the things they make public here, then all hope truly is lost, and we’re akin to China, who claims to have hardly any deaths.

I agree, but same goes with trusting them to save us with their decision making processes and taking the power away from people to make their own adult choices also equates to hope being truly lost. Government is primarily a lying sack of shyt.
 
For example, if you open a state and have 5,000 deaths, but only claim 2,500, other states may look at your numbers and say that they will also open their state, but you fed them bad info, and now they have twice as many deaths as they expected. You f**ked them over by feeding them incorrect info, and hindering their ability to make informed and accurate decisions. This is NOT a good thing. If you think you should open your state, use actual, real numbers to justify it, that way accurate analysis and decision making can be done...

The better way to look at it is who the hell are they to shut society in the first place? Most of them could care less if you die.
 
For example, if you open a state and have 5,000 deaths, but only claim 2,500, other states may look at your numbers and say that they will also open their state, but you fed them bad info, and now they have twice as many deaths as they expected. You f**ked them over by feeding them incorrect info, and hindering their ability to make informed and accurate decisions. This is NOT a good thing. If you think you should open your state, use actual, real numbers to justify it, that way accurate analysis and decision making can be done...

And that’s what you get when your a big government goblin, a load of endless shyt and disappointment.
 
I agree, but same goes with trusting them to save us with their decision making processes and taking the power away from people to make their own adult choices also equates to hope being truly lost. Government is primarily a lying sack of shyt.
But how can we the people know if we agree with their decision making processes if they feed us bulls**t info man? It’s really simple, I don’t see what you’re missing. We can’t know if they’re making good or bad decisions to keep things closed or open them back up unless we have accurate data!

And that’s what you get when your a big government goblin, a load of endless shyt and disappointment.
What does this even mean man? I don’t trust the government, and I know you don’t either, but you seem fine, happy even, that they are lying to your face? A bit hypocritical IMO...

The better way to look at it is who the hell are they to shut society in the first place? Most of them could care less if you die.
So you think there’s never a time to limit travel/business during a pandemic?
 
The GOP Governors in their respective states are lying about the numbers and people will die.
Their blood is on their hands along with Trump.

"Georgia governor forced to apologize for releasing fake numbers on Coronavirus infections"
Now do Florida.

We need another Sherman
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So you think there’s never a time to limit travel/business during a pandemic?

Yeah absolutely is a time to limit travel/business. If there is something going on government can inform the public and try to back their facts and people along with private companies can respond from there. For example, if the movie theaters open tomorrow, here in NY I am not going. It shouldnt be dictated by the government, but if they want to stay home please do.
 
But how can we the people know if we agree with their decision making processes if they feed us bulls**t info man? It’s really simple, I don’t see what you’re missing. We can’t know if they’re making good or bad decisions to keep things closed or open them back up unless we have accurate data!

Thats what they should do, absolutely. I just think people need to be careful what they are told. Id rather have private companies inform the public, not a centralized government division and government can do their own thing with their own stamp on it. People can choose who to go by, if they trust the government listen to them. They are all free to share data and source each other.
 
Yeah absolutely is a time to limit travel/business. If there is something going on government can inform the public and try to back their facts and people along with private companies can respond from there. For example, if the movie theaters open tomorrow, here in NY I am not going. It shouldnt be dictated by the government, but if they want to stay home please do.

Except we're living in a time when facts are questioned and even called lies. You've done it yourself with school shootings, so how is that a plan? People don't believe actual experts and call talking heads on their preferred news channel the actual "experts." The so-called adults in this country have shown that they can't act like adults, so they've earned this.

Also, this isn't just a US thing. It cracks me up that people seem to think the entire world is participating in a lie just for US politics.
 
Except we're living in a time when facts are questioned and even called lies. You've done it yourself with school shootings, so how is that a plan? People don't believe actual experts and call talking heads on their preferred news channel the actual "experts." The so-called adults in this country have shown that they can't act like adults, so they've earned this.

Also, this isn't just a US thing. It cracks me up that people seem to think the entire world is participating in a lie just for US politics.

Government doesnt have a whole load of credibility, they destroyed it.

We need to do a better job giving independent experts a better platform to have their voices heard. More importantly, Dump needs to be taken out of office, he is a total dipshyt ahole and its hard to take government seriously these days. I cant believe Im saying this, but King Cumho would have been the best leader to inform the public Nationally during this time....he backs his stuff up with facts, refers to experts and often steps back when its above his pay grade.
 
Except we're living in a time when facts are questioned and even called lies. You've done it yourself with school shootings, so how is that a plan? People don't believe actual experts and call talking heads on their preferred news channel the actual "experts." The so-called adults in this country have shown that they can't act like adults, so they've earned this.

Also, this isn't just a US thing. It cracks me up that people seem to think the entire world is participating in a lie just for US politics.

Havent agreed with a post this much in a long time.

Its pretty fuggin sad how ignorant the global society has shown to be.

1. Governments lying all over the world. About data that we ALL need in order to make an informed decision on how to proceed with this situation just in order to try and save their own political asses, nonetheless.
2. Adults turning a legit disease into a political talking point.
3. Adults acting as if said disease is just completely made up and even worse yet showing how gullible they are by latching onto some of these outrageous conspiracy theories.
4. Adults refusing to play their part in trying to prevent the spread of said disease (which i guess can be partially explained by the lack of belief in the disease in the first place). *Before I get my head ripped off - im not talking about the quarantine and shut down. Im talking about taking proper precautions to limit spread upon returning to quasi normal activities. The blatant disregard for other human life is inexcusable.*
5. Adults coming out with conspiracy theories with the sole intention of padding their pockets directly or indirectly through the acquisition of a “following” on SM.

Ive missed a bunch im sure, but thats just what came off the top of my head.
 
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We need to do a better job giving independent experts a better platform to have their voices heard.....

.....he backs his stuff up with facts, refers to experts and often steps back when its above his pay grade.

What OUTRAGEOUS ideas!
 
Government doesnt have a whole load of credibility, they destroyed it.

We need to do a better job giving independent experts a better platform to have their voices heard. More importantly, Dump needs to be taken out of office, he is a total dipshyt ahole and its hard to take government seriously these days. I cant believe Im saying this, but King Cumho would have been the best leader to inform the public Nationally during this time....he backs his stuff up with facts, refers to experts and often steps back when its above his pay grade.

That's not the entire problem though. If we had a rational leader who based decisions on facts and logic, you'd still have people cramming into Hobby Lobby without a mask in sight because they think "freedom" gives them a blank check to do whatever they want. That's not how an adult should act or think; it's how a 3 year old acts and thinks. But that's where we currently are in this country.
 
Lying about numbers makes accurate analysis and decision making impossible. That is irrefutably a BAD thing. Also, if you can’t trust your government to tell the truth with the things they make public here, then all hope truly is lost, and we’re akin to China, who claims to have hardly any deaths.
the older i get the less i trust the government to be truthful about anything.
 
That's not the entire problem though. If we had a rational leader who based decisions on facts and logic, you'd still have people cramming into Hobby Lobby without a mask in sight because they think "freedom" gives them a blank check to do whatever they want. That's not how an adult should act or think; it's how a 3 year old acts and thinks. But that's where we currently are in this country.

I think Hobby Lobby should enforce those rules in their private property.

Perhaps if you wanted to go enforce social distancing and protective gear in a public place that’s a fair compromise....I can live with that I already volunteer, it’s a smart move.

My big honest beef really is how long and hard the shutdowns were, it all started off only because the hospitals couldn’t meet projected capacity, So fine do you what you gotta do.....and then it became bigger and much more prolonged than that.
 
I think Hobby Lobby should enforce those rules in their private property.

Perhaps if you wanted to go enforce social distancing and protective gear in a public place that’s a fair compromise....I can live with that I already volunteer, it’s a smart move.

My big honest beef really is how long and hard the shutdowns were, it all started off only because the hospitals couldn’t meet projected capacity, So fine do you what you gotta do.....and then it became bigger and much more prolonged than that.

Why are you acting like we don't all read this thread lol. You have said repeatedly that you don't believe in wearing a mask and only do so because you don't want to stand out...if I am misquoting you, please correct me.

One store here and there is not going to help. And if you leave it up to the individual stores, even the ones that start off making customers wear masks or whatever will eventually stop. They'll be competing with other stores that don't make their customers wear masks and will eventually drop their rules to get more customers. As for the hospitals, the virus is still here and hospitals still can't handle the influx.

And this doesn't apply to you but reminded me of something...It's amusing to me how so many people who are now in favor of stores being able to do what they want in their stores were the same ones acting like the world was ending when Target wanted to control their own bathrooms.
 
Why are you acting like we don't all read this thread lol. You have said repeatedly that you don't believe in wearing a mask and only do so because you don't want to stand out...if I am misquoting you, please correct me.

One store here and there is not going to help. And if you leave it up to the individual stores, even the ones that start off making customers wear masks or whatever will eventually stop. They'll be competing with other stores that don't make their customers wear masks and will eventually drop their rules to get more customers. As for the hospitals, the virus is still here and hospitals still can't handle the influx.

And this doesn't apply to you but reminded me of something...It's amusing to me how so many people who are now in favor of stores being able to do what they want in their stores were the same ones acting like the world was ending when Target wanted to control their own bathrooms.
You mean the same people saying how it’s unfair for Facebook to ban/block certain topics/ideas/people? They’re a private company, so they should have the right to do that, no? Both sides are so hypocritical, but the right is the one really showing that during this pandemic.

Like the preppers who claim they can last years in their bunker eating canned foods, but when they have to stay in their houses for a few months, but can still go for walks and to the grocery store, and have WiFi, they cry how they desperately NEED a haircut and a new tattoo.

I think Hobby Lobby should enforce those rules in their private property.

Perhaps if you wanted to go enforce social distancing and protective gear in a public place that’s a fair compromise....I can live with that I already volunteer, it’s a smart move.

My big honest beef really is how long and hard the shutdowns were, it all started off only because the hospitals couldn’t meet projected capacity, So fine do you what you gotta do.....and then it became bigger and much more prolonged than that.
The government absolutely has the right to enforce occupancy rules on private property. They’ve done it forever with fire codes and maximum occupancy limits. Saying a private company should be able to do ANYTHING they want on private property is silly, and has NEVER been a thing in the US. And I’m pretty damn libertarian leaning, but that’s just a silly argument.

If private companies should be able to have as many people as they want, and do anything they want, in normal times, we should abolish maximum occupancy codes, right? If a building currently coded for 100 people wants to cram in 1,000, that’s their right? Who cares if there’s a fire and they all die, right?

the older i get the less i trust the government to be truthful about anything.
Yes, but then you should be calling them out on it, not praising them for it, like ax seems to be doing.

That's not the entire problem though. If we had a rational leader who based decisions on facts and logic, you'd still have people cramming into Hobby Lobby without a mask in sight because they think "freedom" gives them a blank check to do whatever they want. That's not how an adult should act or think; it's how a 3 year old acts and thinks. But that's where we currently are in this country.
It’s like in elementary school when the class has to be quiet for 5 minutes, but a few idiots won’t shut up, and it ends up taking 30 minutes. Idiots extend the time that stricter measures will need to be in place.

Except we're living in a time when facts are questioned and even called lies. You've done it yourself with school shootings, so how is that a plan? People don't believe actual experts and call talking heads on their preferred news channel the actual "experts." The so-called adults in this country have shown that they can't act like adults, so they've earned this.

Also, this isn't just a US thing. It cracks me up that people seem to think the entire world is participating in a lie just for US politics.
Exactly. Every country on earth more or less is in on this together? Even countries that are enemies? If it was BS, surely an enemy of the US would just make that known, and spread the seeds of distrust people have in their government. It’s as silly as people claim the earth is flat and NASA is tricking the US people. If that was true, why wouldn’t Russia or China show us that the earth is actually flat, which would destroy the US population’s trust in their government.

Thats what they should do, absolutely. I just think people need to be careful what they are told. Id rather have private companies inform the public, not a centralized government division and government can do their own thing with their own stamp on it. People can choose who to go by, if they trust the government listen to them. They are all free to share data and source each other.
They need to be careful of what the government tells them because people like YOU praise them for giving the people incorrect info...

Yeah absolutely is a time to limit travel/business. If there is something going on government can inform the public and try to back their facts and people along with private companies can respond from there. For example, if the movie theaters open tomorrow, here in NY I am not going. It shouldnt be dictated by the government, but if they want to stay home please do.
Except you’re defending the government NOT informing the public and backing their facts... you’re actively praising them for lying to the people with incorrect data...
 
I think Hobby Lobby should enforce those rules in their private property.

Perhaps if you wanted to go enforce social distancing and protective gear in a public place that’s a fair compromise....I can live with that I already volunteer, it’s a smart move.

My big honest beef really is how long and hard the shutdowns were, it all started off only because the hospitals couldn’t meet projected capacity, So fine do you what you gotta do.....and then it became bigger and much more prolonged than that.

And it should be up to each individual whether they pee in the swimming pool! Those who don't want to swim in piss, should just stay out of every pool ever.
 
Why are you acting like we don't all read this thread lol. You have said repeatedly that you don't believe in wearing a mask and only do so because you don't want to stand out...if I am misquoting you, please correct me.

One store here and there is not going to help. And if you leave it up to the individual stores, even the ones that start off making customers wear masks or whatever will eventually stop. They'll be competing with other stores that don't make their customers wear masks and will eventually drop their rules to get more customers. As for the hospitals, the virus is still here and hospitals still can't handle the influx.

And this doesn't apply to you but reminded me of something...It's amusing to me how so many people who are now in favor of stores being able to do what they want in their stores were the same ones acting like the world was ending when Target wanted to control their own bathrooms.

I’m convinced that it’s a smart move to protect others from getting it from a reduction of spraying spit mist on counters or having a sudden natural cough for example. On a personal level unless your wearing a proper mask, not touch it inappropriately and cycle them out it’s not going to help and may be riskier if your not good with your hands.
 
And it should be up to each individual whether they pee in the swimming pool! Those who don't want to swim in piss, should just stay out of every pool ever.

I don’t think laws ever stopped anyone, but I rarely like to go to public pools.
 
The government absolutely has the right to enforce occupancy rules on private property. They’ve done it forever with fire codes and maximum occupancy limits. Saying a private company should be able to do ANYTHING they want on private property is silly, and has NEVER been a thing in the US. And I’m pretty damn libertarian leaning, but that’s just a silly argument.

They dont have a right for my approval, thats all I care.

They need to be careful of what the government tells them because people like YOU praise them for giving the people incorrect info...

Praise them? Who me??? ROFL, Im the most consistant dont even believe the government even if they tell you the sun raises up in the morning and sets at night kinda guy.

Except you’re defending the government NOT informing the public and backing their facts... you’re actively praising them for lying to the people with incorrect data...

Maybe I didnt clarify my statements clearly enough. I never defended them for lying. What did I say that made you think I was defending them for lying?
 
I’m convinced that it’s a smart move to protect others from getting it from a reduction of spraying spit mist on counters or having a sudden natural cough for example. On a personal level unless your wearing a proper mask, not touch it inappropriately and cycle them out it’s not going to help and may be riskier if your not good with your hands.
people in china and other asian countries have been wearing wearing masks for decades when ill with cold or flu to protect others from catching cold or flu--I shouldn't have to tell YOU this, lol.
 
I’m convinced that it’s a smart move to protect others from getting it from a reduction of spraying spit mist on counters or having a sudden natural cough for example. On a personal level unless your wearing a proper mask, not touch it inappropriately and cycle them out it’s not going to help and may be riskier if your not good with your hands.

Riskier based on what? Since we're using facts
 
They dont have a right for my approval, thats all I care.



Praise them? Who me??? ROFL, Im the most consistant dont even believe the government even if they tell you the sun raises up in the morning and sets at night kinda guy.



Maybe I didnt clarify my statements clearly enough. I never defended them for lying. What did I say that made you think I was defending them for lying?
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The GOP Governors in their respective states are lying about the numbers and people will die.
Their blood is on their hands along with Trump.

"Georgia governor forced to apologize for releasing fake numbers on Coronavirus infections"
Now do Florida.

To which you directly responded;

At the same time they are also saving alot of lives and people's livelihoods.

How can this be interpreted as anything other than an attempt to justify their actions, claiming that their lying to the people is “also saving alot of lives and people’s livelihoods?”

If that’s not what you meant, then I’d say you expressed yourself poorly my friend.
 
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To which you directly responded;



How can this be interpreted as anything other than an attempt to justify their actions, claiming that their lying to the people is “also saving alot if lives and people’s livelihoods?”

If that’s not what you meant, then I’d say you expressed yourself poorly my friend.

Yes I did express myself poorly, thats on me. What I meant was the indirect consequences of letting it go will save lives and livelihoods in others ways.

I actually dont think they give a crap if 80% of the population dies tomorrow if thats what keeps them in power.
 
people in china and other asian countries have been wearing wearing masks for decades when ill with cold or flu to protect others from catching cold or flu--I shouldn't have to tell YOU this, lol.

I have seen that for many years but I actually just assumed that they wanted to protect themselves. Maybe Im wrong, I never asked.

My cousin wore one when we went to the desert last year because she wanted to protect her face from getting dark.
 
Touching something contaminated and then touching your face to fix the mask or pulling it on and off. Increased contact exposure.

that's theoretical and not really logical because there is less contaminated surfaces. Masks work even with the theoretical outliers you're suggesting.
 
I have seen that for many years but I actually just assumed that they wanted to protect themselves. Maybe Im wrong, I never asked.

My cousin wore one when we went to the desert last year because she wanted to protect her face from getting dark.
you should ask...Asian culture is very considerate minded, at least it was when I lived in southeast asia….if a person in a public place was coughing or sneezing and not wearing a mask this would be considered rude and socially unacceptable.

this country is losing it's consideration for others, it might be that way in other countries also, I haven't been overseas in many years.
 
Yes I did express myself poorly, thats on me. What I meant was the indirect consequences of letting it go will save lives and livelihoods in others ways.

I actually dont think they give a crap if 80% of the population dies tomorrow if thats what keeps them in power.
Ok, no worries. I’m not going to argue the merits of staying limited vs opening up more, but I’m just saying we should base these decisions on REAL/ACCURATE data, not on false data designed to trick the people into doing one thing or another.
 
I don’t think laws ever stopped anyone, but I rarely like to go to public pools.

So you think everyone's just pissing in the pool regardless of the rule? You've never seen someone jump out of the pool and go running for the bathroom???

I think in general, people do follow most laws or at least use them as a guideline even if they don't strictly adhere ie a speed limit won't make most people go 55 but it will stop a lot of them from going 90.
 
So you think everyone's just pissing in the pool regardless of the rule? You've never seen someone jump out of the pool and go running for the bathroom???

I think in general, people do follow most laws or at least use them as a guideline even if they don't strictly adhere ie a speed limit won't make most people go 55 but it will stop a lot of them from going 90.

I never accused everybody from peeing in the pool, but I think it’s naive to think people all follow these rules especially children. A law isn’t going to stop people from doing so, it’s impossible. Good education will help though.

I think traffic enforcement is different, I mean I don’t think there are police scuba divers on alert for any signs of yellow.
 
So you think everyone's just pissing in the pool regardless of the rule? You've never seen someone jump out of the pool and go running for the bathroom???

I think in general, people do follow most laws or at least use them as a guideline even if they don't strictly adhere ie a speed limit won't make most people go 55 but it will stop a lot of them from going 90.
what I find ironic and hypocritical is the pot laws...most of the lawmakers opposed to legalization are baby boomers [like me] who were in college in late 60's 70's...there was so much pot being smoked on college campuses back then it could have depleted the ozone layer.

if there was a way to check I bet many of those now opposed to legalization were on the list for NORML back then!
 
you should ask...Asian culture is very considerate minded, at least it was when I lived in southeast asia….if a person in a public place was coughing or sneezing and not wearing a mask this would be considered rude and socially unacceptable.

this country is losing it's consideration for others, it might be that way in other countries also, I haven't been overseas in many years.
I never accused everybody from peeing in the pool, but I think it’s naive to think people all follow these rules especially children. A law isn’t going to stop people from doing so, it’s impossible. Good education will help though.

I think traffic enforcement is different, I mean I don’t think there are police scuba divers on alert for any signs of yellow.

You said you didn't think the rule "ever stopped anyone."

While there are no police in scuba gear, there are consequences if you're caught peeing in the pool. Like speeding it's a matter of how much you think you can get away with.
 
what I find ironic and hypocritical is the pot laws...most of the lawmakers opposed to legalization are baby boomers [like me] who were in college in late 60's 70's...there was so much pot being smoked on college campuses back then it could have depleted the ozone layer.

if there was a way to check I bet many of those now opposed to legalization were on the list for NORML back then!

Yeah, I love you man but your generation loves closing the door behind you.
 
You said you didn't think the rule "ever stopped anyone."

While there are no police in scuba gear, there are consequences if you're caught peeing in the pool. Like speeding it's a matter of how much you think you can get away with.

Are people getting arrested for peeing in a pool? What did I miss?
 
Yeah, I love you man but your generation loves closing the door behind you.
trust me every generation has it's cross to bear....
after all is said and done my generation were the original modern day PROGRESSIVE'S. it is too easy to judge any generation in hindsight. can you imagine what our parents coming off ww2 thought of us, lol.
 
Every generation thinks it’s both superior to the previous and also the next, that’s the truth!
so true...baby boomers thought we were superior to our parents and look at the sacrifices they made during ww2.

lol...baby boomer parents have been considered the GREATEST GENERATION, and we dogged them...just like todays generation dogs us and todays generation will have kids who dog them.
 
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My father's generation; and his father's generation, I have great respect for.
Maybe that's what needs to be passed down?

It's not about technology because that always moves forward, but does it really move us forward?
 
My father's generation; and his father's generation, I have great respect for.
Maybe that's what needs to be passed down?

It's not about technology because that always moves forward, but does it really move us forward?
lol...your fathers generation are trumps biggest base. ironic-eh?
 
lol...your fathers generation are trumps biggest base. ironic-eh?

It is, but my father was no fan, nor his brother, so I suppose you can't define an entire generation based on your assertion now can you? Isn't that where the latest generation fails? They lump an entire generation under one umbrella statement and discard all they have done for the betterment of the next?
 
I just think it’s funny how a ton of people consider people who are 16-21 today to be “millennials,” even though it’s really for people born between 1981 and 1996, which means millennials are, today, ~24-39 years old.
 
It is, but my father was no fan, nor his brother, so I suppose you can't define an entire generation based on your assertion now can you? Isn't that where the latest generation fails? They lump an entire generation under one umbrella statement and discard all they have done for the betterment of the next?
sorry to bust your bubble...it wasn't a assertion but a fact!!!

your father and his brother might be exceptions but that doesn't change the fact that the generation you claim to have respect for are trumps base of support.
 
I just think it’s funny how a ton of people consider people who are 16-21 today to be “millennials,” even though it’s really for people born between 1981 and 1996, which means millennials are, today, ~24-39 years old.
I think I remember reading a article which said that as millennials start families, buy houses and grow older they also become more conservative?

is my memory correct or do you disagree?
 
sorry to bust your bubble...it wasn't a assertion but a fact!!!

your father and his brother might be exceptions but that doesn't change the fact that the generation you claim to have respect for are trumps base of support.
You can respect someone and still disagree with their political opinions. Not really sure what point you’re trying to make. Hell, hypothetically you can respect the hell out of someone and still think they’re rather unintelligent.
 
You can respect someone and still disagree with their political opinions. Not really sure what point you’re trying to make. Hell, hypothetically you can respect the hell out of someone and still think they’re rather unintelligent.
I wasn't speaking in terms of individuals but as a generation as a whole.
 
I just think it’s funny how a ton of people consider people who are 16-21 today to be “millennials,” even though it’s really for people born between 1981 and 1996, which means millennials are, today, ~24-39 years old.

Fortunately I missed the mark by 4 years, I hate that label, lol
 
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