Donald Trump running for president

[nostrum420]

They claim unemployment rate dropped from quantitative easing but what they source is simply the labor source. That doesnt mean people didnt get jobs, it can mean they simply phased out of the labor force...or on the other hand doesnt indicate how many jobs are more Slavlandia jobs rather than having a free market where a large population of middle class business prosper....since the quantitative scam more middle class has been wiped and the bigs got bigger and this country will be named "The Holy Land of Slavlandia" do to the big government fascist hooligans society supports and props up.

The end of that graph is frightening by the way.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

data.bls.gov

You object to slavelandia jobs but also object to holding employers accountable for paying a living wage?

Yes, the end of the graph is the current unemployment level. Now, how is free market economics gonna work this out?

 

[ax1]

You object to slavelandia jobs but also object to holding employers accountable for paying a living wage?

Yes, the end of the graph is the current unemployment level. Now, how is free market economics gonna work this out?

How can many employers pay a living wage when the fruits of their business is stolen away from them in the first place, and then make in account that the government then robs almost a 3rd of what they pay their employees via gunpoint? Then they gotta pay half their social security, insurance and other bullcrap.

Top it off with people cant maintain a living wage since the value of their money gets diminished every year.

Maybe its not the money people make, maybe the right question is why is life so expensive? Or why do so many poor people buy cable television, get their hair done and wear Jordans?

 

[ax1]

Yeah, we all have to barter now, right? No, the dollar is more or less fine.

Fine is not good enough.

 

[nostrum420]

How can many employers pay a living wage when the fruits of their business is stolen away from them in the first place, and then make in account that the government then robs almost a 3rd of what they pay their employees via gunpoint? Then they gotta pay half their social security, insurance and other bullcrap.

Top it off with people cant maintain a living wage since the value of their money gets diminished every year.

Maybe its not the money people make, maybe the right question is why is life so expensive? Or why do so many poor people buy cable television, get their hair done and wear Jordans?

Those employers enjoy the infrastructure provided for by the Gov. and would not be as profitable without it; they can pay taxes to maintain said infrastructure.

If you want the Gov. to be able to do anything whatsoever, they have to be able to enforce consequences. So, the whole "at gunpoint" thing is silly. Any law that's actually being enforced is being "at gunpoint" in your words. The alternative is no Gov. or a toothless one and then the local thug or gang has you at gunpoint.

Show me an economic system with zero inflation. I'll wait.

Poor people waste money on frivolities because they don't think they have a chance to ever not be poor so if they get a little cash they try to have a little fun before they die.

 

[nostrum420]

Fine is not good enough.

Again, show me that zero inflation currency that we should model our system after.

 

[ax1]

Those employers enjoy the infrastructure provided for by the Gov. and would not be as profitable without it; they can pay taxes to maintain said infrastructure.

If you want the Gov. to be able to do anything whatsoever, they have to be able to enforce consequences. So, the whole "at gunpoint" thing is silly. Any law that's actually being enforced is being "at gunpoint" in your words. The alternative is no Gov. or a toothless one and then the local thug or gang has you at gunpoint.

Show me an economic system with zero inflation. I'll wait.

Poor people waste money on frivolities because they don't think they have a chance to ever not be poor so if they get a little cash they try to have a little fun before they die.

They already pay tax, they pay real estate tax and when they purchase stuff at the store or product whether its for personal use or business they pay sales tax that pays for infrastructure and defense.

What you want is to punish people for their productive behavior, and then punish them further by punishing the very people you claim deserve a living wage and dictate immoral wage laws on the employer and make up for what they already handed out and was stolen.

I know what its like to be poor, broke and homeless. Sometimes you just gotta take personal responsiblity for yourself to pick yourself up. What poor people want to do with their money is their right and business, but they dont have to right to just steal it from people who earned it through their own productivity. Its called growing up, at some point people have to do it.

 

[ax1]

Again, show me that zero inflation currency that we should model our system after.

I never claimed an economic system with zero inflation. I claimed that if you print money out of thin air you cause unecessary inflation and rip society off by indirectly taxing them to help make up the fiscal irresponsibilities and mass corruption of government along with banker/corporate/fascist spending.

 

[nostrum420]

I never claimed an economic system with zero inflation. I claimed that if you print money out of thin air you cause unecessary inflation and rip society off by indirectly taxing them to help make up the fiscal irresponsibilities and mass corruption of government along with banker/corporate/fascist spending.

Ok, show me a currency that doesn't have a Gov. or other authority to print it. Any money that's coined, is coined "out of thin air." It's all a matter of whether or not you think the issuer has assets. I think the US Gov. has assets.

If your ideal system has inflation, what causes that inflation? What are acceptable causes of inflation in your view?

 

[ax1]

Ok, show me a currency that doesn't have a Gov. or other authority to print it. Any money that's coined, is coined "out of thin air." It's all a matter of whether or not you think the issuer has assets. I think the US Gov. has assets.

If your ideal system has inflation, what causes that inflation? What are acceptable causes of inflation in your view?

You can look into before FDR prior to the gold heist if you feel like researching this, and also the School of Austrian Economics.

 

[nostrum420]

They already pay tax, they pay real estate tax and when they purchase stuff at the store or product whether its for personal use or business they pay sales tax that pays for infrastructure and defense.

What you want is to punish people for their productive behavior, and then punish them further by punishing the very people you claim deserve a living wage and dictate immoral wage laws on the employer and make up for what they already handed out and was stolen.

I know what its like to be poor, broke and homeless. Sometimes you just gotta take personal responsiblity for yourself to pick yourself up. What poor people want to do with their money is their right and business, but they dont have to right to just steal it from people who earned it through their own productivity. Its called growing up, at some point people have to do it.

If you only have use taxes, they're going to end up being exorbitant or you're going to have a budget deficit.

 

[nostrum420]

You can look into before FDR prior to the gold heist if you feel like researching this, and also the School of Austrian Economics.

Again, backing a currency with only one type of asset is silly and will destabilize global geo-politics the same way oil does now.

I'm familiar with Austrian Economics... we all see what an economic powerhouse Austria currently is, so...........

 

[ax1]

If you only have use taxes, they're going to end up being exorbitant or you're going to have a budget deficit.

Thats just part of the picture, government wastes a ton on pork and all these socialist policies, and then there is the Military Industrial Complex spending which is ridicusouly out of control.

Income tax is the most demeaning of all the taxes, it punishes the rewards of production. Its immoral and should be abolished, although I would compromise that with a flat tax along the board, make it low and fair.

When you have control of what you earn then you have better control on what and how you spend it. Instead of raping peoples money to build roads, you can charge to use them through tolls or gas tax. Everything can be paid for without stealing it.

 

[ax1]

Again, backing a currency with only one type of asset is silly and will destabilize global geo-politics the same way oil does now.

I'm familiar with Austrian Economics... we all see what an economic powerhouse Austria currently is, so...........

Fuq global geo-politics, its al bullshyt.

 

[ax1]

I'm familiar with Austrian Economics... we all see what an economic powerhouse Austria currently is, so...........

Its an economic theory by Austrians. Being Austrian doesnt equate to supporting that theory, thats racist. Nor does it mean the country implemented.

I can have a theory of turning shyt to currency and call it the school of American Economics and prove how great we are.

 

[ax1]

Fuq global geo-politics, its al bullshyt.

By that I mean its all run by a bunch of mass murdering Nazi terrorists, so screw geo-politics.

 

[ax1]

If you only have use taxes, they're going to end up being exorbitant or you're going to have a budget deficit.

How do you think we have a budget deficit surplus? You do realize they just printed out of krap 3 trillion and now the deficit surpassed 25 trillion? Its completely irresponsible.

 

[nostrum420]

Thats just part of the picture, government wastes a ton on pork and all these socialist policies, and then there is the Military Industrial Complex spending which is ridicusouly out of control.

Income tax is the most demeaning of all the taxes, it punishes the rewards of production. Its immoral and should be abolished, although I would compromise that with a flat tax along the board, make it low and fair.

When you have control of what you earn then you have better control on what and how you spend it. Instead of raping peoples money to build roads, you can charge to use them through tolls or gas tax. Everything can be paid for without stealing it.

When you toll someone you are stealing their money with the gun to their head of pay or you can't pass. Your system is just as draconian, just in a different way.

 

[nostrum420]

Fuq global geo-politics, its al bullshyt.

That's a cop-out answer that doesn't address the issue of a commodity backed currency destabilizing the world and causing the mass murder you so often decry.

 

[nostrum420]

Its an economic theory by Austrians. Being Austrian doesnt equate to supporting that theory, thats racist. Nor does it mean the country implemented.

I can have a theory of turning shyt to currency and call it the school of American Economics and prove how great we are.

If "Austrian economics" were so great, Austria would have adopted them and be dominating the world economy. Especially, if you believe in Austrian economics; ie their independent entrepreneurial nature should have lead them to the kind of fame and fortune others would want to emulate and boom, you're off to the races.

 

[nostrum420]

How do you think we have a budget deficit surplus? You do realize they just printed out of krap 3 trillion and now the deficit surpassed 25 trillion? Its completely irresponsible.

Do you know what the national debt actually is? Like as compared to your household debt; who do we owe it to and who is gonna come shake the US Gov down if they "default?"

I'll give you a hint: national debts and deficits are nothing like household debts or deficits or business debts or deficits.

 

[ax1]

If "Austrian economics" were so great, Austria would have adopted them and be dominating the world economy. Especially, if you believe in Austrian economics; ie their independent entrepreneurial nature should have lead them to the kind of fame and fortune others would want to emulate and boom, you're off to the races.

Id have to look deeper into history but my gut is the ones in power didnt want to lose their ponzi schemes.

Freedom to some is terrorism to others, like the US Government and Federal Reserve.

 

[ax1]

Do you know what the national debt actually is? Like as compared to your household debt; who do we owe it to and who is gonna come shake the US Gov down if they "default?"

I'll give you a hint: national debts and deficits are nothing like household debts or deficits or business debts or deficits.

Its worse.

 

[ax1]

Its worse.

As in, The United States of America and all its freedoms no longer exists outside of ceremonial purposes.

 

[ax1]

Excuse Im a little extra feisty tonight, it was a good day but been on warrior mode since morning, lol

 

[Aleksandar37]

As in, The United States of America and all its freedoms no longer exists outside of ceremonial purposes.

Freedom has always been relative since the very beginning of this country. Compared to England, we certainly had more freedoms, but there have always been rules. The people that want to act like no rules apply to them because of "freedom" don't understand the concept or the context.

 

[nostrum420]

Excuse Im a little extra feisty tonight, it was a good day but been on warrior mode since morning, lol

I think we've all used this thread to vent a little, at this point.

 

[ax1]

 

[ax1]

The FBI successfully broke into a gunman’s iPhone, but it’s still very angry at Apple

Attorney General Barr says voters and Congress should make encryption decisions — not Apple

By Chris Welch@chriswelch May 18, 2020, 10:05am PDT

After months of trying, the FBI successfully broke into iPhones belonging to the gunman responsible for a deadly shooting at Pensacola Naval Air Station in December 2019, and it now claims he had associations with terrorist organization al-Qaeda. Investigators managed to do so without Apple’s help, but Attorney General William Barr and FBI director Christopher Wray both voiced strong frustration with the iPhone maker at a press conference on Monday morning.

Both officials say that encryption on the gunman’s devices severely hampered the investigation. “Thanks to the great work of the FBI — and no thanks to Apple — we were able to unlock Alshamrani’s phones,” said Barr, who lamented the months and “large sums of tax-payer dollars” it took to get into devices of Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, who killed three US sailors and injured eight other people on December 6th.

Apple has said it provided investigators with iCloud data it had available for Alshamrani’s account but did not provide any assistance bypassing iOS’s device encryption. Without that help, authorities spent many weeks trying to break in on their own.

Barr claims breaking into the phone took months and lots of taxpayer dollars

Wray chastised Apple for wasting the agency’s time and resources to unlock the devices. “Public servants, already swamped with important things to do to protect the American people — and toiling through a pandemic, with all the risk and hardship that entails — had to spend all that time just to access evidence we got court-authorized search warrants for months ago,” he said. Wray also claimed the delay would’ve given any potential co-conspirators months to delete evidence and prevent the FBI from piecing together the whole trail.

“Apple’s decision has dangerous consequences for the public safety and the national security and is, in my judgement, unacceptable,” Barr said. “Apple’s desire to provide privacy for its customers is understandable, but not at all costs. There is no reason why companies like Apple cannot design their consumer products and apps to allow for court-authorized access by law enforcement, while maintaining very high standards of data security. Striking this balance should not be left to corporate board rooms.” .............................continued below

The FBI successfully broke into a gunman’s iPhone, but it’s still very angry at Apple

US Attorney General William Barr said Apple’s encryption policy is “unacceptable.”

www.theverge.com

 

[nostrum420]

The FBI successfully broke into a gunman’s iPhone, but it’s still very angry at Apple

Attorney General Barr says voters and Congress should make encryption decisions — not Apple

By Chris Welch@chriswelch May 18, 2020, 10:05am PDT

After months of trying, the FBI successfully broke into iPhones belonging to the gunman responsible for a deadly shooting at Pensacola Naval Air Station in December 2019, and it now claims he had associations with terrorist organization al-Qaeda. Investigators managed to do so without Apple’s help, but Attorney General William Barr and FBI director Christopher Wray both voiced strong frustration with the iPhone maker at a press conference on Monday morning.

Both officials say that encryption on the gunman’s devices severely hampered the investigation. “Thanks to the great work of the FBI — and no thanks to Apple — we were able to unlock Alshamrani’s phones,” said Barr, who lamented the months and “large sums of tax-payer dollars” it took to get into devices of Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, who killed three US sailors and injured eight other people on December 6th.

Apple has said it provided investigators with iCloud data it had available for Alshamrani’s account but did not provide any assistance bypassing iOS’s device encryption. Without that help, authorities spent many weeks trying to break in on their own.

Barr claims breaking into the phone took months and lots of taxpayer dollars

Wray chastised Apple for wasting the agency’s time and resources to unlock the devices. “Public servants, already swamped with important things to do to protect the American people — and toiling through a pandemic, with all the risk and hardship that entails — had to spend all that time just to access evidence we got court-authorized search warrants for months ago,” he said. Wray also claimed the delay would’ve given any potential co-conspirators months to delete evidence and prevent the FBI from piecing together the whole trail.

“Apple’s decision has dangerous consequences for the public safety and the national security and is, in my judgement, unacceptable,” Barr said. “Apple’s desire to provide privacy for its customers is understandable, but not at all costs. There is no reason why companies like Apple cannot design their consumer products and apps to allow for court-authorized access by law enforcement, while maintaining very high standards of data security. Striking this balance should not be left to corporate board rooms.” .............................continued below

The FBI successfully broke into a gunman’s iPhone, but it’s still very angry at Apple

US Attorney General William Barr said Apple’s encryption policy is “unacceptable.”

www.theverge.com

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

/sarcasm

I would really like to bare knuckle box with Bill Barr.

 

[justhere4comm]

Reverse engineering for anyone is a slippery slope and now you all can rail against Apple if they'd have bent over backwards to reverse engineer the encryption.. while screaming about your loss of rights to privacy.

Which one do you want? Right to privacy or security from bad guys? Who gets to say who the bad guys are?

 

[justhere4comm]

Everyone hear about President* Trump taking hydrochoroquine? I mean Flinstone vitamins?

 

[ax1]

Everyone hear about President* Trump taking hydrochoroquine? I mean Flinstone vitamins?

He is so freaking retarded.

 

[Aleksandar37]

Everyone hear about President* Trump taking hydrochoroquine? I mean Flinstone vitamins?

Guess the bleach didn't work

 

[justhere4comm]

"Trump’s disinfectant line made huge news. What stood out for me were his words a/b “light inside the body which you can do” There are light therapy experiments to break up tau & amyloid in dementia patients. The only way he would know light therapy existed is if it involved him."

 

[thebigt]

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

/sarcasm

I would really like to bare knuckle box with Bill Barr.

lol...old school.

 

[ax1]

lol...old school.

Did you know they legalized it last year as a pro sport in a couple states for the first time in over 100 years?

Been watching them, its freaking brutal. I think think I like boxing better but this is a fun watch.

 

[Aleksandar37]

"Trump’s disinfectant line made huge news. What stood out for me were his words a/b “light inside the body which you can do” There are light therapy experiments to break up tau & amyloid in dementia patients. The only way he would know light therapy existed is if it involved him."

Are you saying this or quoting it from somewhere else? Just confused because you have quotation marks, but don't say who said it. Light therapy experiments for Alzheimer's aren't typically internal light.

 

[thebigt]

Did you know they legalized it last year as a pro sport in a couple states for the first time in over 100 years?

Been watching them, its freaking brutal. I think think I like boxing better but this is a fun watch.

if smokers in the navy would have been bare knuckle I have no doubt someone would have been killed.

 

[Aleksandar37]

Did you know they legalized it last year as a pro sport in a couple states for the first time in over 100 years?

Been watching them, its freaking brutal. I think think I like boxing better but this is a fun watch.

Briggs has been trying to get Tyson to do a bare knuckle fight, but looks like they might be doing gloves...although not holding my breath on that either.

 

[ax1]

Briggs has been trying to get Tyson to do a bare knuckle fight, but looks like they might be doing gloves...although not holding my breath on that either.

Years back they added bareknuckle boxing to Fight Night on 360 but Mike actually opted out saying its too brutal. Didnt even want it in a video game.

Tyson vs. Briggs would be entertaining CHAMP!

 

[justhere4comm]

Are you saying this or quoting it from somewhere else? Just confused because you have quotation marks, but don't say who said it. Light therapy experiments for Alzheimer's aren't typically internal light.

https://twitter.com/TomJChicago

Home | My background with dementia.

tomjoseph2.wixsite.com

 

[Aleksandar37]

https://twitter.com/TomJChicago

Home | My background with dementia.

tomjoseph2.wixsite.com

Ahh ok, I misread the original quote. Totally agree!

 

[thebigt]

Years back they added bareknuckle boxing to Fight Night on 360 but Mike actually opted out saying its too brutal. Didnt even want it in a video game.

Tyson vs. Briggs would be entertaining CHAMP!

that's why the navy came up with smokers, a lot safer than having guys killing each other on the messdecks.

 

[justhere4comm]

The GOP Governors in their respective states are lying about the numbers and people will die.
Their blood is on their hands along with Trump.

"Georgia governor forced to apologize for releasing fake numbers on Coronavirus infections"
Now do Florida.

 

[ax1]

The GOP Governors in their respective states are lying about the numbers and people will die.
Their blood is on their hands along with Trump.

"Georgia governor forced to apologize for releasing fake numbers on Coronavirus infections"
Now do Florida.

At the same time they are also saving alot of lives and people's livelihoods.

 

[justhere4comm]

At the same time they are also saving alot of lives and people's livelihoods.

Yet lying about how many are sick and dying... but ok, livelihoods are saved at the expense of other's lives...
Go capitalism!!! F Yeah! Merika.

 

[ax1]

Yet lying about how many are sick and dying... but ok, livelihoods are saved at the expense of other's lives...
Go capitalism!!! F Yeah! Merika.

Im not saying they arent lying, but its "at the expense of others lives" either way. The smart thing to have done was after a short lockdown to then isolate high risk groups and those who voluntarily want that help. It probably would cost the fraction of the cost and without the expense of economic catastrophe.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

At the same time they are also saving alot of lives and people's livelihoods.

Lying about numbers makes accurate analysis and decision making impossible. That is irrefutably a BAD thing. Also, if you can’t trust your government to tell the truth with the things they make public here, then all hope truly is lost, and we’re akin to China, who claims to have hardly any deaths.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

For example, if you open a state and have 5,000 deaths, but only claim 2,500, other states may look at your numbers and say that they will also open their state, but you fed them bad info, and now they have twice as many deaths as they expected. You f**ked them over by feeding them incorrect info, and hindering their ability to make informed and accurate decisions. This is NOT a good thing. If you think you should open your state, use actual, real numbers to justify it, that way accurate analysis and decision making can be done...

 

[justhere4comm]

First some humor.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1253474772702429189

Now, some more serious. Florida is Georgia's today, but tomorrow.

Like Trump, Lies and Deceptions: Florida Republican Governor Ron DeSantis Fires Florida COVID-19 Data Researcher, Suppressing Death and Infection Data — BuzzFlash

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