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Can you leak if this product contains an atractylodes extract?

Just curious..
It does not.

I mentioned Korean Mistletoe and didn't get a quote or reply or anything. Must be onto something. I'll throw in urolithin B also

It does not contain Urolithin B. We did consider that but it ultimately came down to whether we felt like including it would have any extra added benefit, especially with it being a pricey ingredient, and I really think the formula is so comprehensive that you wouldn't be able to tell a difference if it were added other than in the price of the product.
It was a joke, the benefits you listed sounded that of something a little more ‘enhanced’

On a serious note it ticks a lot of boxes that people are after in a natty anabolic

I look forward to seeing the full product
Sorry, didn't realize you were joking. Just wanted to make sure that everyone realized that there would NOT be a need for PCT with this and that it could actually be used in a PCT.

It is very comprehensive. We wanted to make sure that if/when we did something like this that it would really hit a lot of the different goals/results that people would be looking for out of a product like this.

Full 30 day supply?
Yes, it will be a full 30 day supply at the maximum dosage.

Hopefully an introductory sale on site when product drops?
Anabolic Effect will be very aggressively priced. It will sell at the same price as other products do that only have half of the ingredients that this one does.

We could always mark it up on you more to be able to give you a better % off though if you'd like? Jk :p

Maybe sub lingual too .
Absolutely no reason for it to be sublingual.

Also, sublingual both adds to the cost of a product and dramatically limits the amount of active ingredients you can use dosage wise.

Does this not sound like the olympus labs product!.. also there is a heated debate on urolithin B ( please search forums)
We do not intentionally target any particular company when formulating products. If companies were to not use an ingredient because another company used it, the industry would never evolve. This product literally has at most 1 ingredient that it will have in common with an OL product that I'm aware of.

Urolithin B - yes, there is debate on it, I believe more than one debate if I'm not mistaken. And I steer clear on things like that because I never want my comments to appear disparaging towards any other company that is invested in certain ingredients.

Any company can use any ingredient they like

Black lion also used KM in vector

So are they copying both OL and BLS?!
I hate the 'company XYZ copied company ABC's product' thing. If a company makes a 7, 10, 12 ingredient formula and someone copies it exactly, I get it. But if a formula has 1 to even 4 ingredients and it works and another company takes that formula and improves on it, especially if they offer it at a great price, the consumer wins.

Oftentimes, its the companies that are the most worried about that type thing that are really just worried about getting exposed for overcharging to begin with.

Plus, if you think about it, a raw material supplier doesn't want to make an ingredient to sell to 1 or 2 companies. They are in business to make money too and many times if it's only 1 or 2 companies buying the raw material, it can actually wind up not available anymore because it may not be worth it for the supplier to continue making.

Probably not and unsure why that would be necessary with this.
It wouldn't be necessary at all with this. Due to the dosage constraints of sublinguils, it actually wouldn't even be possible unless you wanted to have to take about 30 pills a day.

I am speaking just for me but others may agree I haven't been this excited for a release since about 8 years or so.
Awesome. Thank you for sharing. In the past we have traditionally not teased or released info on products before they came out. This was really our first attempt at changing that because we know we need to market better. Marketing has always been our weakness - we make great products at great prices but have always been more about the science and value and been almost shy when it comes to the marketing side if that makes sense.

I mean they are still just supplements to me, but yes this I’m anxious for (and the new lean edge).
Great to hear someone FINALLY mention the new Lean Edge haha. I plan on putting up a thread on that tomorrow. I can tell you that that is one that I've been using because we did get in some test bottles of to try out and I've never had any stimulant free fat burner that has controlled my appetite the way it does and also haven't ever leaned out this much off of anything before without my diet being super strict. (I don't expect anyone to take my word for that because companies always say stuff like that, but anyone that knows me knows that I actually rarely ever comment on my personal results from a product for that reason and plus it takes a lot for a product to really impress me - and the new Lean Edge definitely has).


Lean Edge + anabolic effect? :O
Already running Lean Edge and will be adding Anabolic Effect to it myself the moment it arrives :)

I am anxiously waiting for their Anxiety & Stress product lol
Ha. Great way of putting it. I'm in the same boat. I'm spread so thin that I get overwhelmed a lot and in testing out the Stress & Anxiety Support product, it helped me tremendously.

Would be cool if we got an ingredient revealed each day. DO ETT
We thought about that but in this industry ETA's are best guesses, and sometimes not very good ones haha. So we didn't want to run out of ingredient reveals and still not have the product in.

Humm.... are you suggesting that we wait to get this in and then wait an additional 7 days to release so that we can do an ingredient reveal per day? :p

I think some of the people excitedly waiting may have strong opinions on that. We could always do that and just blame you haha :ROFLMAO:
 

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Oftentimes, its the companies that are the most worried about that type thing that are really just worried about getting exposed for overcharging to begin with.
Yep, that’s why I want y’all to disrupt the market and beat everyone with a superior grains of paradise extract product.

40-80 mg per cap and with a bulk size offering like y’all do with the beta alanine caps. I would snatch up 501 capsules and melt away all summer.
 

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Oftentimes, its the companies that are the most worried about that type thing that are really just worried about getting exposed for overcharging to begin with.
Yep, that’s why I want y’all to disrupt the market and beat everyone with a superior grains of paradise extract product.

40-80 mg per cap and with a bulk size offering like y’all do with the beta alanine caps. I would snatch up 501 capsules and melt away all summer.
 
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Humm.... are you suggesting that we wait to get this in and then wait an additional 7 days to release so that we can do an ingredient reveal per day? :p

I think some of the people excitedly waiting may have strong opinions on that. We could always do that and just blame you haha :ROFLMAO:
Let’s not doing anything harsh now mon.
 
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Everytime I log into AM I look to see if there is any update on the SNS stuff and unfortunately everyday thus far I have been disappointed :cry: hahaha

I know these will be good though so I am trying to be patient!
 
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Everytime I log into AM I look to see if there is any update on the SNS stuff and unfortunately everyday thus far I have been disappointed :cry: hahaha

I know these will be good though so I am trying to be patient!
We are hoping that this product may be available as soon as next week but it may be the week after. There should start to be more updates throughout the week on this and other upcoming SKU's as well. And maybe a surprise release that there hasn't been any teasing about ;)
 
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Yep, that’s why I want y’all to disrupt the market and beat everyone with a superior grains of paradise extract product.

40-80 mg per cap and with a bulk size offering like y’all do with the beta alanine caps. I would snatch up 501 capsules and melt away all summer.
I had asked what standardization people would like to see on this - I think it was in the tell us what you'd like to see from us thread and didn't get much in the way of replies. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that in that thread if you'd like. I'm definitely open to doing one. The raw material pricing is too high to allow for a 501 cap but I think we could definitely look into doing a nice supply at a very cost effective price.
 
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Direct from the AM newsletter:

The Landscape of Natural Anabolics is About to Change

Anabolic Effect contains 7 high end natural anabolic ingredients including 4 licensed branded ingredients and clinically researched key ingredients and brings them together to create the ultimate natural anabolic powerhouse.

Anabolic Effect Supports:
- Lean Muscle Gains
- Hardcore Strength Gains
- Dramatic Muscle Pumps & Fullness
- Increases in Natural Testosterone Levels
- Potent Anabolic & Anti-Catabolic Benefits
- Enhanced Fat Loss
- Reduced Fatigue
- Improved Recovery
- Dramatic Increases in Muscular Endurance
- Improved Libido
- Increases in IGF-1 Levels
- Increases in Protein Synthesis
- Lean Muscle Retention While Dieting

Anabolic Effect Highlights:
- 7 High End Active Ingredients
- 4 Licensed Branded Ingredients
- Clinically Researched Key Ingredients
- No on Cycle or PCT Required

Anabolic + Anti-Catabolic + Endurance Enhancing + Fat Burning =
The Gold Standard of Natural Anabolics

Actually, Gold Standard may sound better but Anabolic Effect would probably be better described as the platinum standard because platinum is stronger, denser, and more valuable than gold.
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Definitely excited about this one. I've responded pretty well to a lot of the other natty anabolics and glad to see this will offer different ingredients than most other popular products.
 

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That's what I was getting at with the excitement of this my trash bin will be full because this cover so many bases. A pre this a fat burner and some creatine done.
 
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Sound like this will covert many base and M-test might not even be needed anymore
 

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Sound like this will covert many base and M-test might not even be needed anymore
How? One is more focused on test boosting one in anabolic signaling.

While there may be some crossover they should be working via different actions. Test boosters for actual muscular gains are probably overrated (not that they don’t have other uses) while I’m assuming this will have ingredients more directly focused on performance/gains.
 
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Direct from the AM newsletter:

The Landscape of Natural Anabolics is About to Change

Anabolic Effect contains 7 high end natural anabolic ingredients including 4 licensed branded ingredients and clinically researched key ingredients and brings them together to create the ultimate natural anabolic powerhouse.

Anabolic Effect Supports:
- Lean Muscle Gains
- Hardcore Strength Gains
- Dramatic Muscle Pumps & Fullness
- Increases in Natural Testosterone Levels
- Potent Anabolic & Anti-Catabolic Benefits
- Enhanced Fat Loss
- Reduced Fatigue
- Improved Recovery
- Dramatic Increases in Muscular Endurance
- Improved Libido
- Increases in IGF-1 Levels
- Increases in Protein Synthesis
- Lean Muscle Retention While Dieting

Anabolic Effect Highlights:
- 7 High End Active Ingredients
- 4 Licensed Branded Ingredients
- Clinically Researched Key Ingredients
- No on Cycle or PCT Required

Anabolic + Anti-Catabolic + Endurance Enhancing + Fat Burning =
The Gold Standard of Natural Anabolics

Actually, Gold Standard may sound better but Anabolic Effect would probably be better described as the platinum standard because platinum is stronger, denser, and more valuable than gold.
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Sound like this will covert many base and M-test might not even be needed anymore
Anabolic Effect will cover a lot of bases but is a completely different product/type of product that M-Test. They will make for a great stack.

How? One is more focused on test boosting one in anabolic signaling.

While there may be some crossover they should be working via different actions. Test boosters for actual muscular gains are probably overrated (not that they don’t have other uses) while I’m assuming this will have ingredients more directly focused on performance/gains.
Agree on the part about them working on different pathways; and yes, it will have ingredients focused directly on performance and gains.

I respectfully disagree on the part about test boosters for muscle gains being overrated. I do see your side of that but I think it comes down to some brands ridiculous advertising creating unrealistic expectations. I think that some are overrated because they don't actually contain ingredients to help boost test; and I think some use ridiculous marketing that can lead to unrealistic expectations. So if people are expecting a natural test booster to act like a ph or AAS, of course they aren't. But if you're realistic with expectations and use a test booster that works like M-Test, increased test generally equals increased performance and muscle gains through indirect and direct pathways. Plus, M-Test contains a variety of ingredients on their own that have been shown to increase performance as well. I hope that makes sense.
 

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Anabolic Effect will cover a lot of bases but is a completely different product/type of product that M-Test. They will make for a great stack.



Agree on the part about them working on different pathways; and yes, it will have ingredients focused directly on performance and gains.

I respectfully disagree on the part about test boosters for muscle gains being overrated. I do see your side of that but I think it comes down to some brands ridiculous advertising creating unrealistic expectations. I think that some are overrated because they don't actually contain ingredients to help boost test; and I think some use ridiculous marketing that can lead to unrealistic expectations. So if people are expecting a natural test booster to act like a ph or AAS, of course they aren't. But if you're realistic with expectations and use a test booster that works like M-Test, increased test generally equals increased performance and muscle gains through indirect and direct pathways. Plus, M-Test contains a variety of ingredients on their own that have been shown to increase performance as well. I hope that makes sense.
I don’t disagree with this.
 
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Not Yohimbine, silly goose! SA3X! It’s the best test booster on the market. Are you ready for the gains?
I'm having a hard time distinguishing if you're joking or serious. I thought the saying you hoped it may have that in there was serious, but saying its the best test booster on the market - I'm hoping you're joking on that? While I think Spilanthes may be a decent ingredient, I think saying its the best or even one of the best test boosting ingredients on the market would be a huge overstatement.
 

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I'm having a hard time distinguishing if you're joking or serious. I thought the saying you hoped it may have that in there was serious, but saying its the best test booster on the market - I'm hoping you're joking on that? While I think Spilanthes may be a decent ingredient, I think saying its the best or even one of the best test boosting ingredients on the market would be a huge overstatement.
Over time it will prove its worth. I look forward to seeing it in version 2 of Anabolic Effect.
 
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Will this supplement crush estrogen to raise test? The reason for asking is, I ran 60 days of M-Test and liked it. But towards the end it really dried out my joints especially the knees. I would like to know if this is similar, so I should have some Cissus standing by? I might be more susceptible to this than others.
 
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Will this supplement crush estrogen to raise test? The reason for asking is, I ran 60 days of M-Test and liked it. But towards the end it really dried out my joints especially the knees. I would like to know if this is similar, so I should have some Cissus standing by? I might be more susceptible to this than others.
I’d be surprised if M-Test had that sort of impact on E2. Not saying your symptoms are fake, just would be surprised if they were M-Test and E2 related
 
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Will this supplement crush estrogen to raise test? The reason for asking is, I ran 60 days of M-Test and liked it. But towards the end it really dried out my joints especially the knees. I would like to know if this is similar, so I should have some Cissus standing by? I might be more susceptible to this than others.
I’d be surprised if M-Test had that sort of impact on E2. Not saying your symptoms are fake, just would be surprised if they were M-Test and E2 related
 
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Will this supplement crush estrogen to raise test? The reason for asking is, I ran 60 days of M-Test and liked it. But towards the end it really dried out my joints especially the knees. I would like to know if this is similar, so I should have some Cissus standing by? I might be more susceptible to this than others.
No it will not. It is designed to be a Natural Anabolic. While it does have some test boosting properties, it is not meant to specifically be a natural test booster nor to replace a natural test booster. Something in your case to think about may also be the KSM-66 content in M-Test has a cortisol reducing effect so it may be that you're more susceptible to cortisol lowering and corresponding drying of the joints.

I do think having Cissus XT on hand wouldn't be a bad idea on this but I say that because some of people trying experimental dosages on this indicated really good strength gains and I've noticed myself that when my strength goes up a lot quickly, it tends to cause tendon and ligament pain and Cissus XT is great for that.
 
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I’d be surprised if M-Test had that sort of impact on E2. Not saying your symptoms are fake, just would be surprised if they were M-Test and E2 related
It could just be me and my history. I had some fun with AI's back in the ATD days. My knees always told me when it was time to cycle off. The more I used the sooner it occurred. Possibly I may have to be more cautious than most. When it was posted that ATD blocked the Testosterone receptors as well as the E2 on the hypothalamus, I moved on.
I still like a good test booster once in a while.
 
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No it will not. It is designed to be a Natural Anabolic. While it does have some test boosting properties, it is not meant to specifically be a natural test booster nor to replace a natural test booster. Something in your case to think about may also be the KSM-66 content in M-Test has a cortisol reducing effect so it may be that you're more susceptible to cortisol lowering and corresponding drying of the joints.

I do think having Cissus XT on hand wouldn't be a bad idea on this but I say that because some of people trying experimental dosages on this indicated really good strength gains and I've noticed myself that when my strength goes up a lot quickly, it tends to cause tendon and ligament pain and Cissus XT is great for that.
Thanks for the feed back. I will look into the cortisol angle. Until then I will have Cissus XT on hand.
When is the pre-sale? I must have missed it in the thread.
 
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Over time it will prove its worth. I look forward to seeing it in version 2 of Anabolic Effect.
Spilanthes has been around for a long time now. I think that it may be a decent ingredient but I think that it's been over-hyped from the beginning and that has led to unrealistic expectations which is why most of the products containing it have never sold well (except USP Labs and at that time, anything they made sold well bc of the marketing).

In regards to the SA3X version, I found the following quote:
SA3X™ is a new trademarked proprietary Spilanthes Acmella extract from an Indian company named Stiriti Ayur Therapies. It’s standardized for over 5% Spilanthol, an incredibly powerful testosterone-boosting N-Alkylamide found in nature.

^^^ Now the problem with this is that notice the key words - trademarked; basically that it's just a fancy brand name for it as far as I can tell and nothing special about it over any other equivalent extract. Now, to get to the next point, notice that this supposedly trademarked ingredient isn't even listed on Stiriti Ayur Therapies website. So you have a supposedly trademarked ingredient with a supposedly special standardization that isn't even listed on the website of the company that supposedly has the trademark. In my opinion, the supplier may or may not make a good Spilanthes but it's no better than any other equivalent standardization and also the hype around SA3X seems to be promoted by a certain company that was the first to my knowledge to use this 'version' (a company by the way that I like so I'm in no way putting them down - it's good marketing) but it would be a disservice to our customers to overpay for an ingredient for the sake of marketing. I hope all that makes sense.

With all that said, we may use Spilanthes in a formula in the future and if you'd like to discuss it, I'd love to continue this conversation in this thread:
https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/what-types-of-products-or-ingredients-would-you-like-to-see-from-us.311653/page-4#post-6240991
 
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Thanks for the feed back. I will look into the cortisol angle. Until then I will have Cissus XT on hand.
When is the pre-sale? I must have missed it in the thread.
The exact release date hasn't been announced yet. I will let you know as soon as I know :)
 
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Spilanthes has been around for a long time now. I think that it may be a decent ingredient but I think that it's been over-hyped from the beginning and that has led to unrealistic expectations which is why most of the products containing it have never sold well (except USP Labs and at that time, anything they made sold well bc of the marketing).

In regards to the SA3X version, I found the following quote:
SA3X is a new trademarked proprietary Spilanthes Acmella extract from an Indian company named Stiriti Ayur Therapies. It’s standardized for over 5% Spilanthol, an incredibly powerful testosterone-boosting N-Alkylamide found in nature.

^^^ Now the problem with this is that notice the key words - trademarked; basically that it's just a fancy brand name for it as far as I can tell and nothing special about it over any other equivalent extract. Now, to get to the next point, notice that this supposedly trademarked ingredient isn't even listed on Stiriti Ayur Therapies website. So you have a supposedly trademarked ingredient with a supposedly special standardization that isn't even listed on the website of the company that supposedly has the trademark. In my opinion, the supplier may or may not make a good Spilanthes but it's no better than any other equivalent standardization and also the hype around SA3X seems to be promoted by a certain company that was the first to my knowledge to use this 'version' (a company by the way that I like so I'm in no way putting them down - it's good marketing) but it would be a disservice to our customers to overpay for an ingredient for the sake of marketing. I hope all that makes sense.

With all that said, we may use Spilanthes in a formula in the future and if you'd like to discuss it, I'd love to continue this conversation in this thread:
https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/what-types-of-products-or-ingredients-would-you-like-to-see-from-us.311653/page-4#post-6240991
Yep, bring it over to that thread because were just discussing Anacyclus and N-Alkylamides potential impact on hunger over there
 

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I did try usp labs test booster with spilantest and I did not feel much
 
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I just realized that Controlled Labs put out a Spilanthes product via their hunger-inducing supplement “Black Hole” a looooonng time ago

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At least they could release one ingredient per day, it as 7 so we are good for a week :D
 
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Would this stack well with something like epiandro 300.
theres really not a good reason to stack any natural product with a PH as it would likely just be outshined... This would be a perfect addition to the PCT though
 

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