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Unanswered CEL Anabolic Effect - Natural Anabolic

soxbsbll05 said:
Everytime I log into AM I look to see if there is any update on the SNS stuff and unfortunately everyday thus far I have been disappointed :cry: hahaha

I know these will be good though so I am trying to be patient!
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We are hoping that this product may be available as soon as next week but it may be the week after. There should start to be more updates throughout the week on this and other upcoming SKU's as well. And maybe a surprise release that there hasn't been any teasing about ;)
 
Rockslide said:
Yep, that’s why I want y’all to disrupt the market and beat everyone with a superior grains of paradise extract product.

40-80 mg per cap and with a bulk size offering like y’all do with the beta alanine caps. I would snatch up 501 capsules and melt away all summer.
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I had asked what standardization people would like to see on this - I think it was in the tell us what you'd like to see from us thread and didn't get much in the way of replies. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that in that thread if you'd like. I'm definitely open to doing one. The raw material pricing is too high to allow for a 501 cap but I think we could definitely look into doing a nice supply at a very cost effective price.
 
Direct from the AM newsletter:

The Landscape of Natural Anabolics is About to Change

Anabolic Effect contains 7 high end natural anabolic ingredients including 4 licensed branded ingredients and clinically researched key ingredients and brings them together to create the ultimate natural anabolic powerhouse.

Anabolic Effect Supports:
- Lean Muscle Gains
- Hardcore Strength Gains
- Dramatic Muscle Pumps & Fullness
- Increases in Natural Testosterone Levels
- Potent Anabolic & Anti-Catabolic Benefits
- Enhanced Fat Loss
- Reduced Fatigue
- Improved Recovery
- Dramatic Increases in Muscular Endurance
- Improved Libido
- Increases in IGF-1 Levels
- Increases in Protein Synthesis
- Lean Muscle Retention While Dieting

Anabolic Effect Highlights:
- 7 High End Active Ingredients
- 4 Licensed Branded Ingredients
- Clinically Researched Key Ingredients
- No on Cycle or PCT Required

Anabolic + Anti-Catabolic + Endurance Enhancing + Fat Burning =
The Gold Standard of Natural Anabolics​

Actually, Gold Standard may sound better but Anabolic Effect would probably be better described as the platinum standard because platinum is stronger, denser, and more valuable than gold.
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Definitely excited about this one. I've responded pretty well to a lot of the other natty anabolics and glad to see this will offer different ingredients than most other popular products.
 
That's what I was getting at with the excitement of this my trash bin will be full because this cover so many bases. A pre this a fat burner and some creatine done.
 
patrick25 said:
That's what I was getting at with the excitement of this my trash bin will be full because this cover so many bases. A pre this a fat burner and some creatine done.
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Speaking of fat burners:

The New Lean Edge - Stimulant Free - 15 Active Ingredients:
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sns8778 said:
Direct from the AM newsletter:

The Landscape of Natural Anabolics is About to Change

Anabolic Effect contains 7 high end natural anabolic ingredients including 4 licensed branded ingredients and clinically researched key ingredients and brings them together to create the ultimate natural anabolic powerhouse.

Anabolic Effect Supports:
- Lean Muscle Gains
- Hardcore Strength Gains
- Dramatic Muscle Pumps & Fullness
- Increases in Natural Testosterone Levels
- Potent Anabolic & Anti-Catabolic Benefits
- Enhanced Fat Loss
- Reduced Fatigue
- Improved Recovery
- Dramatic Increases in Muscular Endurance
- Improved Libido
- Increases in IGF-1 Levels
- Increases in Protein Synthesis
- Lean Muscle Retention While Dieting

Anabolic Effect Highlights:
- 7 High End Active Ingredients
- 4 Licensed Branded Ingredients
- Clinically Researched Key Ingredients
- No on Cycle or PCT Required

Anabolic + Anti-Catabolic + Endurance Enhancing + Fat Burning =
The Gold Standard of Natural Anabolics​

Actually, Gold Standard may sound better but Anabolic Effect would probably be better described as the platinum standard because platinum is stronger, denser, and more valuable than gold.
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alvin1 said:
Sound like this will covert many base and M-test might not even be needed anymore
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Anabolic Effect will cover a lot of bases but is a completely different product/type of product that M-Test. They will make for a great stack.

Resolve10 said:
How? One is more focused on test boosting one in anabolic signaling.

While there may be some crossover they should be working via different actions. Test boosters for actual muscular gains are probably overrated (not that they don’t have other uses) while I’m assuming this will have ingredients more directly focused on performance/gains.
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Agree on the part about them working on different pathways; and yes, it will have ingredients focused directly on performance and gains.

I respectfully disagree on the part about test boosters for muscle gains being overrated. I do see your side of that but I think it comes down to some brands ridiculous advertising creating unrealistic expectations. I think that some are overrated because they don't actually contain ingredients to help boost test; and I think some use ridiculous marketing that can lead to unrealistic expectations. So if people are expecting a natural test booster to act like a ph or AAS, of course they aren't. But if you're realistic with expectations and use a test booster that works like M-Test, increased test generally equals increased performance and muscle gains through indirect and direct pathways. Plus, M-Test contains a variety of ingredients on their own that have been shown to increase performance as well. I hope that makes sense.
 
Garyboy said:
Not Yohimbine, silly goose! SA3X! It’s the best test booster on the market. Are you ready for the gains?
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I'm having a hard time distinguishing if you're joking or serious. I thought the saying you hoped it may have that in there was serious, but saying its the best test booster on the market - I'm hoping you're joking on that? While I think Spilanthes may be a decent ingredient, I think saying its the best or even one of the best test boosting ingredients on the market would be a huge overstatement.
 
sns8778 said:
I'm having a hard time distinguishing if you're joking or serious. I thought the saying you hoped it may have that in there was serious, but saying its the best test booster on the market - I'm hoping you're joking on that? While I think Spilanthes may be a decent ingredient, I think saying its the best or even one of the best test boosting ingredients on the market would be a huge overstatement.
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Over time it will prove its worth. I look forward to seeing it in version 2 of Anabolic Effect.
 
Will this supplement crush estrogen to raise test? The reason for asking is, I ran 60 days of M-Test and liked it. But towards the end it really dried out my joints especially the knees. I would like to know if this is similar, so I should have some Cissus standing by? I might be more susceptible to this than others.
 
GHopkins said:
Will this supplement crush estrogen to raise test? The reason for asking is, I ran 60 days of M-Test and liked it. But towards the end it really dried out my joints especially the knees. I would like to know if this is similar, so I should have some Cissus standing by? I might be more susceptible to this than others.
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I’d be surprised if M-Test had that sort of impact on E2. Not saying your symptoms are fake, just would be surprised if they were M-Test and E2 related
 
GHopkins said:
Will this supplement crush estrogen to raise test? The reason for asking is, I ran 60 days of M-Test and liked it. But towards the end it really dried out my joints especially the knees. I would like to know if this is similar, so I should have some Cissus standing by? I might be more susceptible to this than others.
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I’d be surprised if M-Test had that sort of impact on E2. Not saying your symptoms are fake, just would be surprised if they were M-Test and E2 related
 
GHopkins said:
Will this supplement crush estrogen to raise test? The reason for asking is, I ran 60 days of M-Test and liked it. But towards the end it really dried out my joints especially the knees. I would like to know if this is similar, so I should have some Cissus standing by? I might be more susceptible to this than others.
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No it will not. It is designed to be a Natural Anabolic. While it does have some test boosting properties, it is not meant to specifically be a natural test booster nor to replace a natural test booster. Something in your case to think about may also be the KSM-66 content in M-Test has a cortisol reducing effect so it may be that you're more susceptible to cortisol lowering and corresponding drying of the joints.

I do think having Cissus XT on hand wouldn't be a bad idea on this but I say that because some of people trying experimental dosages on this indicated really good strength gains and I've noticed myself that when my strength goes up a lot quickly, it tends to cause tendon and ligament pain and Cissus XT is great for that.
 
aaronuconn said:
I’d be surprised if M-Test had that sort of impact on E2. Not saying your symptoms are fake, just would be surprised if they were M-Test and E2 related
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It could just be me and my history. I had some fun with AI's back in the ATD days. My knees always told me when it was time to cycle off. The more I used the sooner it occurred. Possibly I may have to be more cautious than most. When it was posted that ATD blocked the Testosterone receptors as well as the E2 on the hypothalamus, I moved on.
I still like a good test booster once in a while.
 
sns8778 said:
No it will not. It is designed to be a Natural Anabolic. While it does have some test boosting properties, it is not meant to specifically be a natural test booster nor to replace a natural test booster. Something in your case to think about may also be the KSM-66 content in M-Test has a cortisol reducing effect so it may be that you're more susceptible to cortisol lowering and corresponding drying of the joints.

I do think having Cissus XT on hand wouldn't be a bad idea on this but I say that because some of people trying experimental dosages on this indicated really good strength gains and I've noticed myself that when my strength goes up a lot quickly, it tends to cause tendon and ligament pain and Cissus XT is great for that.
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Thanks for the feed back. I will look into the cortisol angle. Until then I will have Cissus XT on hand.
When is the pre-sale? I must have missed it in the thread.
 
Garyboy said:
Over time it will prove its worth. I look forward to seeing it in version 2 of Anabolic Effect.
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Spilanthes has been around for a long time now. I think that it may be a decent ingredient but I think that it's been over-hyped from the beginning and that has led to unrealistic expectations which is why most of the products containing it have never sold well (except USP Labs and at that time, anything they made sold well bc of the marketing).

In regards to the SA3X version, I found the following quote:
SA3X™ is a new trademarked proprietary Spilanthes Acmella extract from an Indian company named Stiriti Ayur Therapies. It’s standardized for over 5% Spilanthol, an incredibly powerful testosterone-boosting N-Alkylamide found in nature.

^^^ Now the problem with this is that notice the key words - trademarked; basically that it's just a fancy brand name for it as far as I can tell and nothing special about it over any other equivalent extract. Now, to get to the next point, notice that this supposedly trademarked ingredient isn't even listed on Stiriti Ayur Therapies website. So you have a supposedly trademarked ingredient with a supposedly special standardization that isn't even listed on the website of the company that supposedly has the trademark. In my opinion, the supplier may or may not make a good Spilanthes but it's no better than any other equivalent standardization and also the hype around SA3X seems to be promoted by a certain company that was the first to my knowledge to use this 'version' (a company by the way that I like so I'm in no way putting them down - it's good marketing) but it would be a disservice to our customers to overpay for an ingredient for the sake of marketing. I hope all that makes sense.

With all that said, we may use Spilanthes in a formula in the future and if you'd like to discuss it, I'd love to continue this conversation in this thread:
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GHopkins said:
Thanks for the feed back. I will look into the cortisol angle. Until then I will have Cissus XT on hand.
When is the pre-sale? I must have missed it in the thread.
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The exact release date hasn't been announced yet. I will let you know as soon as I know :)
 
sns8778 said:
Spilanthes has been around for a long time now. I think that it may be a decent ingredient but I think that it's been over-hyped from the beginning and that has led to unrealistic expectations which is why most of the products containing it have never sold well (except USP Labs and at that time, anything they made sold well bc of the marketing).

In regards to the SA3X version, I found the following quote:
SA3X is a new trademarked proprietary Spilanthes Acmella extract from an Indian company named Stiriti Ayur Therapies. It’s standardized for over 5% Spilanthol, an incredibly powerful testosterone-boosting N-Alkylamide found in nature.

^^^ Now the problem with this is that notice the key words - trademarked; basically that it's just a fancy brand name for it as far as I can tell and nothing special about it over any other equivalent extract. Now, to get to the next point, notice that this supposedly trademarked ingredient isn't even listed on Stiriti Ayur Therapies website. So you have a supposedly trademarked ingredient with a supposedly special standardization that isn't even listed on the website of the company that supposedly has the trademark. In my opinion, the supplier may or may not make a good Spilanthes but it's no better than any other equivalent standardization and also the hype around SA3X seems to be promoted by a certain company that was the first to my knowledge to use this 'version' (a company by the way that I like so I'm in no way putting them down - it's good marketing) but it would be a disservice to our customers to overpay for an ingredient for the sake of marketing. I hope all that makes sense.

With all that said, we may use Spilanthes in a formula in the future and if you'd like to discuss it, I'd love to continue this conversation in this thread:
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Yep, bring it over to that thread because were just discussing Anacyclus and N-Alkylamides potential impact on hunger over there
 
patrick25 said:
Would this stack well with something like epiandro 300.
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theres really not a good reason to stack any natural product with a PH as it would likely just be outshined... This would be a perfect addition to the PCT though
 
patrick25 said:
Would this stack well with something like epiandro 300.
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Yes, you could stack it with that &/or use it during your PCT from it.

TommyTuffGuy said:
Today is the release day, yes? :p
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Remember that game that was played on us as kids - the one where every time you ask its an extra day?

Just picking :ROFLMAO::p

alvin1 said:
At least they could release one ingredient per day, it as 7 so we are good for a week :D
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I had thought about that. I like the idea, I just hate if it works out to where it is delayed past 7 more days.

How about we play a modified version of it where if people guess an ingredient correctly that day then I actually agree to confirm it? :)
 
Garyboy said:
Licorice flavonoid oil?
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No, this won't be included. For things that you'd like to see, if they aren't included, you're welcome to joint the ongoing discussion in the other thread as well that we have going about potential new ingredients.
 
alvin1 said:
PEAK O2 then is my guest
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Not in this one. Good ingredient but doesn't really fit what we were going for with this.
 
Worth the wait pple :)
 
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alvin1 said:
Urolithin?
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patrick25 said:
Flos Carthami ?
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Neither of these will be in there. If you'd like, you're welcome to post some info on them in the other thread we having going for ingredient suggestions:
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Urolithin we considered but there is some debate about how effective it is and also about absorption. We felt it best to not fight that battle and because I also think that the product is goign to be so effective as is that adding this likely wouldn't have increased benefits, only cost.

I have not looked into Flos Carthami. I'd love to see some info on it if you have any handy. If not, I'll make a note to look more into it when I have the time.
 
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