Scooped this up at the local Mom 'n' Pop...
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Pretty killer profile. Better than BZRK for sure
The following is not directed specifically at the quoted poster, but the board at large.
In my opinion, this product has Wayyyy to many stims..and not much else. Anyone who says they "need" that many stims has such a high stim tolerance that their adrenals are shot. This is not only harmful to one's health, but performance, recovery and growth. Look at this stim profile...
400 mg caffeine
200 mg synthetic DMHA
60 mg DMAA
That's enough stims to make a lot of people feel like total **** and even impair workout perfrmance. In my opinion, if someone wants to include stims in a pre-workout product, they should be added for the express purpose of improving workout performance...not to get high. Even worse, if the specific types of compounds and doses provided are so high that they hinder recovery and growth, well, then it defeats the entire purpose.
This product woul actually be detrimental to performance, recovery, and growth. That stim profile would cause a pretty large spike in cortisol, thereby directly impairing recovery and growth. It would also cause significant increases in bloodpressure and heat rate--the last thing most PED using (or even drug-free) bodybuilders need.
If someone is going to make a product with those stims at those doses, they should just make a stand-alone stim product...and stop pretending that these type of products are actually benificial for a bodybuilder's goals. Now, with that said, I am NOT anti-stim. I just released a solo stim product yesterday, but this is for people to use under circumstances they see fit. I would never add a stim blend to a pre-workout like we see in this product. If I was going to use stims in a pre-training product, I would very likely use caffeine, dynamine and theacrine, as this combo would not only prevent increases in BP and heart rate (assuming the caffeine dose doesn't get too high), but it doesn't increase cortisol and it makes the user feel great with tons of energy and focus.. If the user wants to improve peformance even further without altering cortisol levels or cardiovascular health markers, then some nootropics should be employed. But the above stim blend is counterintuitive to a bodybuilder's goals, as it increases cortisol, BP and heart rate.
If someone's primary purpose for using a pre-training product is just to get high, then I can understand why they would buy something like this, but to be honest, if getting high before training was my goal, I wouldn't be using conventional pre-workout products. I would be using research amphetamines. I guess I just don't see the point in these kind of products. In my opinion (and the opinion of anyone who knows anything about formulating pre-workout products for the purpose of enhancing performance, recovery and growth goals), my stim-based pre-workout product (that I am currently working on) is about 10X better than this...at least from a bodybuilding standpoint.
