The New Product Release Thread

[00A]

Blackstone about to drop another underdosed product

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How you know underdosed? Is this common with there products?

 

[DEVANS89]

Yeah.
There last new product was recomp and it was very underwhelming

 

[Danksta710]

Yeah.
There last new product was recomp and it was very underwhelming

What was underwhelming by it?

I ran it in the fall and really liked the results. Currently running two bottles back to back.

Do you think I'd get better results doubling the dose? Is there a better Recomp product you recommend?

How you know underdosed? Is this common with there products?

PJ admits this on YT. His excuse is he knows guys take more than the recommended dose so they underdose for people's safety.

 

[patrick25]

What was underwhelming by it?

I ran it in the fall and really liked the results. Currently running two bottles back to back.

Do you think I'd get better results doubling the dose? Is there a better Recomp product you recommend?



PJ admits this on YT. His excuse is he knows guys take more than the recommended dose so they underdose for people's safety.

Wow what a con.

 

[Danksta710]

He's an interesting "character" to follow for sure. He has a new show on Generation Iron.

A hustler knows a hustler when he sees one. PJ is a massive one.

Recomp RX is the only product I've enjoyed from them really and I never pay full price or order from them.

But I'll admit I'm curious about his next product...

 

[Hyde]

Blackstone is and has always been a company that truly does not give AF about the consumer. They died to me when I threw my tub of Intra-MD away.

 

[carguy123]

Blackstone is and has always been a company that truly does not give AF about the consumer. They died to me when I threw my tub of Intra-MD away.

Strong this^^^ and tried to fukk over John Meadows in the process too.

 

[chedapalooza]

All of these RTD’s are pretty much straight poison anyway. Everyone’s up in arms over underdosed products, try researching the added preservatives and all the shti they do to you internally. And remember kids, any product that’s bogo $20 isn’t going to do a whole lot except drain your wallet.

 

[chedapalooza]

What was underwhelming by it?

I ran it in the fall and really liked the results. Currently running two bottles back to back.

Do you think I'd get better results doubling the dose? Is there a better Recomp product you recommend?



PJ admits this on YT. His excuse is he knows guys take more than the recommended dose so they underdose for people's safety.

I guess I should redo Glycøshield so the bottle is only 30 caps and still charge $54.99... you know, for peoples safety.

 

[Danksta710]

I guess I should redo Glycøshield so the bottle is only 30 caps and still charge $54.99... you know, for peoples safety.

LOL.

He's clever. In a lot of his videos he talks about the amount "he" takes of his supplements and recommends people NOT to follow him. It's obvious he's just planting seeds in people's brains. His new Halo Elite he says he takes 6 and highly suggested ppl not to follow. We all know what ppl will do when they hear that lol.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

All of these RTD’s are pretty much straight poison anyway. Everyone’s up in arms over underdosed products, try researching the added preservatives and all the shti they do to you internally. And remember kids, any product that’s bogo $20 isn’t going to do a whole lot except drain your wallet.

Which ones in particular should I start reading up on?

 

[The Solution]

Ghost Burn
Coming soon

 

[BigGame84]

Blackstone is and has always been a company that truly does not give AF about the consumer. They died to me when I threw my tub of Intra-MD away.

Order 66 Blackstone Labs. PeeJay gets what deserve.

 

[BigGame84]

Ghost Burn
Coming soon

How does this compare to Infrared (which was capped)? Some local store near me was practically giving Infrared away so I got a bottle on the cheap. Ingredient panel looked impressive to me.

 

[horizons]

All PWO do is

1. Make your wallet lighter
2. Cause a addition to stims

Has no benefit to bodybuilding what so ever

In saying that I either drink coffee or a small scoop of any pre for energy sometimes haha

 

[Danksta710]

All PWO do is

1. Make your wallet lighter
2. Cause a addition to stims

Has no benefit to bodybuilding what so ever

In saying that I either drink coffee or a small scoop of any pre for energy sometimes haha

Exactly. Really counter productive to use stims. It just leaves gains on the table.

AND in that I too either drink coffee or small scoop of pre for energy sometimes. Hard to not use any stims.

 

[ValiantThor08]

A coffee has been studied to be productive for a workout. Of course, that's low to low moderate caffeine.

 

[uforce]

leaves gains on the table?

 

[Danksta710]

Stims put your body at stress and raise your cortisol levels. Your body can't properly recover using that stuff.

Ever wonder why these companies have sleep products? To counter balance the stims and convince the customer the pre workout is helping.

Stim use holds back muscle growth aka Gains.

I still like to use them here and there, but a stim free workout will always trump a stim fueled one IMO.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

All PWO do is

1. Make your wallet lighter
2. Cause a addition to stims

Has no benefit to bodybuilding what so ever

In saying that I either drink coffee or a small scoop of any pre for energy sometimes haha

Except caffeine is perhaps the most proven acute ergogenic aid, things like rhodiola have been shown to acutely increase endurance, Alpha-GPC has been shown to increase power output, etc.

Plus if you find that having a pump helps you push more or something, that’s cool too.

You can say that the PWOs that push the envelope with stimulants don’t provide ADDITIONAL benefits over more moderate PWOs, but that’s not analogous to saying that PWOs don’t have any benefit themselves. And sometimes I don’t want to make coffee, so something capped or powdered is more convenient.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Exactly. Really counter productive to use stims. It just leaves gains on the table.

AND in that I too either drink coffee or small scoop of pre for energy sometimes. Hard to not use any stims.

Caffeine increases power output acutely and is a stimulant.

Ephedrine and caffeine actually help preserve muscle while cutting.

This post makes no sense.

 

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[muscleupcrohn]

A coffee has been studied to be productive for a workout. Of course, that's low to low moderate caffeine.

It’s typically 3-6 mg/kg, or 240-480mg for an 80kg person. 2mg/kg (~160mg) seems to not do so, so I’d aim for at least low-mid 200s, but there’s likely no need to go above 5mg/kg (~400mg).

 

[ValiantThor08]

It’s typically 3-6 mg/kg, or 240-480mg for an 80kg person. 2mg/kg (~160mg) seems to not do so, so I’d aim for at least low-mid 200s, but there’s likely no need to go above 5mg/kg (~400mg).

When I go on a pre workout break for a month or longer, and then take a coffee, it really perks me up for a workout.

 

[uforce]

When I go on a pre workout break for a month or longer, and then take a coffee, it really perks me up for a workout.

ok, bud. most people reading this thread, know all about taking a coffee. thank you though.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Stims put your body at stress and raise your cortisol levels. Your body can't properly recover using that stuff.

Ever wonder why these companies have sleep products? To counter balance the stims and convince the customer the pre workout is helping.

Stim use holds back muscle growth aka Gains.

I still like to use them here and there, but a stim free workout will always trump a stim fueled one IMO.

Wrong....

Caffeine is a stimulant and acutely increases power output.

Ephedrine and caffeine can preserve muscle while cutting.

Show me a study that shows moderate stimulant consumption hinders gains... hint, you can’t.

And supplement companies sell sleep aids because they make money. Not everything is some giant intertwined conspiracy.

 

[ValiantThor08]

Lol.

 

[Danksta710]

Wrong....

Caffeine is a stimulant and acutely increases power output.

Ephedrine and caffeine can preserve muscle while cutting.

Show me a study that shows moderate stimulant consumption hinders gains... hint, you can’t.

And supplement companies sell sleep aids because they make money. Not everything is some giant intertwined conspiracy.

Preserve muscle not build. Taking a bunch of stims won't increase your gains. Maybe your output but they don't help with muscle growth. And I'm not talking caff. I'm talking about the pre's with designer stims mainly.

They sell sleep aids because they create stim junkies who can't sleep.

Quit using that stuff and your gains will increase.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy a good pre but let's not kid ourselves they help with gains like these companies claim. They don't.

 

[Hyde]

All PWO do is

1. Make your wallet lighter
2. Cause a addition to stims

Has no benefit to bodybuilding what so ever

In saying that I either drink coffee or a small scoop of any pre for energy sometimes haha

Have you considered that some people use preWO that aren’t bodybuilding? Or that the product is offered despite this because there’s a demand, EVEN IF it did limit bloodflow and thus gainz?

Strength,endurance,track,sports athletes are all potentially interested in stims.

And the busy dad working swing shift and getting in his hypertrophy work at 3:00am at a 24hr Fitness may need 500mg of caffeine to even show up. Training suboptimally > not training, ya feel me?

 

[horizons]

Wrong....

Caffeine is a stimulant and acutely increases power output.

Ephedrine and caffeine can preserve muscle while cutting.

Show me a study that shows moderate stimulant consumption hinders gains... hint, you can’t.

And supplement companies sell sleep aids because they make money. Not everything is some giant intertwined conspiracy.

No it won’t hinder gains but also does SFA for muscle gains/body building in general

Show me one single study proving a PWO works for body building that isn’t funded by a supplement company and I will shut my mouth lol

They get you addicted to PWO then get you addicted to take their supplements to sleep. It’s a vicious cycle

I’m aware of all these things but I can’t be a hypocrite. I do use supps occasionally to help me focus, sleep and provide energy. Just don’t think oh this PWO is superior to gains blah blah blah it’s all the same **** when it comes down to it

It’s your money you spend it on what you wanna spend it on

Anyways I’ve derailed this thread haha

 

[horizons]

Have you considered that some people use preWO that aren’t bodybuilding? Or that the product is offered despite this because there’s a demand, EVEN IF it did limit bloodflow and thus gainz?

Strength,endurance,track,sports athletes are all potentially interested in stims.

And the busy dad working swing shift and getting in his hypertrophy work at 3:00am at a 24hr Fitness may need 500mg of caffeine to even show up. Training suboptimally > not training, ya feel me?

Absolutely. But I was more getting at the claims and bull**** in relation to PWO

Imagine if they’re were no pre-workouts like years and years ago? Athletes, sports etc are absolutely no better with them now than they were back in the day. Everyone was fine without them lol

 

[ValiantThor08]

Caffiene was shown to inhibit myostatin in rats, so it could have the potential to aid lean mass building.

 

[horizons]

Preserve muscle not build. Taking a bunch of stims won't increase your gains. Maybe your output but they don't help with muscle growth. And I'm not talking caff. I'm talking about the pre's with designer stims mainly.

They sell sleep aids because they create stim junkies who can't sleep.

Quit using that stuff and your gains will increase.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy a good pre but let's not kid ourselves they help with gains like these companies claim. They don't.

This ^

 

[thebigt]

pre's are like test boosters....the direct influence on muscle building is minimal at best, but the indirect influence can have a very positive affect.

 

[ValiantThor08]

pre's are like test boosters....the direct influence on muscle building is minimal at best, but the indirect influence can have a very positive affect.

Very true. When you feel good, you tend to hit harder.

 

[thebigt]

Very true. When you feel good, you tend to hit harder.

pre's=more energy, motivation, focus, pump...

test boosters=better sleep, mood, motivation, sex drive[alpha feel], increased appetite.

 

[BloodManor]

This thread escalated quickly

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Preserve muscle not build. Taking a bunch of stims won't increase your gains. Maybe your output but they don't help with muscle growth. And I'm not talking caff. I'm talking about the pre's with designer stims mainly.

They sell sleep aids because they create stim junkies who can't sleep.

Quit using that stuff and your gains will increase.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy a good pre but let's not kid ourselves they help with gains like these companies claim. They don't.

If something increases power output, this can increase workload, helping with progressive overload, helping with gains over time.

Caffeine is INHERENTLY a stimulant, so your argument that stimulants hinder gains is therefore disproven.

I’m not saying they’ll help give you more gains than just coffee, but they won’t hurt your gains either.

And if something PRESERVES muscle, how on earth will it reduce your gains? That’s asinine, contradictory logic right there my friend.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

No it won’t hinder gains but also does SFA for muscle gains/body building in general

Show me one single study proving a PWO works for body building that isn’t funded by a supplement company and I will shut my mouth lol

They get you addicted to PWO then get you addicted to take their supplements to sleep. It’s a vicious cycle

I’m aware of all these things but I can’t be a hypocrite. I do use supps occasionally to help me focus, sleep and provide energy. Just don’t think oh this PWO is superior to gains blah blah blah it’s all the same **** when it comes down to it

It’s your money you spend it on what you wanna spend it on

Anyways I’ve derailed this thread haha

It won’t hinder gains, that’s the ONLY thing I’m saying here man. We agree.

And the word “addicted” is thrown around way too much. So you feel a need to use a cheap, legal, and safe product to go to the gym multiple times a week after a long day at work? Terrible “addiction” right?

A “vicious cycle?” Most companies don’t even sell sleep aids man, and most people don’t use sleep aids. And plenty of people can fall asleep after drinking their PWO, which is why they keep wanting something stronger. This logic is unfounded conspiracy talk that spits in the face of most actual evidence.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Absolutely. But I was more getting at the claims and bull**** in relation to PWO

Imagine if they’re were no pre-workouts like years and years ago? Athletes, sports etc are absolutely no better with them now than they were back in the day. Everyone was fine without them lol

Everyone was fine without an iPhone X and a 4k TV too, that doesn’t mean that people can’t enjoy them and get something out of them.

The whole point here is someone said that PWOs HINDER gains. We can agree they don’t, do that’s the main takeaway. Most of them won’t do anything beyond what just normal caffeine will do, sure, but if you need two scoops of XYZ PWO to get to the gym after work, then by virtue of getting you to the gym at all, it made your workout 100% better. Yes, people worked out after work on black coffee for years, but people are entitled to conveniences.

 

[Danksta710]

I get it; you like your stims. No need to defend them so hard...unless there's another reason you like people using them?

Using DMHA or DMAA long term will turn you into a stim junkie. You clearly don't have the same drug experience I do. Lot's of these pre's are using designer research stims similar to already banned substances. They take RC's and mix them with supplements and hope all the other stuff that might actually help you convinces you the product is safe. DMHA and DMAA are CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM stims. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know playing with that is playing with fire. I get it. You like the fact you can buy drugs legally. But you are getting hooked and just don't realize it.

I write this as a recovered addict who still plays with fire (using pre). I know how drugs effect the mind. But please keep defending these designer stims. They clearly mean a lot you.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I get it; you like your stims. No need to defend them so hard...unless there's another reason you like people using them?

Using DMHA or DMAA long term will turn you into a stim junkie. You clearly don't have the same drug experience I do. Lot's of these pre's are using designer research stims similar to already banned substances. They take RC's and mix them with supplements and hope all the other stuff that might actually help you convinces you the product is safe. DMHA and DMAA are CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM stims. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know playing with that is playing with fire. I get it. You like the fact you can buy drugs legally. But you are getting hooked and just don't realize it.

I write this as a recovered addict who still plays with fire (using pre). I know how drugs effect the mind. But please keep defending these designer stims. They clearly mean a lot you.

You do know that caffeine is a CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM STIMULANT too, right? If playing with CNS stimulants is inherently playing with fire, then your morning cup of coffee is, by definition, also playing with fire.

You may know about drugs from personal experience, but you clearly know nothing about science...

 

[muscleupcrohn]

This fallacious logic is insane...

 

[Danksta710]

You do know that caffeine is a CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM STIMULANT too, right? If playing with CNS stimulants is inherently playing with fire, then your morning cup of coffee is, by definition, also playing with fire.

You may know about drugs from personal experience, but you clearly know nothing about science...

Good luck to you. One day you will learn what rationalization really means. Till then have fun being a science dude. Been there done that...

The way caff effects the CNS compared to DMHA is laughable kid.

 

[horizons]

It won’t hinder gains, that’s the ONLY thing I’m saying here man. We agree.

And the word “addicted” is thrown around way too much. So you feel a need to use a cheap, legal, and safe product to go to the gym multiple times a week after a long day at work? Terrible “addiction” right?

A “vicious cycle?” Most companies don’t even sell sleep aids man, and most people don’t use sleep aids. And plenty of people can fall asleep after drinking their PWO, which is why they keep wanting something stronger. This logic is unfounded conspiracy talk that spits in the face of most actual evidence.

Why you getting so defensive bruh IDGAF haha

Addicted is no thrown around too much at all, it’s a fact. There are so many people that literally don’t want to train without a PWO, if that’s not addiction I don’t know what is (I’m guilty of this)

My main point is we are no better or closer to our goals with a PWO, sleep aids etc hell take them all away and I bet you anything we will see zero difference

 

[horizons]

Everyone was fine without an iPhone X and a 4k TV too, that doesn’t mean that people can’t enjoy them and get something out of them.

The whole point here is someone said that PWOs HINDER gains. We can agree they don’t, do that’s the main takeaway. Most of them won’t do anything beyond what just normal caffeine will do, sure, but if you need two scoops of XYZ PWO to get to the gym after work, then by virtue of getting you to the gym at all, it made your workout 100% better. Yes, people worked out after work on black coffee for years, but people are entitled to conveniences.

Yeah agree, life needs to be enjoyable. I’m saying the claims are a load of ****

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Good luck to you. One day you will learn what rationalization really means. Till then have fun being a science dude. Been there done that...

The way caff effects the CNS compared to DMHA is laughable kid.

And maybe one day you will learn what fallacious logic is. Hint, you’ve used it several times already. You’re an addict so you’re an expert on addiction? Just like the guy who had a heart attack is a cardiologist, right?

You’re making claims that are objectively scientifically inaccurate. Being an addict doesn’t trump sconce...

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Yeah agree, life needs to be enjoyable. I’m saying the claims are a load of ****

Yeah, 95% of supplement claims are greatly exaggerated. I’ll give you that. I think we’ve beat this dead horse enough.

And for the record, I prefer moderate caffeine, very few exotic stimulants, and more nootropics. I just like to be accurate haha.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Why you getting so defensive bruh IDGAF haha

Addicted is no thrown around too much at all, it’s a fact. There are so many people that literally don’t want to train without a PWO, if that’s not addiction I don’t know what is (I’m guilty of this)

My main point is we are no better or closer to our goals with a PWO, sleep aids etc hell take them all away and I bet you anything we will see zero difference

I’ll tell you what an addiction is. It’s when it has negative effects on your life. Jail, losing jobs, loved ones, etc. If the only negative is that you have to spend $1/day on a legal supplement, what’s really the negative? So you won’t workout without it? Oh well, then just buy it. If it gets you to the gym, then it’s a net positive. It’s better for you than drinking large soda all day for sure.

Alcohol addiction leads to DUIs, losing your job, ruined relationships, etc.

Cigarettes lead to lung cancer.

What do PWOs really do that’s even comparable to this?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

And I’m being a bit unfair to you horizons, you’re entitled to your opinions on addiction vs dependence etc. I guess I’m just going off on a tangent based on Danksta710’s asinine claims, and that’s my bad. I’m sorry man.