Its a holiday, no mail today...probably why no update,
let the games begin!They’re up fellas! Just placed my order.
I love M-Sten, it is one of the few compounds that gives me zero bloat. My wife hates the bloat look so I'll be picking some up eventually, once I get thru some of my other goodies. At 30mg/day my strength went through the roof by the end of week 3.Oh boy.. Debating Msten for later this year. Just about to finish up a DMZ run from VL and stoked on the gains from the run. I feel like people really like Msten, almost as DMZ's stronger brother.
Decisions, decisions..
DMZ alone is much stronger than 1 ad and 4 ad combined..Heard great things about these products. I would like to grab a few for January/February and do a 4 week cycle as its time to graduate from the DHEA. Hoping the products would still be good in 6 months anyway.
Is DMZ stacked with MSTEN and LMG for a lean bulk? I imagine the results are much stronger than 1-AD and 4-AD PHs.
Is Test E required/recommended with this or do you not need a test base?
If a test base is needed would 4-AD be fine?
After reading up a bit more seems Dermatrest would be good with DMZ.DMZ alone is much stronger than 1 ad and 4 ad combined..
some people prefer to take test with any thing you can however take any of these, alone or stacked with or with out test, or testbase
I would wager you wont really achieve what youd hope with the use of 4 AD.
the products will store for years as long as you keep them in a cool dry place.
If you have some time to kill, I recommend you check out my log if you haven't: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-logs/304805-first-cycle-dmz.htmlAfter reading up a bit more seems Dermatrest would be good with DMZ.
Would DMZ alone for 4 weeks be best or should it be stacked with other Vicious products? How do these compare to traditional anabolics like a D-Bol/Var +500mg Test-e cycle?
Note: I will do proper research as I am underinformed on the Methyls. However I will play safe with support and SERMs. This is just where I am starting my quest for information.
What dosage of dmz per day?If you have some time to kill, I recommend you check out my log if you haven't: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-logs/304805-first-cycle-dmz.html
Cliff notes: I'm running DMZ without any test base. I've had lethargic times because of this, but nothing that was a true show stopper. I wish I can compare DMZ to traditional AAS, but unfortunately can't for you. I've gained about 13lbs by now, week 7, with only a slight (3-400 calorie) surplus the whole time and my waist has remained unchanged. I am holding water/glycogen, especially after a cheat meal or two over the weekend, but it falls right off in 2-3 days and my waist returns to normal. Strength gains have been unreal.
Oh yeah should've put that in the cliff notes.What dosage of dmz per day?
also have this same questionso in terms of weakest to strongest on those three goes lmg - dmz - msten?
actually, I think the msten and dmz can be swapped either way.. ... they are both pretty strong, it would really come down to which your body prefers..so in terms of weakest to strongest on those three goes lmg - dmz - msten?
a test base wouldn't guarantee any change in lethargy.. that's purely subjective to the individual, and the compounds being used.. there is probably a far better correlation between dosage and lethargy than anything else.If you have some time to kill, I recommend you check out my log if you haven't: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-logs/304805-first-cycle-dmz.html
Cliff notes: I'm running DMZ without any test base. I've had lethargic times because of this, but nothing that was a true show stopper. I wish I can compare DMZ to traditional AAS, but unfortunately can't for you. I've gained about 13lbs by now, week 7, with only a slight (3-400 calorie) surplus the whole time and my waist has remained unchanged. I am holding water/glycogen, especially after a cheat meal or two over the weekend, but it falls right off in 2-3 days and my waist returns to normal. Strength gains have been unreal.
They’re closing up shop, ZF, as soon as their current stock is sold out. So if you want some Superdiol or some TD 11KT or Desoxytest, grab it now.Trying to join the VL forum. Curious to learn a bit more about the zero flux products.
Where’s SD at?They’re closing up shop, ZF, as soon as their current stock is sold out. So if you want some Superdiol or some TD 11KT or Desoxytest, grab it now.
Im trying to figure out exactly what everything is. Theres no info listed for any of it.They’re closing up shop, ZF, as soon as their current stock is sold out. So if you want some Superdiol or some TD 11KT or Desoxytest, grab it now.
ZeroFlux brought out a clone of the old Celtic Labs Celtic Mass product, Super-diol. Back then guys allegedly used 40-90mg/day and said it felt very much like SD, albeit kicking in a bit slower. Harsher than DMZ, weaker than Sdrol.Where’s SD at?
Just logged in. That and Androisoxazole are gone. So they are down to Dienelone Enanthate oil and TDs of 11KT, Desoxytest, Epicatechin, & some kind of cortisol-control compound.Im not seeing the superdiol.
I got that. I’m just wondering where it’s at because I’m not seeing it on there site.ZeroFlux brought out a clone of the old Celtic Labs Celtic Mass product, Super-diol. Back then guys allegedly used 40-90mg/day and said it felt very much like SD, albeit kicking in a bit slower. Harsher than DMZ, weaker than Sdrol.
Very cool they brought it back, because when Celtic/PHF owner passed it went with him until recently. RIP.
I haven’t tried Superdiol but still have a couple bottles of Mass I need to try.
you can usually stack them, so for next time.. put the rep code in the comment box after you enter the other code.. this doesn't always work but you should always try! ZOO is a legit badass when it comes to discountsSaw on FB that code GNZSZN gets you 15% off at VL (compared to the 10% rep code). Wish I would've known that before I ordered hundred of dollars worth of goodies...
Good to know! Learn from my mistake, people!you can usually stack them, so for next time.. put the rep code in the comment box after you enter the other code.. this doesn't always work but you should always try! ZOO is a legit badass when it comes to discounts
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when they stack its done after the fact.. as in you wont see it when you hit the enter button, he would make those once the order was processed.Codes doesnt stack and I don’t blame zoo. 15% is still a nice intro discount
What sides are we talking about? I've ran dmz numerous times and granted the sides do suck, they are manageable. The one side that isnt, is BP/Anxiety. I want to order MSten bad, but are the sides anxiety that you speak of?actually, I think the msten and dmz can be swapped either way.. ... they are both pretty strong, it would really come down to which your body prefers..
for me its DMZ. I cant handle the sides from msten
im sure if he catches the email in time you will hear from him.. hes pretty sharp that way.I sent Zoo an email needing to add to my order but not sure if I need to cancel my previous or if he can fix it. Would like everything to come at once.
not for me my good bro.. I get terrible cramping.. mostly in my abdomen.. like full on muscle clampdown.. sooo painful and hard to relieveWhat sides are we talking about? I've ran dmz numerous times and granted the sides do suck, they are manageable. The one side that isnt, is BP/Anxiety. I want to order MSten bad, but are the sides anxiety that you speak of?
Msten isn’t really going to give you that “dry” look like epistane, winny, etc. It wont make you bloat though, unless your diet is ****. I gained water on it, but I ate like a fatass because my goal was to get as big as possible during that cycle.Oh okay as long as it's not BP or Anxiety I can deal. I'm hoping this VL Msten is drier than DMZ.
ZF hasn’t been able to source Trest in a minute. I am not aware of almost any site that has oil preparations left actually.I get anxiety from dht in general. I wouldn't say msten gives you anxiety unless your already anxiuos. I myself already have anxiousness. Trestolone definitely can give anxiety though . But I don't think thats on vl web site only zeroflux
What about the other two compounds rumored to release? When will those come? I have a good idea what one of them is and plan on ordering it as well.shhhhh............I think. its coming........... shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Hmm...shhhhh............I think. its coming........... shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
When did this rumor start? Don’t recall it being mentioned here...What about the other two compounds rumored to release? When will those come? I have a good idea what one of them is and plan on ordering it as well.
Pretty sure zoo mentioned it on the vicious forumsWhen did this rumor start? Don’t recall it being mentioned here...
I’d gotten the impression after this coming in today there may be no more.
like anything in the grey market... until the hammer swings we will continue to embrace capitalism! the day they stop the flow of raw materials we are all S o L .. which could be tomorrow. basically the market is currently in a precarious spot.. the second something like this goes through, the best play is to double down and get more coming.. right now though that's a huge risk! so I think future efforts will be more placed towards new designers that can fall between the cracks. again currently trestolone falls into this grey area. So with that said, I don't want to get out in front of ZOO on this, and I maintain that the current state of the market is bleek at best and you really should invest as the opportunities present.When did this rumor start? Don’t recall it being mentioned here...
I’d gotten the impression after this coming in today there may be no more.
Zoo treats peopleVLs customer support is on point!