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Any word on any NEW protein flavors. I am also disappointed it is the WCM flavor. There are so many great ideas for a winter flavor:

Molasses Cookie
Gingerbread
Frosted Sugar Cookie
Hot Chocolate Cocoa
Egg Nog
Red Velvet Cake

The list could go on...
Don't bother, they don't listen. Cost savings, just use the same flavoring and release the same flavor year after year...no R&D costs on a new flavor, etc. As soon as they said "Well our Instagram followers wanted WCM over Pumpkin, Gingerbread, etc." I wrote them off.
 
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^knows nothing about how much work our R&D team actually does.

Expects us to listen to minority requests over what the majority of our fans want.

All this has been discussed repeatedly in detail with reasonings from our reps

To each their own I guess but your poorly formed assumptions may better belong on Facebook.
 
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Posting in the best oats forum too but the Vanilla is amazing and you can practically add anything to make it seasonal.

Vanilla with some pumpkin puree and pumpkin pie spice. Topped which whipped cream, basically eating a pumpkin pie! YUM

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Don't bother, they don't listen. Cost savings, just use the same flavoring and release the same flavor year after year...no R&D costs on a new flavor, etc. As soon as they said "Well our Instagram followers wanted WCM over Pumpkin, Gingerbread, etc." I wrote them off.
I am more than happy to listen to customer criticisms as we take all feedback very seriously.

I am going to have to correct you on a few things though.

1) You say we "don't listen". Do you know how many flavours we have experimented with solely because people on the forums or on social media have requested them? We are literally experimenting with several flavours of several products at any one time. If you think we don't listen to people you are 100% mistaken.
2) If we wanted to save costs we would have never bothered tweaking the white chocolate mint flavouring. It sold really well one year so why bother trying to make it better? We thought we could improve it so we spent time and money improving it even though we knew it would sell anyway.
3) If this was solely about money we wouldn't even release the white chocolate mint flavour again. The profit margins on protein are tiny so it would make no sense to launch a limited flavour we sold before when we make barely any money on it. Keep in mind that we have to contribute to shipping costs to keep them as low as we can for customers. The insider sale isn't even about building hype for a new flavour we are about to release because once this is sold out it is sold out. It isn't like it creates a huge amount of hype for a flavour that is about to be sold across the market.
4) You are using it against us that we say we are listening to customers. If this is a bad thing then we are 100% guilty.

To summarise, relaunching a limited edition flavour with such an aggressive price point makes absolutely no sense because it isn't anywhere near as profitable as launching a product which is then sold for $10 more on our website and then rolled out across the entire market.

We actually didn't intend to do white chocolate mint after the first year but we got so many requests for it we decided to do it again. The same thing happened this year. This doesn't mean we aren't working on new flavours, it just means we decided to keep the large amount of customers who had been asking for this happy. We are still working on other flavours.

Look at our Instagram feed and see how many people say they love the flavour and how many people say they wanted it back. That is exactly the reason we launched it again.

Maybe you don't like the flavour (fine, personal preferences and all) but to say we don't invest money into developing new flavours could not really be further from the truth lol. :)
 
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I should have bought more of these than Vanilla last year. Vanilla is nice but I guess I’m not a Vanilla kind of guy. Need something more.
I have never really been a vanilla guy. I actually argued against us ever launching it. The company owner said we wanted to launch a vanilla that we genuinely felt was the best tasting on the market otherwise we wouldn't bother. Some customers still buy vanilla as a flavour so we should see what we can do.

When we blind taste tested it with people unaffiliated with the company it became obvious we had to release it. It was unanimously the best voted against vanilla flavours that people considered the tastiest on the market.

It is the first vanilla I have ever really loved because it is thick and creamy. It is definitely a milder flavour than something like snickerdoodle, frosted chocolate cupcake or cookies n cream though. Some people like it for that exact reason whereas some people prefer a stronger and sweeter flavour. :)

I hate living so far away. You guys have it good with shipping. WCM looks amazing but I only tried it the first time, and now that it has been tweaked im even more intrigued.

Damn you all
I am working hard on paperwork to export to Australasia as we speak now we have a new distributor there. It is quite a time consuming process though so I apologise for the delay. Once the paperwork is finalised they intend to import all Select flavours so all of them (white chocolate mint aside) should be available to you then. :)
 
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^knows nothing about how much work our R&D team actually does.

Expects us to listen to minority requests over what the majority of our fans want.

All this has been discussed repeatedly in detail with reasonings from our reps

To each their own I guess but your poorly formed assumptions may better belong on Facebook.
Not to mention the vast array of products and flavors we have released in that same year time frame from the last heavenly WCM release. ;)
 
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I am more than happy to listen to customer criticisms as we take all feedback very seriously.

I am going to have to correct you on a few things though.

1) You say we "don't listen". Do you know how many flavours we have experimented with solely because people on the forums or on social media have requested them? We are literally experimenting with several flavours of several products at any one time. If you think we don't listen to people you are 100% mistaken.
2) If we wanted to save costs we would have never bothered tweaking the white chocolate mint flavouring. It sold really well one year so why bother trying to make it better? We thought we could improve it so we spent time and money improving it even though we knew it would sell anyway.
3) If this was solely about money we wouldn't even release the white chocolate mint flavour again. The profit margins on protein are tiny so it would make no sense to launch a limited flavour we sold before when we make barely any money on it. Keep in mind that we have to contribute to shipping costs to keep them as low as we can for customers. The insider sale isn't even about building hype for a new flavour we are about to release because once this is sold out it is sold out. It isn't like it creates a huge amount of hype for a flavour that is about to be sold across the market.
4) You are using it against us that we say we are listening to customers. If this is a bad thing then we are 100% guilty.

To summarise, relaunching a limited edition flavour with such an aggressive price point makes absolutely no sense because it isn't anywhere near as profitable as launching a product which is then sold for $10 more on our website and then rolled out across the entire market.

We actually didn't intend to do white chocolate mint after the first year but we got so many requests for it we decided to do it again. The same thing happened this year. This doesn't mean we aren't working on new flavours, it just means we decided to keep the large amount of customers who had been asking for this happy. We are still working on other flavours.

Look at our Instagram feed and see how many people say they love the flavour and how many people say they wanted it back. That is exactly the reason we launched it again.

Maybe you don't like the flavour (fine, personal preferences and all) but to say we don't invest money into developing new flavours could not really be further from the truth lol. :)
As always great response Ben. When looking at it we do seem pretty selfish and greedy releasing a largely requested customer favorite for a one time sale at an amazing 19.99 price on a 2lb tub. ;)
 
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The only reason we release things “slower” is perfection takes time.

We aim to be the best. Heard it countless times from Ben and others in the company. Sometimes that means delays, it always means more R&D expense, but we will not settle.

Short-cuts are what separate the best from the rest
 
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The only reason we release things “slower” is perfection takes time.

We aim to be the best. Heard it countless times from Ben and others in the company. Sometimes that means delays, it always means more R&D expense, but we will not settle.

Short-cuts are what separate the best from the rest
The other thing is, our flavouring process also takes a lot longer now than it did when we first launched.

Originally we had snickerdoodle, milk chocolate and cookies n cream. Milk chocolate generally got slightly weaker reviews so we replaced it with frosted chocolate cupcake which is now one of our very best sellers. Adding in peanut butter cup and peanut butter cookie means we have a very strong range of flavours as well as more diversity.

If we launch something we need it to be different to our current products which gets trickier as we release more flavours. Our average flavour rating is also higher now than when we first launched. The way we see it is we don't want a new flavour to dilute our rating, it has to add to it.

For example, if our average flavour rating was 9/10 (can you ever get a 10/10?) and we launched an 8/10 we have taken a step backwards. We now want a 9/10 and 9.5/10.

So new Select flavours have to be better than ever and we have a shrinking list of flavours to work with now our flavour range is more diverse.

We have had some really, really strong flavours that have been developed but I don't think they can quite make the cut for the standards we set ourselves.

On that note, it is really frustrating when customers on a forum complain we don't listen to flavour suggestions as we have tested so many out in the past 24 months I wouldn't be able to recall them by memory. It isn't a case of us not listening, it is a case of us listening very intently and then working on them for months before we decide if we can launch them or not. Our standards are so high that we won't release anything that isn't considered one of our very best flavours by the majority of testers. A good review just isn't 'good' enough for us, we need 'amazing'. We also need 'amazing' from a majority of reviewers, not a flavour that half our customers love and half our customers hate.

It is a long, expensive and meticulous process.
 
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By the way, there was some back and forth regarding Malaysia (there were some complications they hadn't made me aware of) and are now ready to move forward.

Just keeping you in the loop while I remember. :)
 
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So another successful insider is near an end. Hope everyone stocked up! I just mixed a little chocolat syrup into my nightly shake and can say it actually dulled the great flavor of WCM. Sometimes it's best not to mess with something so delightful to begin with. :)
 

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Tried the first release and really enjoyed it, are the newer batches less minty?
 
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Ok, so - I am fairly vocal when I see negative things from PES over the past few years, but I have always stood by the fact that they are a great protein powder company. When they first released the WCM a couple years ago I bought 3 or 4 tubs of it and that was a mistake for me - I can see some people liking it a lot; but it wasn't my style. I had a quick curve where the first shake was OK, then shakes 2-5 were really good, then the mint got old fast and it quickly got to the point where I had 2 tubs that I had to suck down. It was too minty, which it sounds like they've heard and updated the flavor. I haven't had a chance to try the PB Cookie flavor yet and I've got a little cash for protein so I went in for 55 servings of PB Cookie and 1 tub of the WCM.

What I want to point out is that these insiders often create a large volume of orders for PES (I would assume, but also based on past experiences) - and it took them about 16 hours to pack and ship my order and that included sleeping hours. I'm excited to try the flavors and still looking forward to new Select flavors. If I had the cash I would have bout 55 serving tubs of all of the non-seasonal flavors. The new directions may not be my style, but they still have top notch customer service and I want to call them out for that.
 
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Ok, so - I am fairly vocal when I see negative things from PES over the past few years, but I have always stood by the fact that they are a great protein powder company. When they first released the WCM a couple years ago I bought 3 or 4 tubs of it and that was a mistake for me - I can see some people liking it a lot; but it wasn't my style. I had a quick curve where the first shake was OK, then shakes 2-5 were really good, then the mint got old fast and it quickly got to the point where I had 2 tubs that I had to suck down. It was too minty, which it sounds like they've heard and updated the flavor. I haven't had a chance to try the PB Cookie flavor yet and I've got a little cash for protein so I went in for 55 servings of PB Cookie and 1 tub of the WCM.

What I want to point out is that these insiders often create a large volume of orders for PES (I would assume, but also based on past experiences) - and it took them about 16 hours to pack and ship my order and that included sleeping hours. I'm excited to try the flavors and still looking forward to new Select flavors. If I had the cash I would have bout 55 serving tubs of all of the non-seasonal flavors. The new directions may not be my style, but they still have top notch customer service and I want to call them out for that.
That you for sharing this. Appreciate the kind words. I'm not even sure how our shipping team pulls it off.
 
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Tried the first release and really enjoyed it, are the newer batches less minty?
Slightly. The overpowering flavor was evened out and has had amazing feedback from those who thought the mint was a bit much on the initial release.
 
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Really hard to say how much less minty the reformulation is...

Others may chime in with their thoughts on it, I’d say maybe 1/3 less minty than the first edition of White Chocolate Mint.
 
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Really hard to say how much less minty the reformulation is...

Others may chime in with their thoughts on it, I’d say maybe 1/3 less minty than the first edition of White Chocolate Mint.
Just the right ratio was achieved! :)
 
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Just the right ratio was achieved! :)
As said previously I love all there flavors but the WCM didn't do it for me last year. Now with them updating the flavor would they be willing to send out sample packs for people to try and fall in love with?

I would be game!
 
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The flavor was updated last year to fix the ratio from the year before. So this year is the same flavor as last seasons. Therefore this flavor will just remain a KJ not approved flavor. :/

Some flavors just aren't for everyone I suppose. But at least it's only the seasonal flavor you aren't a fan of so you have the other options year round. :)
 
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Received my tub yesterday and its official, WCM is my favorite PES flavor of all time. Simply awesome with amazing authentic taste! Opening the tub the smell of delicious peppermint fills the air. Such as when I open a new box of real good quality peppermint bark at Christmas! Great job goes out to PES for making this limited edition flavor!
 
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As said previously I love all there flavors but the WCM didn't do it for me last year. Now with them updating the flavor would they be willing to send out sample packs for people to try and fall in love with?

I would be game!
if you had last year's flavor, you had this year's... last year was the update, not the OG (2 years ago)
 
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Sorry didn't know that guys! Darn! I love new flavors. But the Protein4Oats are amazing so I am very satisfied. Plus Vanilla, PB Cookie, FCC, CPBC are all time favssss! I feel like they should get rid of Cookies n Cream, definitely my least favorite IMO.
 
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Woah.

3 days and it was packed & shipped from Florida to Canada.

I am a happy Driven

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Last year I didn't actually get any tubs myself.

We launched the insider as soon as they got to the warehouse and to be courteous I waited to put my order through as I didn't want to add burden to the already busy warehouse schedule so thought I would let all customer orders to first.

Unfortunately for me (selfishly) this meant everything sold out and I never got to order a tub.

This year we manufactured more and I put my order through as soon as the insider was finished so they will be with me next week. :D
 
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Received my tub yesterday and its official, WCM is my favorite PES flavor of all time. Simply awesome with amazing authentic taste! Opening the tub the smell of delicious peppermint fills the air. Such as when I open a new box of real good quality peppermint bark at Christmas! Great job goes out to PES for making this limited edition flavor!
Our pleasure, I am glad you like it so much.

Reviews like this help mitigate the pain of all the abuse we get for not having a brand new limited edition flavour every year lol. :)
 
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Our pleasure, I am glad you like it so much.

Reviews like this help mitigate the pain of all the abuse we get for not having a brand new limited edition flavour every year lol. :)
WCM is perfect to be released just before the holidays. Its a winter flavor! Fits the season :)
 
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Received my tub yesterday and its official, WCM is my favorite PES flavor of all time. Simply awesome with amazing authentic taste! Opening the tub the smell of delicious peppermint fills the air. Such as when I open a new box of real good quality peppermint bark at Christmas! Great job goes out to PES for making this limited edition flavor!
lol - I am Mr. Negative I know - but check back after you've had 3/4 or more of the tub and let me know how you like it then. I'm HOPING the new flavor doesn't have the same effect it had on me 2 years ago, but it got old fast...so I only ordered 1 tub this time around, but I may be surprised. It's seasonal, and honestly, just kind of fun anyway so 1 tub is good even if it's not the best. I will either be pleasantly surprised or I will end up with KJ and just have to stick to EVERY OTHER FLAVOR of PES. They are all top notch...I just may not like the minty proteins. haha.
 
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Definitely unique from person to person, I enjoyed it more as I got further in.

Last year I was addicted by tub 2-3 and seriously grumpy I didn’t get more when I finished 6

The 1.5L shake I just made after leg day was supposed to be sipped and enjoyed over time. It might have lasted 5 minutes

Just how I remember it
 
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Always strange to read a review of something you LOVE and hear it wasn’t fully enjoyed.

Like... the people who dislike chocolate. It just doesn’t compute
Tastebuds are fickle and unique, we’re lucky people find common ground at all and mass production of products is even possible. We know not everyone will experience it the same, which sucks, but at least our flavour selection is ever broadening

Which is your fave Select again HIT4ME ?
 
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Always strange to read a review of something you LOVE and hear it wasn’t fully enjoyed.

Like... the people who dislike chocolate. It just doesn’t compute
Tastebuds are fickle and unique, we’re lucky people find common ground at all and mass production of products is even possible. We know not everyone will experience it the same, which sucks, but at least our flavour selection is ever broadening

Which is your fave Select again HIT4ME ?
Haha, that is tough. I am a PB lover by nature, so PBCup is great and I feel like my loyalty to PB means that should be my favorite, but, I honestly think CNC really is the #1. Surprisingly, the FCC is a close close 3rd behind PBC. Vanilla and Snickerdoodle are solid. Any of the standard flavors from PES are good enough that I really look forward to them.

I have high expectations of the PB Cookie that is on the way, haven't tried that one yet. I have a feeling all the ratings above could be moved down a notch...we will see...
 
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By your rankings I can see you prefer the sweeter options, I hear you on that.

If you are a PB guy you are going to love PB Cookie. If you’ve had Nutter Butters that’s the taste. I’ll be awaiting your thoughts after that first shake for sure
 
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By your rankings I can see you prefer the sweeter options, I hear you on that.

If you are a PB guy you are going to love PB Cookie. If you’ve had Nutter Butters that’s the taste. I’ll be awaiting your thoughts after that first shake for sure
Ooohhhh fuuuuugggg.....that tub isn't going to last long.
 
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My second favorite flavor is PB cookie. The best PB protein I have ever tasted!
What is your favorite....I am picturing myself just spooning it in...no fluid...Like I've done with pbfit.
 
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Received my tub yesterday and its official, WCM is my favorite PES flavor of all time. Simply awesome with amazing authentic taste! Opening the tub the smell of delicious peppermint fills the air. Such as when I open a new box of real good quality peppermint bark at Christmas! Great job goes out to PES for making this limited edition flavor!
Glad you love it brother. I seriously go on a binge right when the seasonal release happens then take a month off then binge again. After that I leave a tub to occasionally get a shake in and finish it off before the next drop. Works perfectly and I always get my fix when I want it!
Sorry didn't know that guys! Darn! I love new flavors. But the Protein4Oats are amazing so I am very satisfied. Plus Vanilla, PB Cookie, FCC, CPBC are all time favssss! I feel like they should get rid of Cookies n Cream, definitely my least favorite IMO.
It's all good. I'm getting down low on my P4O. Have to get some peanut buttery good news in my cart soon!
Last year I didn't actually get any tubs myself.

We launched the insider as soon as they got to the warehouse and to be courteous I waited to put my order through as I didn't want to add burden to the already busy warehouse schedule so thought I would let all customer orders to first.

Unfortunately for me (selfishly) this meant everything sold out and I never got to order a tub.

This year we manufactured more and I put my order through as soon as the insider was finished so they will be with me next week. :D
Oh buddy did you miss out. The remake was so on point. Bet you are giddy after the long wait!
 
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Despite me being one of PES biggest fans I don’t think I’ve tried Select CnC or Snickerdoodle.

Speaking of peanut butter, CPBC > PBC in my opinion.
 
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PB Cookie is by far my favorite!
PB cookie has had me hooked for a while. I usually can't even put an order for my top flavors as I usually just rotate them and tend to switch favorites so often. At the moment I'm using PB cookie, WCM, FCC and CPBC and rotate them almost every day. Keeps each one fresh for me.
 
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What is your favorite....I am picturing myself just spooning it in...no fluid...Like I've done with pbfit.
White Chocolate Mint is my favorite. Everytime I open the tub the aroma puts a smile on my face. I just love MINT.

Maybe PEScience will release a Mint Chocolate Chip Ice cream in the future. That would be good!
 
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White Chocolate Mint is my favorite. Everytime I open the tub the aroma puts a smile on my face. I just love MINT.

Maybe PEScience will release a Mint Chocolate Chip Ice cream in the future. That would be good!
That was actually my first request when Select was in the development stages. This was close enough so I make sure to stock up when it releases. That is my favorite ice cream flavor. :)
 
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Keep your mint chip ice cream boys, I want some Butterscotch ice cream first
 
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Just tried WCM. WOW! It's my favorite initial taste of any of the Select flavors. Mintier than I thought it would be. Can taste more mint than chocolate. Great after taste. It's a little sweet and I can see myself only drinking this when I need to fill that sweet tooth. Don't know if I will like it post workout. Can't imagine what the initial mint would have been like. I am definitely a future buyer of WCM. Can't wait to make cookies and ice cream with it!
 
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Haven’t had anything but WCM since I got mine in, once I kill a tub I’ll start alternating again lol I missed this
 
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Just tried WCM. WOW! It's my favorite initial taste of any of the Select flavors. Mintier than I thought it would be. Can taste more mint than chocolate. Great after taste. It's a little sweet and I can see myself only drinking this when I need to fill that sweet tooth. Don't know if I will like it post workout. Can't imagine what the initial mint would have been like. I am definitely a future buyer of WCM. Can't wait to make cookies and ice cream with it!
I actually enjoyed the first version and it got mainly positive feedback but dialing back the mint to chocolate ratio was for sure the real winner. Glad you enjoyed sir. :)
 
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WCM is even better in milk. Way creamier. I usually like my shakes better in water.
 

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I just got my 3 tubs on Saturday and opened one today since I was started to get a little burnt out on Peanut Butter Cookie.

It's definitely a great flavor and a nice change for the holiday season. The picture on the front of the tub nails exactly what it tastes like, Peppermint Bark. So congrats to whoever formulated the flavor it is spot on. It opens with a creamy chocolate flavor and finishes with a sharper candy cane taste.

I have all my PES flavors with water and it was thick enough for me.
 
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WCM is even better in milk. Way creamier. I usually like my shakes better in water.
Definitely like the texture of the WCM in milk. I usually love a thin mixture but something about WCM stands out with that thick consistency.
 

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