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NTNM - Diet , my un-scientific approach to leanness

MrKleen73 said:
I know of a guy who would say that you have gone to deep into the fasting and low calories with all of the resistance training. That guy would make mention of the fact your recent weight gain is VERY likely water retention from excessively high cortisol levels that will slow fat loss and rob you of hard earned muscle. That guy might suggest IntraWorkout supplementation like carbs and whey isolate to stave off this effect, and prolong the diet. He may even push the subject since you are now willing to introduce supplements to treat symptoms of this situation like a stimmed diet powder. Now that the "keeping as basic as possible" principle is not being used. Perhaps you could consider other supplements that could resolve the issue and clear up the symptoms instead of just tossing something for energy on top of it.

In other words... don't toss gasoline on the fire to get the flames up while your house is burning down... add things to resolve the issue instead if you are going to add something.

I know you do have a plan and are testing a theory or idea out. I know what the results will end up being with the current strategy and am just trying to provide some options to help improve the process, rather than only being a cheerleader for you.
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This guy who told you that, seems to know what he is talking about. I like him!
Have "Karbolyn" at hand for intra workout carb supplementation, I also have a bottle of "Invictus" laying around, for cortisol control.
Like most guys here on AM, I have a fridge full of goodies, waiting to be used.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I know of a guy who would say that you have gone to deep into the fasting and low calories with all of the resistance training. That guy would make mention of the fact your recent weight gain is VERY likely water retention from excessively high cortisol levels that will slow fat loss and rob you of hard earned muscle. That guy might suggest IntraWorkout supplementation like carbs and whey isolate to stave off this effect, and prolong the diet. He may even push the subject since you are now willing to introduce supplements to treat symptoms of this situation like a stimmed diet powder. Now that the "keeping as basic as possible" principle is not being used. Perhaps you could consider other supplements that could resolve the issue and clear up the symptoms instead of just tossing something for energy on top of it.

In other words... don't toss gasoline on the fire to get the flames up while your house is burning down... add things to resolve the issue instead if you are going to add something.

I know you do have a plan and are testing a theory or idea out. I know what the results will end up being with the current strategy and am just trying to provide some options to help improve the process, rather than only being a cheerleader for you.
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Sounds like a smart guy.
hairygrandpa Or, you could just, you know, eat some stuff.
 
hairygrandpa said:
This guy who told you that, seems to know what he is talking about. I like him!
Have "Karbolyn" at hand for intra workout carb supplementation, I also have a bottle of "Invictus" laying around, for cortisol control.
Like most guys here on AM, I have a fridge full of goodies, waiting to be used.
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Nice, some carbs and cortisol supplement should definitely help!
SFreed said:
Sounds like a smart guy.
hairygrandpa Or, you could just, you know, eat some stuff.
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He ain't too bad off but no genius. ;) Yeah eating some stuff works too!!!!!
 
SFreed said:
Sounds like a smart guy.
hairygrandpa Or, you could just, you know, eat some stuff.
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It starts with a bit more of carbs, here -and there and ends in a binge. Eating nothing is somehow easier for me. Will make very few adjustments to not trigger a binge, like some meat on off days. The diet has to be renamed to NTNMBSM (No train-no meal, but some meat). LOL WTF?
 
So MrKleen73 knows a guy that knows a guy that married the sister of a guy that shared a locker with a guy in highschool that went to an exhibition where he met a guy that once did the NTNM diet and had to change it up like Kleen is suggesting.
 
lukehayd said:
So MrKleen73 knows a guy that knows a guy that married the sister of a guy that shared a locker with a guy in highschool that went to an exhibition where he met a guy that once did the NTNM diet and had to change it up like Kleen is suggesting.
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I wouldn't consider changes if MrKleen73 would suggest it. Who in his right mind would do that? He is a known creatine abuser.
;)
 
I would think the Caffeine in the Radiate, would help with water retention ????
 
Rocket3015 said:
I would think the Caffeine in the Radiate, would help with water retention ????
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When sitting at my desk at work, I have at least 4 huge cups of coffee every day.
No problem with water retention here, it's more about fat retention, LOL.
I hope Radiate gives me some focus for my workouts -and a bit of aggression.
 
hairygrandpa said:
When sitting at my desk at work, I have at least 4 huge cups of coffee every day.
No problem with water retention here, it's more about fat retention, LOL.
I hope Radiate gives me some focus for my workouts -and a bit of aggression.
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Dealing with the public is what gives me aggression. And issues with alcohol occasionally.
 
SFreed said:
Dealing with the public is what gives me aggression. And issues with alcohol occasionally.
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Sounds misanthropic to me. I can relate to that, LOL! Your advise is 100gr vodka pre- workout, right?
 
lukehayd said:
So MrKleen73 knows a guy that knows a guy that married the sister of a guy that shared a locker with a guy in highschool that went to an exhibition where he met a guy that once did the NTNM diet and had to change it up like Kleen is suggesting.
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You know him too?
hairygrandpa said:
I wouldn't consider changes if MrKleen73 would suggest it. Who in his right mind would do that? He is a known creatine abuser.
;)
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No doubt!
hairygrandpa said:
When sitting at my desk at work, I have at least 4 huge cups of coffee every day.
No problem with water retention here, it's more about fat retention, LOL.
I hope Radiate gives me some focus for my workouts -and a bit of aggression.
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Oh it is great stuff! Will definitely help.
 
Pre-Gym day 9:

As advised by a friend -of a friend of MrKleen73 , I filled my workout bottle with some whey and karbolyn, breaking my self invented rules. If anything goes wrong, tell my wife that I love her -and that I hid the money in an empty tub of BCAA's. Also tell her, that she is not the mother of our son, -probably SFreed is.
 
Back/Shoulders

Seated row
150lbs x20/20
230lbs x12/12
Drop
200lbs x8
Drop
165 lbs x11

Lat pull down:
150lbs x20/20
230lbs x6
200lbs x10/10
Drop
165 x11/9

Cable lat push down bar
50lbs x18
65lbs x15/16
80lbs x12/10/9

Face pulls
Hammer fist at ear hight x 4 sets
Regular face pulls x 6 sets

EZ-bar pendlay rows narrow grip:
150lbs x10/10 (holding 1 sec)
200lbs x10/10

DB lateral rises
2x15lbs, never to zero x15/15/12
2x20lbs, never to zero x10/8/8
2x25lbs x 12/10/7

DB declined front rises
2x15lbs x20/20
2x25lbs x14/12

Seated bent over rear delt rises
2x35lbs x10/8/8/6

Roman chair x15/14

Meal of the day, eating while typing: 15 scrambled eggs + pasta+ champignon
 
I drank a barrel aged stout while reading your post.

Carry on.
 
hairygrandpa said:
How do you stay so lean?
I look like I had a barrel every day , for the last couple of months.... damn.
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Stress and job pressure. And I learned from you to never show my belly in a picture. And I try to always stand next to fat people, so I automatically look thinner by comparison. It's all about the perception.
 
SFreed said:
Stress and job pressure. And I learned from you to never show my belly in a picture. And I try to always stand next to fat people, so I automatically look thinner by comparison. It's all about the perception.
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To refute the belly-hiding accusation, here some before and after pics.

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Lol. You guys crack me up!!!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Pre-Gym day 9:

As advised by a friend -of a friend of MrKleen73 , I filled my workout bottle with some whey and karbolyn, breaking my self invented rules. If anything goes wrong, tell my wife that I love her -and that I hid the money in an empty tub of BCAA's. Also tell her, that she is not the mother of our son, -probably SFreed is.
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I literally laughed at this!

How did the workout go, was it any better? Man 15 scrambled eggs, I couldn't get that many eggs down at once even if I had the munchies!
 
MrKleen73 said:
I literally laughed at this!

How did the workout go, was it any better? Man 15 scrambled eggs, I couldn't get that many eggs down at once even if I had the munchies!
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Good workout 7/10, I would say.
Woke up today looking "fuller". The extra carbs from the intra workout shake, I guess.
Bad doms in my front delts from the declined DB front rises (decline bench for abs, then rising DB's ).
 
hairygrandpa said:
Good workout 7/10, I would say.
Woke up today looking "fuller". The extra carbs from the intra workout shake, I guess.
Bad doms in my front delts from the declined DB front rises (decline bench for abs, then rising DB's ).
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Nice, that sounds positive. Oh yeah those work well but I don't directly train my anterior delts due to all the work they get on all of my pressing work. Once my medial delts catch up that might be something I entertain though.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Nice, that sounds positive. Oh yeah those work well but I don't directly train my anterior delts due to all the work they get on all of my pressing work. Once my medial delts catch up that might be something I entertain though.
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Since my last shoulder injury, I'm a bit paranoid, avoiding most presses and going light on shoulder exercises (compensating with T.U.T). So far, it works.
You said: "avoid cardio". You have to know that I don't move during the day. I live right over my shop. No walking -nothing, besides 60-90 min gym at night. My weight kept the same -or got a bit up in the last 4 days, I really think I should do cardio at the end of each gym session.
 
Day 9

Off day.
Decided to have a meal:
2 Chicken tender, some broccoli and a 1 potato.
 
Day 10

Preparing for Armageddon.

Preworkout:
-2ml derma trest
-5mg cialis
-1 scoop Radiate
-10 minutes youtube motivational video, watching monsters pump iron
 
hairygrandpa said:
Since my last shoulder injury, I'm a bit paranoid, avoiding most presses and going light on shoulder exercises (compensating with T.U.T). So far, it works.
You said: "avoid cardio". You have to know that I don't move during the day. I live right over my shop. No walking -nothing, besides 60-90 min gym at night. My weight kept the same -or got a bit up in the last 4 days, I really think I should do cardio at the end of each gym session.
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Is there any way you can test your rotator cuff strength to determine how it is? With the past injury you definitely should learn it's limit.
 
Armageddon:

Chin ups (dead hung singles)
BW: 11/10 RP 5

BB straight bar curls TUT 3.1.1 65lbs SS Floor DB extensions 2x25lbs
curl: 10
ext: 28
curl: 10
ext 22
curl 10
ext 18
curl 8+2
ext 15
curl 7+2
ext 12
curl 7
ext 13

standing behind head EZ-bar triceps extensions tut 4.1.1
65lbs x12/8/10/9/8/7

Smith drag curls
two 25kg plates (about 110lbs in plates) x8/6
2x15kg x12/12/10/11/8/8/8

BW triceps extensions (hip height) smith bar ----> highly recommended exercise, not for puzzies
15/12/9/9/6/7/6

Finisher:
elevated push ups x35
 
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Overall, I'm satisfied. I can see changes in definition -still a long way to go.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 10 progression pics:

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Overall, I'm satisfied. I can see changes in definition -still a long way to go.
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Wow, I like to give you a hard time, but you're taking all the fun out of things for me. Those are the best shots of you I've ever seen....at least that didn't involve a tub and/or a shower cap. Waist is really tapering down and you are even getting some muscles showing in your back. I'm impressed...and a little sad I can't give you a hard time now....
 
After closer inspection, I'm pretty sure those muscles are just shaved in his back hair.
 
SFreed said:
After closer inspection, I'm pretty sure those muscles are just shaved in his back hair.
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Gonna shave that rug off, next pics in 10 days.
What really had me looking twice is that fat roll (wrinkle) on my neck, looking like a necklace, damn.
Well, diet isn't over yet.
 
CJNator said:
Is there any way you can test your rotator cuff strength to determine how it is? With the past injury you definitely should learn it's limit.
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I'm afraid of "testing", LOL. At the moment I have zero issues, to test, I have to do bench press, upping weights....well...My opinion always was, that bench press is totally overrated for building chest, no need to try it again.
 
SFreed said:
What's your dosing schedule?
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Well, now its 1mg/day. Building up, because here, summer is coming. After the summer, I'll maintain with 1mg every 3 days.

The secondary effects are what keep me hooked. Anorexia and perma-boner. For me, it does not diminish, even after 6+ month of use.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I'm afraid of "testing", LOL. At the moment I have zero issues, to test, I have to do bench press, upping weights....well...My opinion always was, that bench press is totally overrated for building chest, no need to try it again.
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You're right it really is, best for chest imo would be weight dips. I can't do dip anymore :( my chest feels like it'll break, I went up to 90lbs and that was too much for my chest plate.
 
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