The New Product Release Thread

[janson_kaniaz]

If you can't justify a 40-45$ pwo then that's fine. I have spent nearly 60 on the new c4 that only like 15-20 servings. I just wanted to try it. But let me math ya a little bit. After a code and shipping its roughly $45 for a 30 serving pwo that is pretty much a solid one scooper. At that price point you are looking at $1.50 per serving. IMO that's not bad. It's cheaper than Red Bull, monster, and many other products that you drink. But say one scoop is just a little to strong for you and you found your sweet spot at around 3/4 a scoop. That puts you at 40 servings a container and takes the price down to $1.10 a serving. That's pretty good in itself. If you think it's expensive thats fine. If you don't want to try it that's fine too. Just putting it out there.

You're talking about Bloodshot I suppose? Rupture seems like a more rounded pre to me but that too is expensive (that's definitely a one scooper pre) since I'm currently taking Dust Ex at one scoop.

Few other questions if you don't mind:

1. Expiry date (plenty of pre to spare, need to plan my purchase)

2. What type of courier for international shipping?

 

[justhere4comm]

10-40mg 3x per day comes out to 30-120mg; I have never seen near 120mg recommended. I've seen recommendations for 30mg/day, sometimes speedster into 3 doses of 10mg, or 40mg separated into a few doses, but never close to 40mg x3. Perhaps it's just a strange wording that isn't coming across right to me

Also, any info on the rhodiola standardization?

Yes sir, no problem. I was combining a variety of sources in my 10-40mg. To clarify further, there are studies using 10-20mg, 10-30mg, and up to 40mg. You can see they are all over the place and so, 10-40mg was the simplified version. Is it possible there would be some whom do not respond as well to a higher dose or any dose of noopept? Certainly. Let's get past the 120 number, because nobody is going to dose 2 scoops, or 3 half scoops = 90mg. At most one will dose 60mg, and a study with the more potent Russian form of Noopepet had no real difference in effect, even a diminished effect.

In one pharmacokinetic study conducted in rats, a 50 mg/kg dose of Noopept administered in a water solution resulted in peak Noopept serum concentrations after 10 minutes, with a half-life of about 7 minutes. After 25 minutes, no Noopept was detected in plasma or brain9.

The official package insert for Noopept (translated from Russian to English) states that the half-life of Noopept in humans is 0.38 hours or 22.8 minutes. The Noopept half life in humans differs from the kinetics in rats due to interspecies differences in absorption, clearance and metabolism.

However, the nootropic effects of Noopept are probably not directly related to the half-life due to the fact that Noopept has a biologically active metabolite that is structurally similar to cyclopropyl glycine, which itself has nootropic properties. Anecdotally, Noopept users have reported that the duration of subjective benefit for Noopept is around 60-90 minutes.

Increased

• Global cognitive function
• Neurotrophins (Brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) and nerve growth factor (NGF) expression)
• Anxiolysis (decreased anxiety)
• Memory consolidation
• Retrieval
• Learning and memory

Decreased

• Cytokines (inflammatory molecules)
• Activation of inhibitory interneurons (hippocampus)
• Hyperglycemia, ↓ BMI, ↓ pain sensitivity
• Oxidative stress
• Glutamate toxicity
• Anoxic injury
• Antiamnesia

You will find a great man anecdotal responses to Noopept, so take the positive and negatives with a grain of salt.
I think starting at half-scoop or less will determine one's starting point moving forward, and if that is all one needs to gain the best effect from the supplement, stick with that. Others may wish to move up the dose, then back down.

Not to beat the Prop / Non-Prop Drum --
Maybe we should do what most other companies do, create a prop blend and let you guess the ingredient doses are? No. We prefer to dose everthing solid making the most potent supplements for hardcore bodybuilders, and let them decide how to dose for themselves. It's the best way to create trust and value, and we want you to know exactly what you are taking and how much. Prop blends are just not the way we want to go.

The bottom line on this is, we care about our customers, and questions such as have been presented would not really have been possible without our being open label, and we appreciate it. It helps us give clarification, and build the trust that is so important and needed in this industry.

In the scheme of everything bodybuilders are putting into their bodies (IM; TD; or Orally) this is certainly not the hinge pin of circumstance. As for the Rhodiola, I would love to delve deeper into each of the ingredients, so stay tuned.. Coming at you very soon.

 

[JAMES1980]

Too many cucks complaining about 60mg of Noopept lol...what do you think is going to happen, take it and run full speed into the rear window of a Mini-Van?

Vein has taken things up a notch, congrats. People asked for something hardcore, you listened, I bought.

I agree with shockrock. I am not interested in those studies. I train to be a bodybuilder and not to be a scientist or nutritionist. I will give Blood Shot a shot and tell u guys whether 60mg of noopept is killing me or not.

To be safe, i will start with half scoop, then progressing to 1 scoop. I dont give a **** for those studies. Everybody is different.

 

[VeinNutrition]

Really interested to try but can't justify I need a $40 pre with coupon. The market has what I need now costing much less than that.

I completely understand! You could also mix your own PWOs for a fraction of the cost, just a thought!

 

[VeinNutrition]

Too many cucks complaining about 60mg of Noopept lol...what do you think is going to happen, take it and run full speed into the rear window of a Mini-Van?

Vein has taken things up a notch, congrats. People asked for something hardcore, you listened, I bought.

Thank you very much ?

 

[VeinNutrition]

You're talking about Bloodshot I suppose? Rupture seems like a more rounded pre to me but that too is expensive (that's definitely a one scooper pre) since I'm currently taking Dust Ex at one scoop.

Few other questions if you don't mind:

1. Expiry date (plenty of pre to spare, need to plan my purchase)

2. What type of courier for international shipping?

Yes Rupture is more of a balanced pre while bloodshot focuses on stims.

1. About 2 years for most products, you can find the exp date on every bottle.

2. Right now we go USPS for it's speed.

 

[VeinNutrition]

I agree with shockrock. I am not interested in those studies. I train to be a bodybuilder and not to be a scientist or nutritionist. I will give Blood Shot a shot and tell u guys whether 60mg of noopept is killing me or not.

To be safe, i will start with half scoop, then progressing to 1 scoop. I dont give a **** for those studies. Everybody is different.

Very true. There can sometimes be a big disconnect between the theoretical and the actual and the only way to know how a profile works for you is to try it out yourself!

 

[Woody]

New flavor fit crunch

Is this in stores yet? Will make a stop before I hit legs in a few minutes. I don't know what a diet is anyway

 

[The Solution]

Is this in stores yet? Will make a stop before I hit legs in a few minutes. I don't know what a diet is anyway

Just Website
Hence (Only at Fitcrunch in the black lettering)

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Yes sir, no problem. I was combining a variety of sources in my 10-40mg. To clarify further, there are studies using 10-20mg, 10-30mg, and up to 40mg. You can see they are all over the place and so, 10-40mg was the simplified version. Is it possible there would be some whom do not respond as well to a higher dose or any dose of noopept? Certainly. Let's get past the 120 number, because nobody is going to dose 2 scoops, or 3 half scoops = 90mg. At most one will dose 60mg, and a study with the more potent Russian form of Noopepet had no real difference in effect, even a diminished effect.



Increased

• Global cognitive function
• Neurotrophins (Brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) and nerve growth factor (NGF) expression)
• Anxiolysis (decreased anxiety)
• Memory consolidation
• Retrieval
• Learning and memory

Decreased

• Cytokines (inflammatory molecules)
• Activation of inhibitory interneurons (hippocampus)
• Hyperglycemia, ↓ BMI, ↓ pain sensitivity
• Oxidative stress
• Glutamate toxicity
• Anoxic injury
• Antiamnesia

You will find a great man anecdotal responses to Noopept, so take the positive and negatives with a grain of salt.
I think starting at half-scoop or less will determine one's starting point moving forward, and if that is all one needs to gain the best effect from the supplement, stick with that. Others may wish to move up the dose, then back down.

Not to beat the Prop / Non-Prop Drum --
Maybe we should do what most other companies do, create a prop blend and let you guess the ingredient doses are? No. We prefer to dose everthing solid making the most potent supplements for hardcore bodybuilders, and let them decide how to dose for themselves. It's the best way to create trust and value, and we want you to know exactly what you are taking and how much. Prop blends are just not the way we want to go.

The bottom line on this is, we care about our customers, and questions such as have been presented would not really have been possible without our being open label, and we appreciate it. It helps us give clarification, and build the trust that is so important and needed in this industry.

In the scheme of everything bodybuilders are putting into their bodies (IM; TD; or Orally) this is certainly not the hinge pin of circumstance. As for the Rhodiola, I would love to delve deeper into each of the ingredients, so stay tuned.. Coming at you very soon.

Ok, so it seems like what you were trying to say was people often use 10-40mg split into up to 3 doses per day, not 10-40mg 3 times per day. Looking forward to hearing more about the rhodiola standardization.

 

[Woody]

Just Website
Hence (Only at Fitcrunch in the black lettering)

A simple no would have sufficed, bub.

 

[justhere4comm]

 

[Woody]

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BB > Maple but I'm apparently on an island.

 

[DEVANS89]

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I could eat glazed donut all day long. So so good

 

[muscleupcrohn]

BB > Maple but I'm apparently on an island.

They're both very good. I picked them both up, but they got a little bit melted in my car. I had the Maple Glazed Doughnut when it was a little warm, and I think it actually made it better, as the glaze was like an actual glaze on a slightly warm doughnut. Then I put the Blueberry Cobbler in the fridge last night to give it some shape back and had it this morning. It was a little bit harder than it normally would have been, but the flavor was very good. I don't think you can really go wrong with either flavor.

 

[ksa0812]

BB > Maple but I'm apparently on an island.

This is correct, not the only one on the island.

 

[JohnP.]

Yes sir, no problem. I was combining a variety of sources in my 10-40mg. To clarify further, there are studies using 10-20mg, 10-30mg, and up to 40mg. You can see they are all over the place and so, 10-40mg was the simplified version. Is it possible there would be some whom do not respond as well to a higher dose or any dose of noopept? Certainly. Let's get past the 120 number, because nobody is going to dose 2 scoops, or 3 half scoops = 90mg. At most one will dose 60mg, and a study with the more potent Russian form of Noopepet had no real difference in effect, even a diminished effect.



Increased

• Global cognitive function
• Neurotrophins (Brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) and nerve growth factor (NGF) expression)
• Anxiolysis (decreased anxiety)
• Memory consolidation
• Retrieval
• Learning and memory

Decreased

• Cytokines (inflammatory molecules)
• Activation of inhibitory interneurons (hippocampus)
• Hyperglycemia, ↓ BMI, ↓ pain sensitivity
• Oxidative stress
• Glutamate toxicity
• Anoxic injury
• Antiamnesia

What is the 1/2 life for noopept?

 

[Rocket3015]

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The Maple is Very Good I need to try the Blue Berry also.

 

[The Solution]

Performax Labs... You sneaky....

Epic april fools fail

some other fails

 

[booneman77]

Performax Labs... You sneaky....

Epic april fools fail

some other fails

Here's another good one from halo top haha

Clearly all dieters just want pizza... frankly, I would try a pizza flavored bar ha

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Performax Labs... You sneaky....

Before CatMax:

After CatMax:

and don't forget the science behind it:

 

[justhere4comm]

What is the 1/2 life for noopept?

Noopept Half Life
"In one pharmacokinetic study conducted in rats, a 50 mg/kg dose of Noopept administered in a water solution resulted in peak Noopept serum concentrations after 10 minutes, with a half-life of about 7 minutes. After 25 minutes, no Noopept was detected in plasma or brain9.

The official package insert for Noopept (translated from Russian to English) states that the half-life of Noopept in humans is 0.38 hours or 22.8 minutes. The Noopept half life in humans differs from the kinetics in rats due to interspecies differences in absorption, clearance and metabolism.

However, the nootropic effects of Noopept are probably not directly related to the half-life due to the fact that Noopept has a biologically active metabolite that is structurally similar to cyclopropyl glycine, which itself has nootropic properties. Anecdotally, Noopept users have reported that the duration of subjective benefit for Noopept is around 60-90 minutes."

I'm going to be putting up a Q&A page for BloodShot this weekend, so hold on to any further questions until then if you could. I don't want to capitalize on this thread which is about (other) new products as well.

I'll link in from here to there when it's up.

 

[blueline438]

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That blueberry cobbler bar. Yumm! I needs the precious!

 

[danielmoo]

I am actually really bummed that the Fit Crunch bar is fake.

 

[The Solution]

That blueberry cobbler bar. Yumm! I needs the precious!

I liked it, but it is not as good as Maple Glaze (IMO)

I had a slight artificial taste in the fruity part. The bottom layer (crust/cobbler) was pretty good. And of course ONE is good with their texture on their bars.

 

[blueline438]

I liked it, but it is not as good as Maple Glaze (IMO)

I had a slight artificial taste in the fruity part. The bottom layer (crust/cobbler) was pretty good. And of course ONE is good with their texture on their bars.

Maybe I need to change my response then. I want to try the one in the picture. Lol. It looks amazing!

 

[ryane87]

MD was pretty good, but a doughnut it did not remind me of....haha

 

[ryane87]

More like a waffle with maple syrup

 

[muscleupcrohn]

MD was pretty good, but a doughnut it did not remind me of....haha

Maybe it's because the glaze was a bit melted when I had it, but it definitely reminded me of a doughnut.

 

[The Solution]

Maybe I need to change my response then. I want to try the one in the picture. Lol. It looks amazing!

Cut bar in half, put wrapper in background = Profit?

 

[The Express 42]

The Maple Glaze and Blueberry cobbler have to be my favorite thus far as taste goes. Perfect for someone with a sweet tooth

 

[The Solution]

The Maple Glaze and Blueberry cobbler have to be my favorite thus far as taste goes. Perfect for someone with a sweet tooth

If you have a sweet tooth. Birthday Cake is where its at. one of the best on the market.
If you prefer a chocolate birthday cake its not as sweet and more chocolate. The regular is incredible though. One of their best flavors.

 

[MidwestBeast]

Maple Glazed Doughnut, Blueberry Cobbler and Salted Caramel are all wonderful. I had Cinnamon Roll for the first time, too, and liked all 4 of those over both regular and chocolate birthday cake (texture was way better, IMO)

 

[MidwestBeast]

Also, I need CatMax, so let's make that happen, boys! ? lol

 

[chedapalooza]

Brand new pre workout by Vein Nutrition. BLOODSHOT

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Ehhh I like my brain chemistry the way it is presently

 

[Nac]

Also, I need CatMax, so let's make that happen, boys! �� lol

Inb4 40mg catnip 3x per day discussion.

 

[blueline438]

Cut bar in half, put wrapper in background = Profit?

Lol. The bar looks good. But the bar on the wrapper looks better is what I meant. Lol. I know it's not a one bar now. At first from the promo pic I thought it was.

 

[rtmilburn]

Ehhh I like my brain chemistry the way it is presently

Haha ya I'm not a fan of product either but not a fan of my current brain chemistry lol. That's why I'm looking into legitimate nootropic products.

There will definitely be a market for the product. Also do respect what they are doing by providing edgey stuff like this. But ironically enough I'm not to big in to stims anymore and I used to be the epitome of a stim junky.(this changed like literally a month ago haha)

I do like all the people I've interacted with vein.

 

[justhere4comm]

Haha ya I'm not a fan of product either but not a fan of my current brain chemistry lol. That's way I'm looking into legitimate nootropic products.

There will definitely be a market for the product. Also do respect what they are doing by providing edgey stuff like this. But ironically enough I'm not to big in to stims anymore and I used to be the epitome of a stim junky.(this changed like literally a month ago haha)

I do like all the people I've interacted with vein.

Shucks. Thank you! We like you too.
:afro:

 

[blueline438]

Shucks. Thank you! We like you too.
:afro:

Get back in your room and get off your phone. No ice cream for you tonight.

 

[rtmilburn]

Get back in your room and get off your phone. No ice cream for you tonight.

Shut up Meg!

 

[BigGame84]

Really getting annoyed at companies playing April Fools jokes on products. It's dumb.

 

[MidwestBeast]

Really getting annoyed at companies playing April Fools jokes on products. It's dumb.

Eh, I disagree as long as it isn't believable. Like if PES tomorrow said "LOL PB Cookie was an April Fool's joke" people would be livid. CatMax, however is amusing.

I also got an email from Google about the "smart yard" companion: Google Gnome. Which is a Google Home with a little red pointy hat. I thought it was hilarious.

 

[justhere4comm]

Shut up Meg!

Boom! Runs back to room.

 

[The Solution]

Got this in
Giving it a crack tomorrow

 

[thebigt]

Got this in
Giving it a crack tomorrow

dang, I haven't had syntha-6 in years...used to use that stuff all the time.

 

[Darkhorse192]

Lobliner mentioned in a recent video MTS was pushing out a GDA next month but no other info was provided. Would be interested to at least see what formula they go with.

 

[Jiigzz]

Very true. There can sometimes be a big disconnect between the theoretical and the actual and the only way to know how a profile works for you is to try it out yourself!

In all honesty, this is terrible advice from a supplement company owner. Just because a product doesn't kill someone, doesn't make it safe. Nor does everyone know when ill effects occur which is why we utilise safety data and dose within ranges.

While I'm not saying your pre is dangerous; if you cannot guarantee its safety, why are you dosing outside those ranges?

That would be akin to me telling someone to take 20 paracetamol tabs because "the theoretical is just that; theoretical, try 20 tabs and let me know if you had issues"

To be clear: Not picking apart the product either, for some it'll be exactly what they want and it won't be inherently dangerous. just focusing on that specific comment, not the product lol. I hope that seems fair.

 

[Darkhorse192]

Got this in
Giving it a crack tomorrow

its a great flavor man

 

[VeinNutrition]

Haha ya I'm not a fan of product either but not a fan of my current brain chemistry lol. That's why I'm looking into legitimate nootropic products.

There will definitely be a market for the product. Also do respect what they are doing by providing edgey stuff like this. But ironically enough I'm not to big in to stims anymore and I used to be the epitome of a stim junky.(this changed like literally a month ago haha)

I do like all the people I've interacted with vein.

Thanks for your feedback!

There's a few reasons why we're not looking into a nootropic product:

1. It's a risky category, Powder City, a bulk powder supplier, had to make a completely new site with offshore credit card processing because a lot of card processors wouldn't work with them if they were selling certain nootropics. Offshore credit card processing is difficult and really hurts a business' cash flow.

2. The brain is an extremely finicky and complex organ. For example SSRIs are prescribed to treat depression but in some individuals it can cause even more depression and suicidal thoughts. So nootropics can difficult levels of effects on different individuals.

3. Right now we don't want to stretch ourselves too thin with products. By offering too many products we are afraid it would dilute our brand message and theme. We may create a nootropic product in the future but our brand's main focus right now is the hardcore gym goer (male and female).