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The New Product Release Thread

The Solution said:
Yeah i agree with you here. For someone like you and I who both train upon waking this is great.
Then intra-workout you can toss a scoop of xtend perform to meet 4g of Peak02 to get some more endurance and performance benefits.
I assume 1Fast400 set it up that way so you can stack both and get the scientific dose of Peak02 from 2 scoops Quake and 1 Scoop Perform

I am eager to see the last 4 ingredients
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For sure. I'm mostly curious are the 4 ingredients gonna be the same in the stim and non-stim version (meaning most likely that the stim version will have 4+ stims)...

Honestly this is the first pre i've been even slightly intrigued by in a very long time (outside of a few that interested me only for their stim blend). REally impressed as 1Fast400 has backed up all of his claims of coming out with something special. Love it.
 
The only difference between the stim and non stim is caffeine. I would answer questions on the other board about this, but I've been banned for legal reasons, whatever that means lol
 
1Fast400 said:
The only difference between the stim and non stim is caffeine. I would answer questions on the other board about this, but I've been banned for legal reasons, whatever that means lol
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theres your new brand line: "products so good, they're illegal to even mention"
 
Very interesting that Quake has Capros (Indian Gooseberry). I saw that Granite's intra-workout also has Indian Gooseberry in it, so it must do something lol.
 
1Fast400 said:
The only difference between the stim and non stim is caffeine. I would answer questions on the other board about this, but I've been banned for legal reasons, whatever that means lol
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Pretty sure it means you spoke too much truth
 
pbandy1 said:
Very interesting that Quake has Capros (Indian Gooseberry). I saw that Granite's intra-workout also has Indian Gooseberry in it, so it must do something lol.
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In general I would avoid it because of its antioxidant potency, (see below) as a pre-workout ingredient

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The reason for capros specifically I can only imagine was for the benefits on blood vessels... (Below) There must be a more ergogenic reason claimed I would think but I'm not finding it

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Driven2lift said:
This will be seen and stolen by some underground AAS dealer reading this as a slogan
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That was my first thought too ha. "So good they're illegal" - should be hi-tech's slogan with their names haha
 
Our new go at 1-dhea
added fadogia which combat some sides
also have Cyclosome™ technology which increases bioavailability
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booneman77 said:
For sure. I'm mostly curious are the 4 ingredients gonna be the same in the stim and non-stim version (meaning most likely that the stim version will have 4+ stims)...

Honestly this is the first pre i've been even slightly intrigued by in a very long time (outside of a few that interested me only for their stim blend). REally impressed as 1Fast400 has backed up all of his claims of coming out with something special. Love it.
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We will be having some logging opportunities.
If you do not have any pending logs and you are free you should consider tossing your name in for consideration/logging.
We appreciate and value 100% honesty, that is what you bring to the table.

Thank you everyone and their kind words on the formula. Mike has been working on this for quite some time, he would not let the AM family down. 1Fast400 can't wait to see the full write up!
 
The Solution said:
Scivation Quake 10.0 is back and better then ever!
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7g of BCAAs,
6g of l-citrulline,
3g of tyrosine,
2g of the PeakO2
1.5g of NO3-T arginine nitrate,
1g of Capros.

+ 4 more ingredients

More to come! :)
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Yea!
I was hoping for nitrates !
This will definitely be my next PWO!
 
1Fast400 said:
The only difference between the stim and non stim is caffeine. I would answer questions on the other board about this, but I've been banned for legal reasons, whatever that means lol
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Were going to have to boycott that decision over there lol
 
The Solution said:
We will be having some logging opportunities.
If you do not have any pending logs and you are free you should consider tossing your name in for consideration/logging.
We appreciate and value 100% honesty, that is what you bring to the table.

Thank you everyone and their kind words on the formula. Mike has been working on this for quite some time, he would not let the AM family down. 1Fast400 can't wait to see the full write up!
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When it's ready, my name will be in that hat for sure!
 
Will Lemon Drop and Watermelon Bubblegum be the only 2 flavors available or will there be more?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I think he said caffeine was the only difference between the stim and stim-free versions, and it'd be a bit strange to have theanine without caffeine/stims in a pre-workout IMO.
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Has ability to lower stress and improve attention by itself.
 
Only 2 flavors to start. Only lemon in Stim Free. Anti-ox research is all over the place. There is positive data showing significant impact on DOMS, data showing reduced muscle tissue breakdown and so on. There is data that has gone the other way. We ran tests with and without, this product has existed in some variation for 9 months. The sensory impacts that are needed for a successful pre workout, it provides. I'm trying not to give the experience of the product away so early. Anyone buying the bulk powder will see this.

A lot of the data on anti ox and exercise, weren't taken during training. With that in mind, do you avoid them all together? I just don't like that personally, at this stage in my life. I'm old lol. I appreciate the feedback all around.
 
kbayne said:
Has ability to lower stress and improve attention by itself.
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I just don't really like it without caffeine in this context. Some people find it calming/relaxing, which is in contrast with many people's desire to feel "stimmed-out/wired/etc" from a PWO. I'm not a fan of these PWOs/Noots with 400mg theanine either, just my preference.
 
1Fast400 said:
Only 2 flavors to start. Only lemon in Stim Free. Anti-ox research is all over the place. There is positive data showing significant impact on DOMS, data showing reduced muscle tissue breakdown and so on. There is data that has gone the other way. We ran tests with and without, this product has existed in some variation for 9 months. The sensory impacts that are needed for a successful pre workout, it provides. I'm trying not to give the experience of the product away so early. Anyone buying the bulk powder will see this.

A lot of the data on anti ox and exercise, weren't taken during training. With that in mind, do you avoid them all together? I just don't like that personally, at this stage in my life. I'm old lol. I appreciate the feedback all around.
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Regarding antioxidants, I agree it's complicated. Hell, blueberry consumption has been shown to "induce cellular adaptive events that serve to accelerate muscle repair and recovery of muscle isometric strength."
 
Theanine is a weird one. You have people who want to bounce off the walls with stims, but then there is the rest of the population. The best selling pre workout, which monumentally dwarfs #2, is not a high stim pre. Trying to work that balance was incredibly difficult. I went back and forth on dosing quite a bit of various ingredients. I'm happy with where I landed as I feel you can take this product and STILL go to sleep at night. You might not get the insane hard hit, but you also won't get the killer crash afterwords. I left out Teacrine as we have it in prima force for those that like to stack it. It was expensive and I wanted to use it at 100mg. Flavoring 100mg is like taking a dump in a can and flavoring. This is a LOT of active. Unlike a lot of people, we actually follow Prop 65 laws lol. That's why we took nitrosigene out. At 1500mg, that stuff alone approaches half of the legal limit.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Regarding antioxidants, I agree it's complicated. Hell, blueberry consumption has been shown to "induce cellular adaptive events that serve to accelerate muscle repair and recovery of muscle isometric strength."
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I get why someone might not love it being in there, no argument from me on that. Not going to lie, I was back and forth on it. Trying to balance out a product is tough. Especially with some of the other ingredients. I think the user experience will be high on this one. I don't use pre's that often, but there is a considerable performance difference when I do use this. I haven't had hardly any non stim around to use. We had our athletes doing competitions using it. I personally prefer the non stim version. With my travel schedule, I put a huge value on sleep and don't like anything messing with it.
 
Teacrine, one needs a dose of 100-200mg for any effect (up to 300mg) and I couldn't imagine trying to mask that.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I made the mistake of having 200mg in about 1-2oz of water; it was so bad, and the taste didn't go away for several minutes.
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Know them feels. Bulk powder is cheaper but not worth it IMO over caps.
 
1Fast400 said:
Theanine is a weird one. You have people who want to bounce off the walls with stims, but then there is the rest of the population. The best selling pre workout, which monumentally dwarfs #2, is not a high stim pre. Trying to work that balance was incredibly difficult. I went back and forth on dosing quite a bit of various ingredients. I'm happy with where I landed as I feel you can take this product and STILL go to sleep at night. You might not get the insane hard hit, but you also won't get the killer crash afterwords. I left out Teacrine as we have it in prima force for those that like to stack it. It was expensive and I wanted to use it at 100mg. Flavoring 100mg is like taking a dump in a can and flavoring. This is a LOT of active. Unlike a lot of people, we actually follow Prop 65 laws lol. That's why we took nitrosigene out. At 1500mg, that stuff alone approaches half of the legal limit.
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Theacrine does taste very bad, so I can definitely see why you wouldn't want it in a powdered supplement. I know that not everyone wants to feel cracked out or bounce off the walls, and I really enjoy theanine with caffeine, I just couldn't see myself taking it pre-workout without some caffeine and/or other stims. Everyone is different though I suppose. Interesting and promising profile for sore though. Is theanine in it?
 
I could add this to the second (4) weeks of my log !!! (Hint Hint)
 
This is correct.
That is the only Difference between both The Stim & Non-Stim

muscleupcrohn said:
I think he said caffeine was the only difference between the stim and stim-free versions, and it'd be a bit strange to have theanine without caffeine/stims in a pre-workout IMO.
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A good thing you can add to the pre that we offer in bulk from Primaforce

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Appreciate all the discourse in here, 1Fast400

Excited to see some user feedback on the forums once it's available.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Appreciate all the discourse in here, 1Fast400

Excited to see some user feedback on the forums once it's available.
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Ill bump this to aware you :)

The Solution said:
We will be having some logging opportunities.
If you do not have any pending logs and you are free you should consider tossing your name in for consideration/logging.
We appreciate and value 100% honesty, that is what you bring to the table.

Thank you everyone and their kind words on the formula. Mike has been working on this for quite some time, he would not let the AM family down. 1Fast400 can't wait to see the full write up!
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The Solution said:
We will be having some logging opportunities.
If you do not have any pending logs and you are free you should consider tossing your name in for consideration/logging.
We appreciate and value 100% honesty, that is what you bring to the table.

Thank you everyone and their kind words on the formula. Mike has been working on this for quite some time, he would not let the AM family down. 1Fast400 can't wait to see the full write up!
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Mmmmmm
 
pulsefit said:
I'd run a log on it with my perform and primaforce teacrine.
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When logs are ran, we like you to just run the product so we can get 100% feedback on that product and that product alone.
people who stack X Y and Z with a product they are logging skews feedback for the company.

people who run a pre-workout and a fat burner both of which are stimmed, how can you be 100% Accurate what is giving how much energy?
If you run a BCAA/Endurance product and a pre-workout, how can you know which one is giving you the performance, endurance, or recovery benefits if the pre-workout contains some overlapping things that can cause that feedback to happen?

Companies want feedback on that product and that product only and seeing how the consumer responds. that way if something is off the company can go back to the drawing board and try and improve.
 
The Solution said:
When logs are ran, we like you to just run the product so we can get 100% feedback on that product and that product alone.
people who stack X Y and Z with a product they are logging skews feedback for the company.

people who run a pre-workout and a fat burner both of which are stimmed, how can you be 100% Accurate what is giving how much energy?
If you run a BCAA/Endurance product and a pre-workout, how can you know which one is giving you the performance, endurance, or recovery benefits if the pre-workout contains some overlapping things that can cause that feedback to happen?

Companies want feedback on that product and that product only and seeing how the consumer responds. that way if something is off the company can go back to the drawing board and try and improve.
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With that pre wouldn't you want to stack it with perform giving you 14 grams bcaas and 4 grams peak02?
 
1Fast400 said:
Only 2 flavors to start. Only lemon in Stim Free. Anti-ox research is all over the place. There is positive data showing significant impact on DOMS, data showing reduced muscle tissue breakdown and so on. There is data that has gone the other way. We ran tests with and without, this product has existed in some variation for 9 months. The sensory impacts that are needed for a successful pre workout, it provides. I'm trying not to give the experience of the product away so early. Anyone buying the bulk powder will see this.

A lot of the data on anti ox and exercise, weren't taken during training. With that in mind, do you avoid them all together? I just don't like that personally, at this stage in my life. I'm old lol. I appreciate the feedback all around.
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1 and 1/2 scoop of Quake ... aahh cant wait !!
 
pulsefit said:
With that pre wouldn't you want to stack it with perform giving you 14 grams bcaas and 4 grams peak02?
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Like I said yes you can stack tons of things for example perform , teacrine, glutamine, beta alanine, waxy maize etc to the ore workout to accommodate a pre of your desire

But for logs its best to run them solo to gauge the product itself and alone and get nothing but feedback on that product.

Throw in other variables and feedback is skewed

While the pre workout is flexible with the rest of our line as a company we want to see how you and others react to the pre itself and not the pre combined with multiple other items . When you add in so many variables it's hard to dictate how much the pre is truly pulling when it comes to
Honest feedback.
 
The Solution said:
Like I said yes you can stack tons of things for example perform , teacrine, glutamine, beta alanine, waxy maize etc to the ore workout to accommodate a pre of your desire

But for logs its best to run them solo to gauge the product itself and alone and get nothing but feedback on that product.

Throw in other variables and feedback is skewed

While the pre workout is flexible with the rest of our line as a company we want to see how you and others react to the pre itself and not the pre combined with multiple other items . When you add in so many variables it's hard to dictate how much the pre is truly pulling when it comes to
Honest feedback.
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This product looks really good. Whoever gets to log this will be lucky
 
The Solution said:
Scivation Quake 10.0 is back and better then ever!
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7g of BCAAs,
6g of l-citrulline,
3g of tyrosine,
2g of the PeakO2
1.5g of NO3-T arginine nitrate,
1g of Capros.

+ 4 more ingredients

More to come! :)
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Looks like the perfect PWO when ON cycle!
 
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