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FOLLIDRONE 2.0 FAQ Updated follidrone writeup and info***

JaredH said:
I'm on day 5 of my first bottle of follidrone. Workouts already seem to be getting better. My question is I wake up early and work out before work. I take 2 capsules before my workout, what would the ideal time be to take my 3rd capsule? Thanks in advance.
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6-8 hours later would be fine or just before your evening meal
 
JaredH said:
I'm on day 5 of my first bottle of follidrone. Workouts already seem to be getting better. My question is I wake up early and work out before work. I take 2 capsules before my workout, what would the ideal time be to take my 3rd capsule? Thanks in advance.
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at least 6 hours later. Afternoon.
 
been using follidrone for 2 weeks. have 2 major roadblocks that I hope someone can share some guidance on..

1) my workouts are not as intense as before taking follidrone. very lethargic during workouts. I tried dosing FD2 with oatmeal an hour before workouts, included intraworkout carbs.. still nothing. even with a preworkout (conquer unleashed) the lethargy remains.

2) since taking FD2 am very much constipated, my guess is the absorption enhancers as I had similar effects from bioperine. how does one avoid the constipation.
 
muree said:
been using follidrone for 2 weeks. have 2 major roadblocks that I hope someone can share some guidance on..

1) my workouts are not as intense as before taking follidrone. very lethargic during workouts. I tried dosing FD2 with oatmeal an hour before workouts, included intraworkout carbs.. still nothing. even with a preworkout (conquer unleashed) the lethargy remains.

2) since taking FD2 am very much constipated, my guess is the absorption enhancers as I had similar effects from bioperine. how does one avoid the constipation.
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I'm 100% sure it's not the FD. You tried dosing with carbs as I was going to suggest and it didn't work. You even taking a pre-workout and still feeling lethargic.

You might want to stay away from stims, check your training, you might be over training and need rest.

The constipation is also something we've never heard or came across from anyone. Again check your diet. Might need more fiber.
 
muree said:
been using follidrone for 2 weeks. have 2 major roadblocks that I hope someone can share some guidance on..

1) my workouts are not as intense as before taking follidrone. very lethargic during workouts. I tried dosing FD2 with oatmeal an hour before workouts, included intraworkout carbs.. still nothing. even with a preworkout (conquer unleashed) the lethargy remains.

2) since taking FD2 am very much constipated, my guess is the absorption enhancers as I had similar effects from bioperine. how does one avoid the constipation.
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1. Lethargy can be caused by hypoglycemia but this is remedied by carbohydrates. If your getting in enough carbs and your taking in intraworkout carbs its probably not caused by the Follidrone. Are you on a low carb or low cal diet currently?

2. The only issues we have heard of regarding GI and Follidrone are loose stool not constipation. We wouldnt expect constipation from the absorption package. Again my guess would be this is a diet related thing.

Can you tell us a bit about your current daily diet, water intake, and % of carbs in total daily diet?
 
muree said:
been using follidrone for 2 weeks. have 2 major roadblocks that I hope someone can share some guidance on..

1) my workouts are not as intense as before taking follidrone. very lethargic during workouts. I tried dosing FD2 with oatmeal an hour before workouts, included intraworkout carbs.. still nothing. even with a preworkout (conquer unleashed) the lethargy remains.

2) since taking FD2 am very much constipated, my guess is the absorption enhancers as I had similar effects from bioperine. how does one avoid the constipation.
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That is strange. cup of oatmeal worked for me. and my bowels were looser than normal the whole time on it.
 
brundel said:
1. Lethargy can be caused by hypoglycemia but this is remedied by carbohydrates. If your getting in enough carbs and your taking in intraworkout carbs its probably not caused by the Follidrone. Are you on a low carb or low cal diet currently?

2. The only issues we have heard of regarding GI and Follidrone are loose stool not constipation. We wouldnt expect constipation from the absorption package. Again my guess would be this is a diet related thing.

Can you tell us a bit about your current daily diet, water intake, and % of carbs in total daily diet?
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Am not on a low carb diet.. my diet is quite carb heavy. water intake is about a gallon a day and macro split is something like 150g protein, 220g carbs and 40g fats. I stopped FD2 for 3 days now and yesterday the lethargy was completely gone. Am gonnu try dosing FD2 about 4-5 hrs after workouts?

loose stools were there only on the first day of dosing FD2 and after that was mostly constipated and reduction in appetite. should I try adding in some psyllium husk (or) any suggestions on fiber?
 
muree said:
Am not on a low carb diet.. my diet is quite carb heavy. water intake is about a gallon a day and macro split is something like 150g protein, 220g carbs and 40g fats. I stopped FD2 for 3 days now and yesterday the lethargy was completely gone. Am gonnu try dosing FD2 about 4-5 hrs after workouts?

loose stools were there only on the first day of dosing FD2 and after that was mostly constipated and reduction in appetite. should I try adding in some psyllium husk (or) any suggestions on fiber?
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Yah Try not dosing the FD2 around training. Some others have mentioned hypo feeling but carbs generally remedy this. For most once this is addressed FD2 increases endurance and performance. Certainly does for me. Try different dosing and see how it goes.

Im not sure about the fiber part. Maybe someone else has a good fiber recommendation.
 
muree said:
Am not on a low carb diet.. my diet is quite carb heavy. water intake is about a gallon a day and macro split is something like 150g protein, 220g carbs and 40g fats. I stopped FD2 for 3 days now and yesterday the lethargy was completely gone. Am gonnu try dosing FD2 about 4-5 hrs after workouts?

loose stools were there only on the first day of dosing FD2 and after that was mostly constipated and reduction in appetite. should I try adding in some psyllium husk (or) any suggestions on fiber?
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psyllium husk is cheap and dont think you can over dose it. I take 3 before every meal but I'm old.
Might play around with how much to take. worse thing that can happen is some gas and the runs.
 
Studhorse said:
psyllium husk is cheap and dont think you can over dose it. I take 3 before every meal but I'm old.
Might play around with how much to take. worse thing that can happen is some gas and the runs.
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However I had to quit taking it on FD2
 
Just received my 2 new bottles yesterday from Nutriverse. You gotta love that nail polish aroma when u pop that seal ?
 
Just read on BLR newsletter thread that brundel is getting closer with his new anabolic, I know it's just gonna be awesome
 
brundel said:
Hmm. I wonder why. Might be you need a more sustained release carb source and fast burning carbs only help short term.
Interesting.
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I found this to be the case with me awhile back. A whole food source carb seemed to work much better than a powdered liquid carb source. White rice is a great match for FD2 carb source!
 
jt75 said:
Just read on BLR newsletter thread that brundel is getting closer with his new anabolic, I know it's just gonna be awesome
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This is true.
Our products tend to evolve right up till production so things will for 100% certainly change with regards to formulation.
We are running tests on about a half dozen extracts.
Some interesting pathways. Non androgen./ HPTA.
0 suppression. Maximum anabolism. No side effects so far.

Its interesting to note that alot of these ingredients have other beneficial properties.

Will likely be ready to send some samples to our reps soon for testing.
Shortly there after we will run a public trial. Just before launch. Similar to the Noot.
 
jt75 said:
Excellent! FD2 was the best supplement of 2016, hopefully this will be the best of 2017 ��
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Gotta keep pushing forward and making new products. Now multiple companies are trying to use atractylodes (LETRONE)
Wrong species and active chem but they are trying.
Next everyone will have an ecklonia product and a flos carth product.

I have BIG plans for 2017.

PRE
NEW ANABOLIC
INCINDERINE
NOOTROPIC

Possibly one more that is looking beautiful.

Also we have a whole new look coming.
New website
New branding
even some super sexy custom bottles.
 
Anyone here dosed upto 6 caps per day for over a few weeks, e.g. like 6 caps per day for 2 months straight to compare effects, e.g. did you find more strength and fat loss with higher dosing vs 3 which i have been using.
 
I used to use the standard 3 per day but this time I'm using 4 per day and getting slight headaches but nothing like migraines or anything, gonna up water intake and keep up with 4 a day for 6 weeks
 
brundel said:
Yah Try not dosing the FD2 around training. Some others have mentioned hypo feeling but carbs generally remedy this. For most once this is addressed FD2 increases endurance and performance. Certainly does for me. Try different dosing and see how it goes.

Im not sure about the fiber part. Maybe someone else has a good fiber recommendation.
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In regards to not taking FD2 close to a training session; this would seem to be beneficial for everyone as antioxidants can hinder the anabolic response when taken pre or intra-workout. Kind of like how ARA works via the opposite approach by increasing muscle growth due to increased inflammation. On the other side of the coin, I do get excellent acute effects when I take FD2 of any -(epi) 1 hr or so pre workout as my endurance, strength etc are vastly improved. Curious if this method ultimately hinders muscle growth though and should be avoided entirely pre-workout. Any thoughts on this Brundel?
 
brundel said:
Gotta keep pushing forward and making new products. Now multiple companies are trying to use atractylodes (LETRONE)
Wrong species and active chem but they are trying.
Next everyone will have an ecklonia product and a flos carth product.

I have BIG plans for 2017.

PRE
NEW ANABOLIC
INCINDERINE
NOOTROPIC

Possibly one more that is looking beautiful.

Also we have a whole new look coming.
New website
New branding
even some super sexy custom bottles.
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Ready for a guinea pig !!!

Contact me if you want !!!

Reliable and serious, I think this may be enough!
 
Ricky10 said:
In regards to not taking FD2 close to a training session; this would seem to be beneficial for everyone as antioxidants can hinder the anabolic response when taken pre or intra-workout. Kind of like how ARA works via the opposite approach by increasing muscle growth due to increased inflammation. On the other side of the coin, I do get excellent acute effects when I take FD2 of any -(epi) 1 hr or so pre workout as my endurance, strength etc are vastly improved. Curious if this method ultimately hinders muscle growth though and should be avoided entirely pre-workout. Any thoughts on this Brundel?
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There are conflicting views regarding exercise and antioxidants. One study indicated that resveratrol hindered muscle growth but resveratrol hinders muscle growth not because its an antioxidant but most likely because its antiandrogenic.
Also the reasoning is that antioxidants reduce ROS (reactive oxygen species) in skeletal muscle but this I would think happens at ultra high doses and is independent of exercise. Meaning its gonna happen regardless of when you take it and regardless if you train or dont train.

"CONCLUSIONS:
Vitamin E and α-lipoic acid supplementation suppresses skeletal muscle mitochondrial biogenesis, regardless of training status."
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Antioxidants also offer a host of benefits for athletes and the anabolic effects of epi and ecklonia and Q/N and Flos carth outweigh any potential negatives. This is supported by the vast influx of positive reports from users, most of who take FD2 pre workout.
You can of course try it both ways.
Try Pre workout for 2 weeks and then change to am/Pm or something for 2 weeks. See if there is any noticeable differences.

I seem to notice significant differences when I take mine about an hour before I train. Endurance is up, strength seems to be up, energy seems to be up, I can breathe easier. ACE inhibitors (ecklonia cava) increases exercise capacity. Quercetin/niacin increases VO2max and vasodilates. Flos carth reduces perceived pain and epicatechin has well documented acute exercise benefits.

My verdict is any negatives are vastly outweighed by positives.
 
Yes, the benefits of taking it pre-workout are quite profound...no doubt there! I think I will continue to utilize it that way. Thanks for all the antioxidant info!
 
Somebody came across this interesting research that was done on Ecklonia Cava and its apparent ability to potentially lower DHT; hence the improved hair reports. I know that you are not a fan of anything that has the potential to lower DHT. Any thoughts on this? Here is the link to what that member was referencing.

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Ricky10 said:
Somebody came across this interesting research that was done on Ecklonia Cava and its apparent ability to potentially lower DHT; hence the improved hair reports. I know that you are not a fan of anything that has the potential to lower DHT. Any thoughts on this? Here is the link to what that member was referencing.

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This is a study using a pitri dish and rodent prostate extract. Chopped up rat parts in a dish.
This doesnt at all imply oral administration of EC extract will lower DHT.

It does seem to help with hair though and nails. I dont think its DHT related. Seems to make my Girlfriends hair and nails grow faster and it cant be DHT related in her.

ECs hair growth benefits are likely related to other things entirely.

Ecklonia cava promotes hair growth.
Bak SS1, Ahn BN, Kim JA, Shin SH, Kim JC, Kim MK, Sung YK, Kim SK.
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Abstract
BACKGROUND:

Previous studies have reported the protective effects on skin elasticity of the edible marine seaweed Ecklonia cava, which acts through regulation of both antioxidative and anti-inflammatory responses.
AIM:

We evaluated the effect of E. cava and one of its components, dioxinodehydroeckol, on hair-shaft growth in cultured human hair follicles and on hair growth in mice.
METHODS:

The MTT (3-(4,5-dimethylthiazol-2-yl)-2,5-diphenyltetrazolium bromide) assay was used to check cell viability of human dermal papilla cells (DPCs) and outer root sheath (ORS) cells after treatment with E. cava and its metabolite, dioxinodehydroeckol. Hair-shaft growth was measured using the in vitro hair-follicle organ-culture system, in the presence or absence of E. cava and dioxinodehydroeckol. Anagen induction activity was examined by topical application of E. cava to the dorsal skin of C57BL/6 mice. Insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-1 expression was measured by reverse transcriptase PCR and ELISA.
RESULTS:

The proliferation activity was found to be highest for the ethyl acetate-soluble fraction of E. cava (EAFE) in DPCs and in ORS cells. Treatment with EAFE resulted in elongation of the hair shaft in cultured human hair follicles, and promoted transition of the hair cycle from the telogen to the anagen phase in the dorsal skin of C57BL/6 mice. In addition, EAFE induced an increase in IGF-1 expression in DPCs. Dioxinodehydroeckol, a component of E. cava, induced elongation of the hair shaft, an increase in proliferation of DPCs and ORS cells, and an increase in expression of IGF-1 in DPCs.
CONCLUSIONS:

These results suggest that E. cava containing dioxinodehydroeckol promotes hair growth through stimulation of DPCs and ORS cells.
 
mjdel05 said:
Sorry if this has been answered but what everyone's thoughts on using fd2 to accentuate a pH/aas cycle?
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Myostatin levels initially drop during a steroid/PH/DS cycle but as it progresses myostatin will slowly rise with levels around week 8 being high enough to cause growth to slow or stop.
Follidrone 2.0 has 3 strong follistatin increasing agents. Follistatin is a direct antagonist (reduces) myostatin.
So for sure FD2 is a good addition to any cycle of steroids or Prohormones.
It also has many benefits such as ACE inhibition which can help keep blood pressure in check and EC extract can help with cholesterol levels.
Just some other benefits.

Follidrone 2.0 on cycle?

Yes.
 
Follidrone is the most versatile supplement. Hands down.

Use during cycle, pct, and off cycle/year long. Bulk or cut. Best supplement. I love it and never to really up the dose. It stays effective even long term.
 
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