My Mk677 log 2016
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BennyMagoo79
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Some great info guys. Thanks.I would not go to 40mg of Nolva. I think it's a better idea to add Clomid to your PCT and do Clomid 50/50/25/25 + Nolva 20/20/10/10. Recovering your HTPA is a slow and steady process.
What I see in your bloodwork is very similar to what I experienced in my cycle: Messed up cholesterol (too bad they don't list HDL and LDL separately, but your high total cholesterol is probably the result of very low HDL and high LDL), stressed liver (ALT/AST) and heavily suppressed testosterone. Many people report these as the side effects of LGD.
Cholesterol should go back to normal on its own. Just eat a lot of avocadosGW also provides great cholesterol support if you ever decide to run it on or off an LGD cycle.
I did bloods mid-cycle so I caught the liver issues earlier. I used UDCA (ursodeoxycholic acid) at 250mg/day for 4 weeks that that took care of it. There's a variant of this supplement called TUDCA which may be easier to find, I've been told it works well too. You could also try NAC (N-acetyl cysteine) which is a great liver support supplement. Are you taking any other medications? Some meds can stress the liver too.
The most important aspect is to recover your sex hormones. Again, Clomid+Nolva worked great for me. And you may want to add a low dose of an aromatase inhibitor like exemestane (Aromasin) to prevent your estrogen to climb alongside your testosterone as it recovers. 10-12 mg/day of exem worked well for me.
Just be prepared for the crash... you'll feel pretty crappy for the next 1-2 weeks (lethargy, low energy, lack of focus, zero libido) while your T is still low. Things will start to improve on week 3 and beyond. My libido took its sweet time to come back!
One more observation -- I see that you did your bloods in the afternoon. For testosterone, it's better to get the blood drawn first thing in the morning since T is highest in the morning and drops as the day goes by.
I hope this helps!
justhere4comm
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In this man
4evafit
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I would not go to 40mg of Nolva. I think it's a better idea to add Clomid to your PCT and do Clomid 50/50/25/25 + Nolva 20/20/10/10. Recovering your HTPA is a slow and steady process.
What I see in your bloodwork is very similar to what I experienced in my cycle: Messed up cholesterol (too bad they don't list HDL and LDL separately, but your high total cholesterol is probably the result of very low HDL and high LDL), stressed liver (ALT/AST) and heavily suppressed testosterone. Many people report these as the side effects of LGD.
Cholesterol should go back to normal on its own. Just eat a lot of avocados
I did bloods mid-cycle so I caught the liver issues earlier. I used UDCA (ursodeoxycholic acid) at 250mg/day for 4 weeks that that took care of it. There's a variant of this supplement called TUDCA which may be easier to find, I've been told it works well too. You could also try NAC (N-acetyl cysteine) which is a great liver support supplement. Are you taking any other medications? Some meds can stress the liver too.
The most important aspect is to recover your sex hormones. Again, Clomid+Nolva worked great for me. And you may want to add a low dose of an aromatase inhibitor like exemestane (Aromasin) to prevent your estrogen to climb alongside your testosterone as it recovers. 10-12 mg/day of exem worked well for me.
Just be prepared for the crash... you'll feel pretty crappy for the next 1-2 weeks (lethargy, low energy, lack of focus, zero libido) while your T is still low. Things will start to improve on week 3 and beyond. My libido took its sweet time to come back!
One more observation -- I see that you did your bloods in the afternoon. For testosterone, it's better to get the blood drawn first thing in the morning since T is highest in the morning and drops as the day goes by.
I hope this helps!
Thank you so much for the help. I really do appreciate it. Yeh just read your post on your pct. looks like you did a fantastic job in recovering. Did you get any sides on pct besides libido and lethargy isssues? I'm worried about hair thinning from nolva. The reason I don't wanna go near clomid atm is because I heard it can make you girly. I'm going through a though time now emotionally and don't wanna add to it with clomid. Besides clomid and ai being stupid expensive here in Aus. I do have daa on hand would that help with test? I ended up ordering tudca by Olympus labs thanks for the recommendation.
As far as my cholesterol doc said my hdl is in normal range just my ldl is elevated.
I did not take any other meds at all on cycle. Just lgd and mk677.
With regards to test in the arvo in simply have no time at all to go in the am. Also doc said I should of been fasted it give more accurate results but wasn't essential.
4evafit
Member
Im too scared of clomid lol. I did buy tucda just now should arrive couple of days. I will take that on board. Thanks bro
hairygrandpa
Legend
Clomid may- or may not have the emotional sides -and personally I feel clomid works better over all.
Nolva would look for me like: 40/40/30/30/20/10.
I did a Torem PCT in the past looking like that: 120/120/100/100/80/60.
As you can see, dosage is fairly high, as the low dose approach is new to me.
As others said, libido may be low in the first weeks of PCT and gym strength declines, this affected me emotionally more than clomid.
PCT sucks azz.
hairygrandpa
Legend
Have you told the doc what you were doing?
4evafit
Member
Yeh it's does. I don't care about libido at the moment just want to recover test asap and not lose my gainz. I will see how I go first 2 weeks and if there is no progression might get some clomid to add in. Do you think daa will help in the mean time? I got it at home just sitting there.
4evafit
Member
Yeh told him. He was stupid. Had no idea what I was on about and wasn't interested. Asked him have you heard of nolvadex ? His like nah never. I was like really? They give it to women with breast cancer. His like nah no idea.
hairygrandpa
Legend
Sounds good! Would recommend exemestane after PCT for a week -or two.
Not convinced DAA does anything.
What I read about was, it gets test supposedly up when test is low, at daily 3g -but does nothing when test is in normal range (if I remember correctly). Would take it the first two weeks of PCT if you already have it.
mmorso
Well-known member
Honestly, yes. I still don't have any cause for some reason I hate the idea of spending $ on it... but, I've been persuaded by people with better judgement than I...
Running exem last 2 wks of SERMS and continuing for an additional 2 wks might make your test levels higher than pre-cycle... From what I've been told and have read, a HPTA reset protocol is
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Exem 0/0/12.5eod/12.5eod/12.5eod/12.5eod
Apparently this is the most efficient way to restart your HPTA and it covers all your bases; so really peace of mind is worth it...
hairygrandpa
Legend
Ah, one should start the AI sooner, good to know.
migseattle
New member
100% agree, this is exactly how I ran it (except that I increased my exem dose a bit since my estrogen really shot up after the 2nd week). It worked like a charm including the part about leaving my test levels higher than pre-cycle. 4evafit, it's highly unlikely that Clomid will give you any sides at this dose. Go for it and keep us posted
ericos_bob
Active member
Excellent advice given here only thing I'd add is maybe see a different doctor next visit. Plenty of Dodo's around. Good luck with it, you'll be right.
migseattle
New member
The problem with Anastrazole is that it's not a "suicidal" (or irreversible) AI like exemestane. Which means that it blocks estrogen temporarily, and can cause a marked rebound when you stop it. How about Arimistane, can you get it? It's also suicidal and you can run it at about 50mg/day.
Any chance you could order Exem from the US? Since you're not going to use it for another 2 weeks it may reach you in time. How are customs over there?
ericos_bob
Active member
I'm a fan of arimistane. Most PCT products sold here use arimistane. I started taking it in week 3 of pct but think a week earlier may have moved things along faster in terms of lowering E. I don't doubt prescription AI's have greater efficacy at lowering E in a given time frame if you can get a hold of one.
4evafit
Member
Oh ok. It will be too hard to get a hold of it. Forget getting from overseas. Customs are kunts here. I might have to just go with anastrazole
4evafit
Member
12 week lgd/mk677 results
Well guys here it is. It's been a long ride and I thank everyone that followed and helped me through this fun little experience. I had my ups and downs but at the end I'm very happy with the results I experienced. My weight went from 184lbs (83kgs) to 213lbs (97kgs) my body fat % went from 16.2% to 15.8%.
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Well guys here it is. It's been a long ride and I thank everyone that followed and helped me through this fun little experience. I had my ups and downs but at the end I'm very happy with the results I experienced. My weight went from 184lbs (83kgs) to 213lbs (97kgs) my body fat % went from 16.2% to 15.8%.
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BennyMagoo79
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Thanks for logging it bro.
4evafit
Member
No worries my man. I hope it helped everybody out. It's not over yet gonna keep logging through pct and will post pics after pct see how much I hold onto
mmorso
Well-known member
No worries my man. I hope it helped everybody out. It's not over yet gonna keep logging through pct and will post pics after pct see how much I hold onto
Unbelievable results brother you should be proud... gear helps but you really had to have your diet and training dialed in to get a 29lbs LBM gain and loss of BF%...
I'm glad you are keeping the log up during PCT.. insofar as exemestane is concerned, there is a UGL I know of that offers "stealth mode" delivery to AUS.. I believe they will resend or refund if there is a seizure. I will pm you the source if you're interested. Let me know
4evafit
Member
Thank you man. Yeh pm I'll take a look.
ericos_bob
Active member
I get my ancillaries international too. Local sources are a rip off. Some asking as much as $100 for 30x20mg Nolva. I've never had a shipment seized. Maybe just lucky. I've even had my package opened, inspected and still received goods. I've heard they're not so kind on bulk orders so just get what you need.
Hats off again on your latest photo's. Bloody astonishing transformation!
Hats off again on your latest photo's. Bloody astonishing transformation!
migseattle
New member
Nice! High end packaging
4evafit
Member
Day 7 pct : 1 week on pct second day on clomid. This is what I have noticed.
Pumps in the gym are barely there. I seem to be able to do longer workouts with no fatigue. My weight is gone down 2lbs, and my appetite has disappeared. I have to remind myself to eat. I have ordered aromasin from overseas thanks to ericos_bob and mmorso for the hook up. That should arrive within 2 weeks hopefully. Leg day today will report back soon.
Pumps in the gym are barely there. I seem to be able to do longer workouts with no fatigue. My weight is gone down 2lbs, and my appetite has disappeared. I have to remind myself to eat. I have ordered aromasin from overseas thanks to ericos_bob and mmorso for the hook up. That should arrive within 2 weeks hopefully. Leg day today will report back soon.
4evafit
Member
Hey bro. Bp is in normal range. Damn bro. Nah not feeling like that at all. I actually feel better then when I was on cycle in terms of energy.
4evafit
Member
To get optimum recovery
tyga tyga
Legend
You need estrogen to recover as well. Eliminating or lowering it too much in "PCT" won't recover you quicker.
Remember, homeostasis is what you're after.
I wouldn't use the aromasin unless you start to rebound and begin to sensitive nipples.
4evafit
Member
I wont be using it till the last week or so of pct. or like you said it's good to have it on hand I case shet hits the fan
mmorso
Well-known member
Homeostasis is the goal, which is why one should control the up-regulation of estrogen from taking a SERM by dosing an AI... at least that's how it's been explained to me.
ericos_bob
Active member
Yep, I agree it's good to have on hand. Ofcourse bloods should be taken to see where your levels are at as you finish up PCT. If levels are in check no worries, even if they're on the high side they'll come back to homeostasis, eventually. Some just don't want to wait for their estro to come down gradually particularly if their libido is down as a result. Due to the 6 day half life of Clomid and Nolva I wouldn't expect to see symptoms of high estro rebound for atleast a week and likely 2 weeks post PCT.
BennyMagoo79
Well-known member
Hey bro maybe you should think about running a bottle or two of Dermastrength Unleashed to get you through PCT. Ive tried it before, pumps were pretty amazing.
4evafit
Member
Is that the same as dermacrine ? I have almost a full bottle just sitting here. Won't that defeat the purpose of trying to recover my natural test?
mmorso
Well-known member
No dermastrength is laxogenin... natty anabolic. I'm actually running it in PCT but think it's bullsh1t. I'll never waste money on laxo again lol
4evafit
Member
Lol. Can't be stuffed. Im feeling alright so far
BennyMagoo79
Well-known member
When I ran it i felt it had more of an energistic effect than anabolic, that is, it increased my work capacity and enthusiasm. Also, its not suppressive so good for go during PCT.
BennyMagoo79
Well-known member
Which exercise(s) causes this?