Jiigzz
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Clarifying my stance as you seemingly made my comment out to be an attack where it wasn't.
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Clarifying my stance as you seemingly made my comment out to be an attack where it wasn't.
hiimnotcool
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Will there be any point in buying the new product if you're already using Ergonine daily?
Driven2lift
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Driven2lift
Legend
No real negative to using additional TMG
And glutamine has been dosed much higher in other supplement suggestions
My thought is no worries
muscleupcrohn
Legend
Not only regular glutamine, but alanylglutamine (essentially what SynerGlut is) has been dosed much higher than the 2.5g found in E9. One of the studies (taken during basketball) had a 3g group and a 6g group, and I've seen a study use as high as 24 g/day alanylglutamine.
In fact, I've been taking 2.5g pre-workout (E9), and another 3g using bulk powders intra-workout for a while now and liking it.
Big Papi
Active member
not going to lie, i'm pretty disappointed about this- especially considering the rationale behind its removal.
although i haven't read much of the literature on verbacoside, the "pumps" i have experienced when i have dosed aiv intra-wo are far greater than what i experience with sizeon pc (still have 3 tubs left). i understand this is just my own personal anecdote, but i'm still sad to see it go. i do think alanine intra-wo is a good idea, at least in theory, so i'm cool with that. tmg, whatever i'm already using e9. either way, still the best eaa product on the market. i look forward to comparing the new version to its predecessor.
DarthGainer
Member
Was hoping for a non prop, Really wanted To know how much Leucine and Hica was in the product. I have no interest in SynerGlut and losing the verbacoside is a bad move IMO. What makes this product different now? I can get the HIca else where and Could make my own EAA/BCCA mix for next to nothing.
Becoming just another company for the mass crowd, Used to be about the novel ingredients and stand out (useful products). Just losing faith in this company more and more each week.
Won't say anymore on this and remember guys THIS IS MY OPINION.
Becoming just another company for the mass crowd, Used to be about the novel ingredients and stand out (useful products). Just losing faith in this company more and more each week.
Won't say anymore on this and remember guys THIS IS MY OPINION.
DarthGainer
Member
I agree regarding verbacoside. I Get more pump from it than with High volume, I'm only assuming its the verbacoside? This is why I'm keen to see a stand alone.
Nyrin
Member
I'm sure we represent the minority in caring about the minutia of the formulation compared to flavor and color; it's somewhat of an inevitability that as PEScience moves into more mass marketability, we as "enthusiasts" will need to make some compromises. Amino IV is still a fantastic product and among the best in its category; even if I feel a little let down here, I can't be too upset.
Plus, perhaps now we'll find some excellent clearance deals on that "old, nasty-tasting, piss-colored stuff" while room is made for the new shininess
In any event, I'm not going to be able to remember any sadness as soon as this new Select flavor drops.
Plus, perhaps now we'll find some excellent clearance deals on that "old, nasty-tasting, piss-colored stuff" while room is made for the new shininess
In any event, I'm not going to be able to remember any sadness as soon as this new Select flavor drops.
Big Papi
Active member
yea man, i've noticed this as well. we'll see if they release it through the analyzed line. definitely want to try the new version, but i'd definitely jump on some og aiv at clearance prices.
kbayne
Legend
You get more of a pump from Amino IV than High Volume?
Geoforce
Well-known member
I'm sure we represent the minority in caring about the minutia of the formulation compared to flavor and color; it's somewhat of an inevitability that as PEScience moves into more mass marketability, we as "enthusiasts" will need to make some compromises. Amino IV is still a fantastic product and among the best in its category; even if I feel a little let down here, I can't be too upset.
Plus, perhaps now we'll find some excellent clearance deals on that "old, nasty-tasting, piss-colored stuff" while room is made for the new shininess
In any event, I'm not going to be able to remember any sadness as soon as this new Select flavor drops.
I agree. I'm a bit let down as well, but it is still going to be a very solid product. The non prop blend is always preferred, but I didn't expect them to go to it since the original has a prop blend as well. It is also important as you said to realize that the educated supplement consumer is always going to represent the minority.
I'm going to be stocking up on the old Amino IV if some good clearance sales hit for sure and I wish PES the best of success as always!
booneman77
Legend
I have to think that AS will see some of these ingredients. Frankly as is the brand that will be more for the people "in the know" as how many "bros" do you know buying single ingredients and odd extracts?
I'm fine with PES changing some things here and there so long as they keep coming out with new novelties as well. Think of it this way, they introduced a product with a few new compounds and everyone liked them. As it changes, both PES and their consumers can benefit as we can dose the special ingredients however we want and the mass market gets their "sexy" supplement in the shiny bottle.
I have 100% faith that we will see more novel products with fresh ingredients very soon.
I'm fine with PES changing some things here and there so long as they keep coming out with new novelties as well. Think of it this way, they introduced a product with a few new compounds and everyone liked them. As it changes, both PES and their consumers can benefit as we can dose the special ingredients however we want and the mass market gets their "sexy" supplement in the shiny bottle.
I have 100% faith that we will see more novel products with fresh ingredients very soon.
Jiigzz
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hiimnotcool
Member
lol will just stock up on the "old" formula.
you can literally buy 2 pounds of BCAA's from amazon for 55 dollars. throw those in a scoop of Ergonine and you're good to go.
make the money though cuzzzzzzzz
you can literally buy 2 pounds of BCAA's from amazon for 55 dollars. throw those in a scoop of Ergonine and you're good to go.
make the money though cuzzzzzzzz
Auslifter
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inb4 makes a return in an athletix product :O
Titanium Elite
L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate / 1000mg
Cistanche Deserticola (Stem) Extract / 2700mg
Plantago Major L. Extract
Broussonetia Papyrifera Extract / 450mg
Lemon verbena
Paederia foetida extract (20:1)
Fenugreek (seed) Extract 50% / 400mg
Titanium Elite
L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate / 1000mg
Cistanche Deserticola (Stem) Extract / 2700mg
Plantago Major L. Extract
Broussonetia Papyrifera Extract / 450mg
Lemon verbena
Paederia foetida extract (20:1)
Fenugreek (seed) Extract 50% / 400mg
chedapalooza
Legend
take out the Fenu and I'm sold
Auslifter
Well-known member
lol only threw it in to keep the fenu trend of the old one haha, and that extract from licogenix looks interdast. never realised how many proudcts athletix had
Auslifter
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money0351
Well-known member
this makes me happy. And I'm honestly surprised how worked up some people have gotten over the formula change
hiimnotcool
Member
i dont think anyone is worked up. if it's the same price point as before there are definitely cheaper options though. anyone buying Ergonine isn't going to really be interested since it already has TMG, HICA and the Synerglut blend. To each their own though.
NoAddedHmones
Well-known member
May aswell sip you E9 during workout... I have never got around these BCAA intra supps. Find it funny, it always skinny guys with shi+ form sipping on their coloured water at any gyms I go to, never see any serious lifters using them...
chedapalooza
Legend
i Always see monsters carrying around gallons of brightly color drink... Probably intra carbs
NoAddedHmones
Well-known member
Haha probably, don't really have any hardcord BB'ers at the gyms i ususally go to though.
chedapalooza
Legend
I saw a guy repping the whole lat pull stack with 80 extra pounds in plates attached to the front and back tonight. Pure madness
NoAddedHmones
Well-known member
It was quite obviously due to his intra workout BCAA's lolol
bdcc
Legend
Here is the deal guys.
As much as some of you say you loved the lemon verbena, the product just didn't get great feedback. The number of people who complained about the taste was too high.
To me, I genuinely enjoyed the taste and had no idea people struggled with it but a lot of people did.
I enjoyed lemon verbena, having an antioxidant without hampering cellular adaptation to exercise was novel. However, I am happy to replace that with betaine which has actual end point data on body composition and performance.
As much as I love lemon verbena, I love betaine more. On top of that, l-analyl-l-glutamine has data in humans during 40 minute exercise periods which applicable to someone performing workouts in a gym.
This will also allow the product to look and taste better as well which is a plus for everyone.
As much as some of you say you loved the lemon verbena, the product just didn't get great feedback. The number of people who complained about the taste was too high.
To me, I genuinely enjoyed the taste and had no idea people struggled with it but a lot of people did.
I enjoyed lemon verbena, having an antioxidant without hampering cellular adaptation to exercise was novel. However, I am happy to replace that with betaine which has actual end point data on body composition and performance.
As much as I love lemon verbena, I love betaine more. On top of that, l-analyl-l-glutamine has data in humans during 40 minute exercise periods which applicable to someone performing workouts in a gym.
This will also allow the product to look and taste better as well which is a plus for everyone.
bbartsche
Well-known member
Here is the deal guys.
As much as some of you say you loved the lemon verbena, the product just didn't get great feedback. The number of people who complained about the taste was too high.
To me, I genuinely enjoyed the taste and had no idea people struggled with it but a lot of people did.
I enjoyed lemon verbena, having an antioxidant without hampering cellular adaptation to exercise was novel. However, I am happy to replace that with betaine which has actual end point data on body composition and performance.
As much as I love lemon verbena, I love betaine more. On top of that, l-analyl-l-glutamine has data in humans during 40 minute exercise periods which applicable to someone performing workouts in a gym.
This will also allow the product to look and taste better as well which is a plus for everyone.
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carmaf
Well-known member
Do you know if BB.com will get Watermelon?
kbayne
Legend
They will be getting all the new improved flavors. Should be 1-2 weeks depending on how slow they go about it.
ELROCK
Well-known member
Very solid product right there! Except trade out the fenugreek for fadogia.
carmaf
Well-known member
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
DarthGainer
Member
Yeah, Must be the Verb? Cant see the rest of the formula contributing to pumps.
I don't know if its my high bodyfat thats the issue but Nitrates now and again give me pumps but not all the time, I use High volume on Conditioning days for The Nitrates and Cit. Defiantly less fatigue.
Only things that give me massive pumps are GMS 6-12g, ARA (only over 2g), Ment and Dbol.
kbayne
Legend
Could be a number of factors.
DarthGainer
Member
On the taste issue, I have 5 tubs of watermelon and hate the taste but I use half a scoop of BB to 1.5 scoops and it changes the taste completely.
If you wondering why i have 5 tubs of a flavour I don't like, I bought them on a insider.
If you wondering why i have 5 tubs of a flavour I don't like, I bought them on a insider.
Geoforce
Well-known member
Cherry Limeaide is so good. Probably my favorite tasting supplement ever. If OG Amino IV goes on sale I'm buying joints out of it. Even if the new one improves the CL taste, the original is so good I'm getting all over it since I also prefer OG formula.
Hoping retailers have a huge amount in stock
Synapsin
Well-known member
I have been on the forums for almost 10 years and this is the first time I have ever seen feedback about people concerned about b vitamins in an amino product. I wonder if people would have been complaining if Amino IV had originally come out without b vitamins. The lack of b vitamins substantially improves the taste. I'm also surprised people are complaining about taurine being taken out. When the product first came out, people complained saying it was an BCAA/EAA product and that it was a "filler" ingredient. Now people are upset about it being removed. It might seem to people like we are trying to cheapen the product, but the changes to the product come out to be the same cost as the previous formulation of Amino IV. This is not a cost prevention method.
Most likely going to be an AS product in the future.
Big Papi
Active member
taurine is a nice touch, but it's dirt cheap. could also care less about the b-complex. just really surprised you guys took out the verba. i'm going to pull up the citations and do some reading on it this weekend. either way, i think this update is a step up- especially if verba is offered through the as line.
oh, in for the syn/coop alley-oop on a free tub
Synapsin
Well-known member
taurine is a nice touch, but it's dirt cheap. could also care less about the b-complex. just really surprised you guys took out the verba. i'm going to pull up the citations and do some reading on it this weekend. either way, i think this update is a step up- especially if verba is offered through the as line.
oh, in for the syn/coop alley-oop on a free tub
Agreed, I think it's an upgrade as well, and the science is there as well. I'm 95% positive LV will be carried as a bulk product by us. Like some of the reps said, it might seem funny people complained about the colour, but that's where the demographics are leading now, people wanting clear products. We only change products based on two factors: what our customers want, and science. Hopefully we can satisfy the fans of LV by carrying it in bulk
Jiigzz
Legend
Added b vitamins are always a waste. I couldnt care either way.
People hate change. I could do without the added betaine (its in everything) but the synerglut is cool.
Im just excited for taste
Synapsin
Well-known member
Might be in everything but its the first actual PES product to contain it
I never cared much for b vitamins anyway because its in everything. I understand people hate change so I hope our responses can at least help them understand why we made these changes. Last thing we want is people to think we are out to hoodwink them or cheapen a product. I would think a product like high volume shows we are committed to making the best product possible, regardless of cost. I haven't tried the new version though, but I hear the new CL is much better (I actually liked the original CL, and I have no problems admitting when I don't like a flavour).
Jiigzz
Legend
Might be in everything but its the first actual PES product to contain it
Flavour drives me. I wasnt the biggest fan of CL but I imagine these changes have improved that so I will be trying.
People for sure hate change but if you fail to change, you will pay dearly eventually. So I kinda like that you have improved the flavour as I will buy again. I like it for my fasted days
chedapalooza
Legend
Easy enough to pick up taurine powder and add in.. Then u actually know how much you're getting too! I had lowered my b complex dosage Bc of inclusion of b's in amino iv. Now I will simply raise it back up to maintain where I was at. Lastly... U have my permission to charge my card for 5 bottles of verboscaside starting yesterday. Thank you.
