Quads_of_Stee
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Just loling at the crap storm that insued in here. Some people really are ignorant and blinded by their own thoughts
I think they also tested it on cultures?on rats ....
oh im sure.. I was more just stating that it hasn't been tested on humans let alone highly trained ones afaikI think they also tested it on cultures?
Novel concept...:09:Really though, if your not interested in the product just don't purchase it!
PM sent.Novel concept...:09:
What's even more astounding, is not taking advantage of something for free. Something that reliably turns 300lb benchers into 315lb benchers, in SIX workouts.
Yes I will post my results here.Got it. You'll have it shortly after emailing me.
I'd like you to post up you results here, that's all I ask...
There are 4 I'd consider worthy...There's so much craziness in this thread that I can't distinguish good info from...less than good info. Is there a supplement here worth trying? That's all I'm trying to figure out.
SHORT ANSWER: No, Ecdy isn't a substitute for ArA. ALTHOUGH, there's evidence to suggest it increases the pool of free arachidonic acid*.Is ecdy can be substitute for ArA? Since i have a auto immune so i really stay away from ArA product. Looking for muscle mass building supps aside for creatine. I heard good review in predator about mass pro synthagen. Is iforce ecdy ok to substitute for mass pro? Since i cant afford yet to buy mass pro fro now
It's best to load your first bottle every day, as follows:Ok thanks rob. I was thingking if its ok to take mass pro. On during workoit days only? Or even nonworout days. I should still need to take it?
Good info Mixelflick. Since, I have a bottle on hand of iforce ecdy. What would be the best way to dose it in your opinion? It seems to have quite a bit less ecdy in it then your product does.It's best to load your first bottle every day, as follows:
TRAINING DAYS: 5 caps immediately pre, 5 halfway through and 5 immediately after. Thereafter, dial it back to 4/4/4 etc until such time as you establish your LOWEST effective dose threshold. Being a lady, I'm guessing you need less but tough to say how much less. The above is the fastest way to find that dose, and it also allows you to experience MPS at full throttle.
OFF DAYS: 3 caps, 3 times/day just prior to your 3 biggest meals.
2nd bottle, training days only. This will help stretch your supply, while still getting the hallmark recovery benefits MPS is associated with .
Thanks, MixelflickThe amount of Ecdy in Synthagen is proprietary, but is plenty for your typical 200lb athlete. Future batches we're doubling that, given some new info I came across. With respect to dosing, probably best to leave this to the IForce reps, but here's my 2cc's... :veryhappy:
According to Dr. Syrov's paper, "Anabolic Activity of ecdysterone isolated from Rhaponticum Carthamoides" a 200lb trainee would need a minimum of 73mg/day. Timing is a BIG issue IMO. Your ecdy needs to be in circulation with EAA's, given a shortage of just ONE and protein synthesis grinds to a halt.
I'd suggest 2 caps Iforce Ecdy just prior to training with 6 grams of EAA's, and another serving immediately post with 20g of whey. Total of 4 caps on training days. In one study, protein synthesis increased 600% when 6 grams of EAA's were taken prior to training, vs only 400% prior. I do both, to cover all the bases
this is a great way to do it if. ive found however that you can get pretty good recovery by taking it trough the day with protein meals.The amount of Ecdy in Synthagen is proprietary, but is plenty for your typical 200lb athlete. Future batches we're doubling that, given some new info I came across. With respect to dosing, probably best to leave this to the IForce reps, but here's my 2cc's... :veryhappy:
According to Dr. Syrov's paper, "Anabolic Activity of ecdysterone isolated from Rhaponticum Carthamoides" a 200lb trainee would need a minimum of 73mg/day. Timing is a BIG issue IMO. Your ecdy needs to be in circulation with EAA's, given a shortage of just ONE and protein synthesis grinds to a halt.
I'd suggest 2 caps Iforce Ecdy just prior to training with 6 grams of EAA's, and another serving immediately post with 20g of whey. Total of 4 caps on training days. In one study, protein synthesis increased 600% when 6 grams of EAA's were taken prior to training, vs only 400% prior. I do both, to cover all the bases
Like 1 cap with meal, totaling 4 a day? Would that be a good place to start in your opinion?this is a great way to do it if. ive found however that you can get pretty good recovery by taking it trough the day with protein meals.
There's plenty of anecdotal feedback. I compiled around 10 years of posts prior to writing The Blueprint. Some of the most insightful reads on the practical application were Rick Brunner's. For those that remember, Brunner ran Atletika which sold a product called Retibol. The original (white tablets) were incredible, and people still talk about it to this day. He was the first to formulate a low molecular weight intra-workout powder (400 Daltons!), known as AminoFit. It tasted like absolute sh!t but my God, did it work well. Also had an excellent understanding of how to extend Ecdy's duration of action, effects on protein synthesis and the importance of methylation.We should get a thread of results/reviews for ECDY. I feel like this stuff has been around forever but no one has any anecdotal feedback (sort of like Laxogenin)
Ah wow. Never heard of Mass Pro Synthagen and never knew you were the formulator. I'll look it upThere's plenty of anecdotal feedback. I compiled around 10 years of posts prior to writing The Blueprint. Some of the most insightful reads on the practical application were Rick Brunner's. For those that remember, Brunner ran Atletika which sold a product called Retibol. The original (white tablets) were incredible, and people still talk about it to this day. He was the first to formulate a low molecular weight intra-workout powder (400 Daltons!), known as AminoFit. It tasted like absolute sh!t but my God, did it work well. Also had an excellent understanding of how to extend Ecdy's duration of action, effects on protein synthesis and the importance of methylation.
I studied all of it, prior to formulating Mass Pro Synthagen...
There is a reason for this; but perhaps you know this already? L-tryptophan competes for absorption with other EAAsSure is. The body takes time to break any intact protein into its constituent amino acids. Even whey (which is considered a "fast" protein), takes 60 to 90 minutes to hit the bloodstream. That's way far too slow IMO for our purposes..
You also need to scrutinize your EAA's, because a LOT of the products sold today - Don't contain one of the EAA's!!! In a LOT of formulas's its L-Tryptophan. I've seen everything from arginine to tyrosine used in it's place, LOL. You won't have to google many products, to see I speak the truth..
Now that we've established Tryptophan isn't just necessary, but may play a rate limiting role in protein synthesis - question for all the guys using them:There is a reason for this; but perhaps you know this already? L-tryptophan competes for absorption with other EAAs
Great post.In an effort to summarize, here's what I think the consumer needs to know if interested in Ecdy:
1.) Find a product with (ideally), a full spectrum Rhaponticum Carthamoides Extract. Failing that, something with RCE
2.) Ensure said product contains all 9 EAA's. If not, make sure you dose EAA's alongside RCE
3.) Scrutinize your EAA's such that no EAA's are missing!
4.) Use the product during a cut or re-comp, not in a bulking environment
5.) There are 4, perhaps 5 products on the market that qualify
6.) Stay the hell away from Cyanotis Vaga
Your thought on this?In an effort to summarize, here's what I think the consumer needs to know if interested in Ecdy:
1.) Find a product with (ideally), a full spectrum Rhaponticum Carthamoides Extract. Failing that, something with RCE
2.) Ensure said product contains all 9 EAA's. If not, make sure you dose EAA's alongside RCE
3.) Scrutinize your EAA's such that no EAA's are missing!
4.) Use the product during a cut or re-comp, not in a bulking environment
5.) There are 4, perhaps 5 products on the market that qualify
6.) Stay the hell away from Cyanotis Vaga
Lol I know.Hey thats my thread!!!! I was just curious on which to give a go, I may just go back to back and compare results
Have you tried it?MPS is an INCREDIBLE supplement!
Sure have and I have 2 bottles at home waiting for me when I get off the road.Have you tried it?
Yep or recomp. Too large to be bulking.I am guessing like most, you have used it on a cut?
Trans Laxogenin is a possibility, as it has a molecular weight of 430. You'd need a good PE (penetration enhancer), but certainly do-able. As for other Ecdy's being delivered this way, it's much more problematic. Of 476 known Ecdy's, most are in the high 400's, 500's and a few even carrying MW's of 600 or more.
Thanks for sharing your feedback brother...MPS is an INCREDIBLE supplement!
Does it really matter if l-tryptophan is missing in an EAA blend though? Isn’t that the one amino that basically loses to the other EAAs and especially BCAAs in terms of uptake since they compete with it?Sure is. The body takes time to break any intact protein into its constituent amino acids. Even whey (which is considered a "fast" protein), takes 60 to 90 minutes to hit the bloodstream. That's way far too slow IMO for our purposes..
You also need to scrutinize your EAA's, because a LOT of the products sold today - Don't contain one of the EAA's!!! In a LOT of formulas's its L-Tryptophan. I've seen everything from arginine to tyrosine used in it's place, LOL. You won't have to google many products, to see I speak the truth..
Gotcha, thanks!Absolutely crucial it be in there, and it can NOT be synthesized by the body. The primary function of tryptophan in humans is protein synthesis. Because it's found in low concentrations (vs. the other AA's),among the amino acids, researcher's who've studied it think it plays a rate-limiting role during protein synthesis..."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908021/
Where it IS problematic is when trying to get Tryptophan across the blood/brain barrier, to convert to serotonin. The other amino's will compete (and win), washing out its effects. This is true of Glycine, GABA and other amino's designed to elicit a calming and/or GH releasing effect. Prove it to yourself. Down 3-5g GABA on an empty stomach, then repeat that experiment after having a scoop of whey.
I'm suggesting GABA because you can for sure feel it. On an empty stomach, you get a parasthesia type of effect not unlike a niacin flush. You won't get that, when consuming it with other large neutral AA's, or even protein foods...
Thanks so much brother,Can't wait for my next summer cut to try MPS. I like supporting innovators.
Well I can't decide if I want to continue cutting this winter after my sponsored log or if I want to hold off until a few months from now. Tough decisions.Thanks so much brother,
MPS can be used on a bulk for the enhanced recovery, but it really shines on a cut/re-comp.