Ecdysterone? Anyone heard of this?

[snagencyV2.0]

I wish i knew what my connection to America was.

it was simply meant as a random comment to offer some levity to this dastardly and deadly serious conversation going on in here

not American tho?
no worries - if you ever decide to relocate, seems you would fit in well there

that annoying trait which gives them a sense they have the right to interfere and poke around in other peoples business.

see! you got that American thing down it looks like
:thumbsup:

cheers

 

[kissdadookie]

Must be TSA then. Or something that encourages that annoying trait which gives them a sense they have the right to interfere and poke around in other peoples business.

If you didn't want other people to get involved, perhaps your butthurt response to being asked to pay for information should have been kept private between yourself and Mixel? Posting stuff up on a public forum only to receive feedback/input on it is somehow shocking to you... how?

 

[lukyo]

see! you got that American thing down it looks like
:thumbsup:

cheers

Touche

 

[lukyo]

If you didn't want other people to get involved, perhaps your butthurt response to being asked to pay for information should have been kept private between yourself and Mixel? Posting stuff up on a public forum only to receive feedback/input on it is somehow shocking to you... how?

Shocking? Who's shocked. Sadly in this world unasked for opinions are commonplace. Some people just can't help themselves.

Oh no you've got it wrong. He was selling BS for free and I smelled the lies & knew what was next before he said it... expensive BS!

 

[kissdadookie]

Shocking? Who's shocked. Sadly in this world unasked for opinions are commonplace. Some people just can't help themselves.

Oh no you've got it wrong. He was selling BS for free and I smelled the lies & knew what was next before he said it... expensive BS!

So... was he asking money for info or not? If not then it makes no sense for you to complain about free info, if you don't like the advice given, don't follow it.

Again, you posted your angry posts about people trying to provide you with info on a public forum thread, people responding and giving their own opinions is to be expected. No need to get so angry about it

 

[lukyo]

I see his marketing ploy was to complex for the likes of you. He was calling "free" that which has a price tag.

I just pointed out the BS. You got all butthurt with a white knight syndrome.

 

[lukyo]

on a public forum thread, people responding and giving their own opinions is to be expected. No need to get so angry about it

The irony!!! Haha

That's what your criticizing me for doing!

 

[kissdadookie]

False dichotomy there kidfo. See his marketing ploy was to complex for the likes of you.

I just pointed out the BS. You got all butthurt with a white knight syndrome.

What BS was he pointing out?

Just wasted more of my time re-reading the whole thing between you and Mixel, he was giving you legit information. The problem here is that he couldn't answer you in reference to how much the ecdy he suggested would cost you. Then you got butthurt and started accusing the poor guy as a snake oil saleseman.

So in summary, this is roughly what happened:

1) Guy gives you info.
2) You want to know how much the ecdy would cost you.
3) He doesn't have an answer for you (and how would he? what you are asking is basically where to source a raw ingredient from and how much this raw ingredient costs, that is typically information a bulk purchaser such as a person trying to put out a supplement product would negotiate with a provider of raw materials).
4) You get butthurt that someone can't give you a price on a raw ingredient and then go around accusing the poor guy of being a snake oil salesman.
5) I come in and point out the many flaws in your argument.
6) You start jumping around the fact that your argument has more holes than a sinking ship by bringing up amino spiking of all things.
7) At the end I had to reread this cluster fuak of a thread just to make sure I wasn't imagining all this, turns out that I'm not going insane and that your deflections along with your strategy of introducing confusion worked.
8) Not falling for your deflection and confusion tactics again

The irony!!! Haha

That's what your criticizing me for doing!

I was providing feedback/opinions. You have been making accusations, first accusations on Mixel and now accusations on me.

BTW, the studies that Mixel was referencing, they really aren't available freely online. They are quite obscure. So no, there is no good reason why he should freely give that info away to you. LoL. It's not pubmed stuff.

 

[lukyo]

Since you're so obsessed with my conversation with him. Write a fraction of those words above and tell me what verifiable information he gave me?

We can agree I guess on your confusion. Sad product of public school system you are.

Legit information! Hahahaha!
"Mother nature doesn't fuk up" trust me because "natures fingerprint" " and btw I have POWER aka info thats worth $1000+ "

Real legitimate alright.

Am I talking to mixel? An employee? Relative? Or a retard?

 

[kissdadookie]

Since you're so obsessed with my conversation with him. Write a fraction of those words above and tell me what verifiable information he gave me?

We can agree I guess on your confusion. Sad product of public school system you are.

Legit information! Hahahaha!
"Mother nature doesn't fuk up" trust me because "natures fingerprint" " and btw I have POWER aka info thats worth $1000+ "

Real legitimate alright.

Am I talking to mixel? An employee? Relative? Or a retard?

Defend your arguments maturely instead of just resorting to insults for the sake of insults please Or just keep throwing insults around, that's fine as well and provides entertainment value I suppose.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Essentially you can't read or have a short memory.

I'm not angry. I didn't involve myself in a conversation i wasn't apart of.

I didn't want his info/BS. I wouldn't give him my email in order to prevent him sending me anything. Especially since when he asked for it he didn't identify himself as a businessman.

the funny thing is, mixle was trying to send you a FREE xls. that he couldn't PM you.. so now after all this you look like the biggest ******* in recent weeks this board has seen. just go. really no one wants to debate this with you any more. you have been a complete jack ass in all of this.

 

[lukyo]

Defend your arguments maturely instead of just resorting to insults for the sake of insults please Or just keep throwing insults around, that's fine as well and provides entertainment value I suppose.

if you cant tell the difference between me quoting his own words and insulting him that about says it all.

 

[lukyo]

the funny thing is, mixle was trying to send you a FREE xls. that he couldn't PM you.. so now after all this you look like the biggest ******* in recent weeks this board has seen. just go. really no one wants to debate this with you any more. you have been a complete jack ass in all of this.

of course he was. That's why he said that....actually wait he didn't say that at all. He asked for my email in return for something priceless...if you believe him than i have a secret workout trick you can do to give you a six pack in only 3 days. It's normally $1000 but for today only im gonna offer it to you for $99.95 and i'll throw in a free dosage calculator that's worth $200 on it's own. So you'll be getting $1200 of information for a fraction of the cost! I obtained this over 20 years of researching hidden and forgotten studies no longer available to the public. If you just give me your email i'll send you something valuable but i can't tell you what it is yet. Interested?

"really no one wants to debate this with you any more"

That's quite obviously untrue since people are.....oh look one more to disprove what you said... YOU! Another minion can you find another way to promote his stuff?....maybe type "FREE" a couple more times just like you did in your last post so some more people message him.

 

[kissdadookie]

if you cant tell the difference between me quoting his own words and insulting him that about says it all.

Just because you quoted his post and then follow that up by accusing the poor guy as a snake oil salesman, this now somehow frees you from the fact that you ultimately did insult the guy and accuse him of being a snake oil salesman? Love you logic. Keep going

 

[lukyo]

Just because you quoted his post and then follow that up by accusing the poor guy as a snake oil salesman, this now somehow frees you from the fact that you ultimately did insult the guy and accuse him of being a snake oil salesman? Love you logic. Keep going

Free's me of that? I'm still calling him a snakeoil salesman. I'm quite obviously and admittedly calling him that....not much gets past you!

 

[kissdadookie]

Free's me of that? I'm still calling him a snakeoil salesman. I'm quite obviously and admittedly calling him that....not much gets past you!

So, you're stating that you aren't insulting him and just quoting what Mixel posted... except now you're saying essentially "hell yeah I'm insulting him!" Gotcha

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

what country are you from? priceless is just a saying here in the states you fool. it means what he was going to send is highly valuable to him but doesn't have a specific or set price.. usually this is something that cant be replaced like a set of fine china. he wanted to send you a copy of his training calculator that would help you use YOUR herbs to the best advantage.. its his own writings from 20 plus yrs of training and studying ecdys. he wasn't going to charge you anything. to prove that point he offered everyone else here a free copy too! he just couldn't give it to you over a private message. you had to go get all worked up like he was going to send you a virus or something. its laughable.. all 26 of your posts have been here in this thread, 99% of which make you look like an ass. people tried to help you and you got combative. end of story. again just STFU and go. you obviously know everything anyhow so why the fuk you even here?

 

[lukyo]

So, you're stating that you aren't insulting him and just quoting what Mixel posted... except now you're saying essentially "hell yeah I'm insulting him!" Gotcha

When did i state i wasn't calling him a snakeoil salesman?

Since you want me to maturely make my argument let's be clear. I have made no claims about any product/compound/herb doing anything. He has. I said BS. Now when you're ready show me it's not.

 

[kissdadookie]

When did i state i wasn't calling him a snakeoil salesman?

Since you want me to maturely make my argument let's be clear. I have made no claims about any product/compound/herb doing anything. He has. I said BS. Now when you're ready show me it's not.

But you stated that you were just quoting the guy and not insulting him in just a few posts above. In the same post you essentially questioned my reading comprehension skills. So you basically claimed not to have insulted the guy except now you're saying that you are insulting the guy. Gotcha, makes sense

what country are you from? priceless is just a saying here in the states you fool. it means what he was going to send is highly valuable to him but doesn't have a specific or set price.. usually this is something that cant be replaced like a set of fine china. he wanted to send you a copy of his training calculator that would help you use YOUR herbs to the best advantage.. its his own writings from 20 plus yrs of training and studying ecdys. he wasn't going to charge you anything. to prove that point he offered everyone else here a free copy too! he just couldn't give it to you over a private message. you had to go get all worked up like he was going to send you a virus or something. its laughable.. all 26 of your posts have been here in this thread, 99% of which make you look like an ass. people tried to help you and you got combative. end of story. again just STFU and go. you obviously know everything anyhow so why the fuk you even here?

But bro, he wants to be educated... except he doesn't. You know how it works.

 

[lukyo]

what country are you from? priceless is just a saying here in the states you fool. it means what he was going to send is highly valuable to him but doesn't have a specific or set price.. usually this is something that cant be replaced like a set of fine china. he wanted to send you a copy of his training calculator that would help you use YOUR herbs to the best advantage.. its his own writings from 20 plus yrs of training and studying ecdys. he wasn't going to charge you anything. to prove that point he offered everyone else here a free copy too! he just couldn't give it to you over a private message. you had to go get all worked up like he was going to send you a virus or something. its laughable.. all 26 of your posts have been here in this thread, 99% of which make you look like an ass. people tried to help you and you got combative. end of story. again just STFU and go. you obviously know everything anyhow so why the fuk you even here?

Great job! you got "free" in there again! He'll be please with you!

It was a calculator for a herb i don't have. But for one he's telling me to BUY! But he can't give me a reason why i should. except he has information he can't share that proves its better....he wasn't going to charge me anything for something i dont want? lucky me. Those poor fellas forking out $100 when he gives it away free to first time posters who give him their email. Who's worked up but you? Who would get worked up by my posts?...a minion for him?

Since you're so passionate can you provide anything but promises to encourage any readers to take his advice and give him some dough?

 

[lukyo]

But you stated that you were just quoting the guy and not insulting him in just a few posts above. In the same post you essentially questioned my reading comprehension skills. So you basically claimed not to have insulted the guy except now you're saying that you are insulting the guy. Gotcha, makes sense



But bro, he wants to be educated... except he doesn't. You know how it works.

You do have a lack of reading skills. I said you confused my quoting him with insults....you can read into that if you like. or get confused. or write a few more posts about it

 

[kissdadookie]

You do have a lack of reading skills. I said you confused my quoting him with insults....you can read into that if you like. or get confused. or write a few more posts about it

So... you quoting him and then essentially accusing him of trying to scam you isn't an example of you insulting him... except that you are? Gotcha.

 

[lukyo]

So... you quoting him and then essentially accusing him of trying to scam you isn't an example of you insulting him... except that you are? Gotcha.

poor timmy. lets try again. he's a snake oil salesman. That's an insult if you think you're not. It's not if you know you are. It is if you believe in his BS. if one quotes him it will seem like demagoguery. That's a big word i know but just take your time with this paragraph.

 

[Jiigzz]

So... you quoting him and then essentially accusing him of trying to scam you isn't an example of you insulting him... except that you are? Gotcha.

He actually has a point if you re-read the thread.

He was offered "free" info that had a price.

Why are you getting butthurt over this?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

I don't need to. mixle has been around these and many of the other board forums for as long as there has been an internet with body building forums. I don't work for him and I don't sell stuff for him. I even told you I don't always agree with him. even though he has made 100s of friends on these boards by helping people to get the most out of their adaptogens. you come in here and say basically "hey guys ima take 1200mgs per day of ecdy what do you think of that?" and when everyone tells you not to bother "unless" you use a certain kind of ecdy, you get all bent out of shape. I saw no where ITT were mixle tried to sell you anything.. all he was trying to do was convey to you to save your money and effort. search for the best ecdy extracts and design a work out program that would compliment those adaptogens. again here we are talking in circles.. this will be my last post to you as you don't need my or anyone elses help. make your own choices. no one needs to hold your hand.. your 44 yrs old FFS.

 

[kissdadookie]

poor timmy. lets try again. he's a snake oil salesman. That's an insult if you think you're not. It's not if you know you are. It is if you believe in his BS. if one quotes him it will seem like demagoguery. That's a big word i know but just take your time with this paragraph.

Please go back and look through your back and forths with him. You didn't start accusing him of this and that until the umpteenth time he didn't answer your question in regards to how much the ecdy he was suggesting would cost you. Your butthurtedness ultimately stems from that point forward, not from him self advertising Blueprint. You've essentially used that whole self advertising/snake oil salesman argument as your excuse for being butthurt that he didn't give you a price estimate on the ecdy he was suggesting.

He actually has a point if you re-read the thread.

He was offered "free" info that had a price.

Why are you getting butthurt over this?

Not butthurt at all. I did re-read the thread. The info was being offered free and then Mixel also threw in some marketing for the Blueprint ebook. What was being offered was free (the Excel sheet) and some advertising thrown in for the Blueprint.

However, the issue ultimately stems from lukyo not being happy about Mixel not giving him a price estimate for the ecdy extract that he was suggesting. Please don't make me go back to read that wreck a third time

 

[Jiigzz]

I should add that i do not think mixel is a snake oil salesmen, but asking for studies to back up someones position should be encouraged, not flamed, despite ones standing in the industry.

People should be skeptical and ask questions, not follow advice blindly.

 

[lukyo]

I don't need to. mixle has been around these and many of the other board forums for as long as there has been an internet with body building forums. I don't work for him and I don't sell stuff for him. I even told you I don't always agree with him. even though he has made 100s of friends on these boards by helping people to get the most out of their adaptogens. you come in here and say basically "hey guys ima take 1200mgs per day of ecdy what do you think of that?" and when everyone tells you not to bother "unless" you use a certain kind of ecdy, you get all bent out of shape. I saw no where ITT were mixle tried to sell you anything.. all he was trying to do was convey to you to save your money and effort. search for the best ecdy extracts and design a work out program that would compliment those adaptogens. again here we are talking in circles.. this will be my last post to you as you don't need my or anyone elses help. make your own choices. no one needs to hold your hand.. your 44 yrs old FFS.

You so do work for him!!! Its obvious with all of the mistakes you just made! You didn't get "FREE" in there this time though

Where did you get 44 years old!!haha it was probably his scare tactics in telling me my test will have a sharp decline soon! Or are you mixle and got confused who you're trying to dupe?

I didn't ask anyone advice about my dosage. He offered advice on using ecdys. Then asked what i was going to do. He later says ecdys DONT WORK!! THat they're not an active ingredient (lie) it's the other stuff in the herb...the secret natures fingerprint. He said he doesn't know what it is but has secret studies proving it works with special method of using it.
Like normal people i want something to help me with my goals. He tries to convince me to change my goals to his special workout program to get the best out of this unknown anabolic.

See ya Mixle

 

[Jiigzz]

Please go back and look through your back and forths with him. You didn't start accusing him of this and that until the umpteenth time he didn't answer your question in regards to how much the ecdy he was suggesting would cost you. Your butthurtedness ultimately stems from that point forward, not from him self advertising Blueprint. You've essentially used that whole self advertising/snake oil salesman argument as your excuse for being butthurt that he didn't give you a price estimate on the ecdy he was suggesting.

Not butthurt at all. I did re-read the thread. The info was being offered free and then Mixel also threw in some marketing for the Blueprint ebook. What was being offered was free (the Excel sheet) and some advertising thrown in for the Blueprint.

However, the issue ultimately stems from lukyo not being happy about Mixel not giving him a price estimate for the ecdy extract that he was suggesting. Please don't make me go back to read that wreck a third time

I get that he was offered the xls spreadsheet for free but lukyo was obviously thrown back when he was being sold some books.

If he chooses not to accept the free stuff or the advice then there is no need to flame.

Causing drama will just lead to more drama.

This thread is a disaster

 

[kissdadookie]

I should add that i do not think mixel is a snake oil salesmen, but asking for studies to back up someones position should be encouraged, not flamed, despite ones standing in the industry.

People should be skeptical and ask questions, not follow advice blindly.

But that is ultimately not the reason why lukyo is all pissed. That's what lukyo is claiming to be the reason but if you go back to look at the back and forths he had with Mixel, it was basically lukyo asking what the price of the ecdy mixel was suggesting would cost and then lukyo went on rambling about how what Mixel was suggesting was some dog chit unicorn extract that probably isn't worth a damn and that Mixel probably only suggested it so that one would eventually hit Mixel up for a copy of Blueprint.

I get that he was offered the xls spreadsheet for free but lukyo was obviously thrown back when he was being sold some books.

If he chooses not to accept the free stuff or the advice then there is no need to flame.

Causing drama will just lead to more drama.

This thread is a disaster

Lukyo was getting way ruffled way before the Blueprint was even mentioned. Lukyo was getting pissed when Mixel was trying to kindly tell him that his 1200 mg's ecdy per day adventure is most likely going to be disappointing because he's using the wrong extract.

Advice was given, genuine advice, but somebody sure didn't like the advice given and trying real hard to come up with reasons to discredit the advice being given

 

[Oscar]

So much anger in here if I could pass this j through the internet I would.

 

[kissdadookie]

So much anger in here if I could pass this j through the internet I would.

Make it happen!

 

[lukyo]

Please go back and look through your back and forths with him. You didn't start accusing him of this and that until the umpteenth time he didn't answer your question in regards to how much the ecdy he was suggesting would cost you. Your butthurtedness ultimately stems from that point forward, not from him self advertising Blueprint. You've essentially used that whole self advertising/snake oil salesman argument as your excuse for being butthurt that he didn't give you a price estimate on the ecdy he was suggesting.



Not butthurt at all. I did re-read the thread. The info was being offered free and then Mixel also threw in some marketing for the Blueprint ebook. What was being offered was free (the Excel sheet) and some advertising thrown in for the Blueprint.

However, the issue ultimately stems from lukyo not being happy about Mixel not giving him a price estimate for the ecdy extract that he was suggesting. Please don't make me go back to read that wreck a third time

wow you're dense. I asked him once about how much his advice would cost me to try out. Theres is no reason to believe he just wanted to send me a xls since he only said this after the fact. After i rejected the attempt to get my email and to accept all of his "facts" at face value. He was promoting his "special method" the whole time....are yea he just "threw it in there", that thing that's his fulltime job.

Because giving away an xls that is only useful if you follow his program that cost hundred bucks isn't trying to sell anything. What a helpful guy.

I called him a snakeoil salesman after he hadn't provided anything but opinion a dozen posts. The content of the posts was clue enough anyway.

How long you gonna keep at this mixel?

 

[kissdadookie]

wow you're dense. I asked him once about how much his advice would cost me to try out. Theres is no reason to believe he just wanted to send me a xls since he only said this after the fact. After i rejected the attempt to get my email and to accept all of his "facts" at face value. He was promoting his "special method" the whole time....are yea he just "threw it in there", that thing that's his fulltime job.

Because giving away an xls that is only useful if you follow his program that cost hundred bucks isn't trying to sell anything. What a helpful guy.

I called him a snakeoil salesman after he hadn't provided anything but opinion a dozen posts. The content of the posts was clue enough anyway.

How long you gonna keep at this mixel?

I'm now affiliated with Mixel now? Srs?

Anyhoot, he gave you the most solid advice you could have received way before any free xl or whatever sheet was being offered. That advice was that what you were using was bunk. Then he suggested ecdy extracts which would be more promising. You kept on asking about how much this ecdy extra would cost you. He didn't answer that question, you asked again, he still didn't answer. Then he started talking about the excel sheet and Blueprint and whatever, but you were already pissed off long before that when you couldn't get pricing on the extract he was suggesting you to go try out.

 

[lukyo]

But that is ultimately not the reason why lukyo is all pissed. That's what lukyo is claiming to be the reason but if you go back to look at the back and forths he had with Mixel, it was basically lukyo asking what the price of the ecdy mixel was suggesting would cost and then lukyo went on rambling about how what Mixel was suggesting was some dog chit unicorn extract that probably isn't worth a damn and that Mixel probably only suggested it so that one would eventually hit Mixel up for a copy of Blueprint.



Lukyo was getting way ruffled way before the Blueprint was even mentioned. Lukyo was getting pissed when Mixel was trying to kindly tell him that his 1200 mg's ecdy per day adventure is most likely going to be disappointing because he's using the wrong extract.

Advice was given, genuine advice, but somebody sure didn't like the advice given and trying real hard to come up with reasons to discredit the advice being given

Im trying my "adventure" without any false hopes. When he said it won't work i asked why. He siad natures fingerprint and other BS. I've had no anger. I just called a horse a horse. His whole conversation with me was obviously to lead me to buy his books so i wouldn't "waste thousands of dollars" (hilarious) doing a protocol other than his.

He said ecdy doesn't work FFS.

 

[lukyo]

I'm now affiliated with Mixel now? Srs?

Anyhoot, he gave you the most solid advice you could have received way before any free xl or whatever sheet was being offered. That advice was that what you were using was bunk. Then he suggested ecdy extracts which would be more promising. You kept on asking about how much this ecdy extra would cost you. He didn't answer that question, you asked again, he still didn't answer. Then he started talking about the excel sheet and Blueprint and whatever, but you were already pissed off long before that when you couldn't get pricing on the extract he was suggesting you to go try out.

Please please give the post number for alleged 2nd and subsequent questions about cost

Liar

He couldn't say why other extracts are more promising. He also said ecdy was no good in the other product anyway! So what is it about the other product. Couldn't say. "But buy my book and it'll work i promise"


How do you know it's solid advice? You'd have to know it's bunk. You'd also have to know the other isn't. He couldn't say why. How can you? Ahhh you're bull****tng too! Or is it just mixel again?

 

[kissdadookie]

Im trying my "adventure" without any false hopes. When he said it won't work i asked why. He siad natures fingerprint and other BS. I've had no anger. I just called a horse a horse. His whole conversation with me was obviously to lead me to buy his books so i wouldn't "waste thousands of dollars" (hilarious) doing a protocol other than his.

He said ecdy doesn't work FFS.

Wasn't really BS actually. We are talking about plants here. Many a times, a full spectrum extract is more effective than one standardized for XYZ. For example, ashwaghanda. Most people go goo goo gah gah over the Sensoril extract but I actually found a few brands that doesn’t use that specific extract to be more effective for what I typically use it for (calming/rest/sleep). You’re accusing it to being BS because you didn’t grasp what he was saying there. He assumed that you understood, but apparently you did not. Sometimes mother nature does know best and things work better left closer to the form it is found in nature.

Ecdy indeed doesn’t really work in the way that supplement companies have been pushing it. Or like these European obscure studies would suggest these things would work for anabolism (which supplement companies are basing ecdy products off of in the first place). Is it totally useless? Perhaps not, not enough data is available for ecdy and what is available for it are largely obscure and not things that you can dig around online to find on PubMed. However, there have been some more recent studies on ecdy in which they try to find an MOA for potential anabolism. There has been some promise but by and large, it’s still up in the air as to if the stuff works or not.

Mixel was pretty clear, he essentially said that if you are going to eff around with ecdy, might as well play with the extracts that shows more promise rather than what you had originally planned to do. That’s IF you wish to experiment with it, but ultimately, there’s other things that would probably actually give you results that you could spend your money on instead.

Please please give the post number for alleged 2nd and subsequent questions about cost

Liar

He couldn't say why other extracts are more promising. He also said ecdy was no good in the other product anyway! So what is it about the other product. Couldn't say. "But buy my book and it'll work i promise"


How do you know it's solid advice? You'd have to know it's bunk. You'd also have to know the other isn't. He couldn't say why. How can you? Ahhh you're bull****tng too! Or is it just mixel again?

Like I said earlier, you already conned me into rereading the earlier cluster fuak posts. I’m not going to do that for the third time.

 

[lukyo]

"Please please give the post number for alleged 2nd and subsequent questions about cost

Liar"

Like I said earlier, you already conned me into rereading the earlier cluster fuak posts. I’m not going to do that for the third time.

I didn't need a crystal ball to see this one

 

[lukyo]

Wasn't really BS actually. We are talking about plants here.

No we ( me and mixel or is that you?) were talking about ecdy. He offered advice on how to get the most out of it. Later he said it doesn't work.

Many a times, a full spectrum extract is more effective than one standardized for XYZ.

Many times? Based on what? It'd be a coincidence if something had more than one highly effective active ingredient

.

Sometimes mother nature does know best and things work better left closer to the form it is found in nature.

You are a disciple. What does that even mean! You believe nature intends roots to be used for bodybuilding purposes? That the plants roots aren't for the plant but are designed to be eaten by would be musclemen? What a quack you are. Pseudo BS'r you are.

Mixel was pretty clear,

Yea he was. "Buy my book or waste THOUSANDS of dollars!!!"

 

[kissdadookie]

^ Still so upset over Mixel

 

[lukyo]

^ Still so upset over Mixel

Who refers to themself in the third person?

 

[kissdadookie]

Who refers to themself in the third person?

LOL. So now I'm Mixel am I? LOL. You're awesome

 

[Mixelflick]

Supreme Sports
Enhancement Omnibolic....looks like a good one. What do you think Mixelflick?

I think you should PM me. You seem like you have a genuine interest/not jaded...

Thank you

 

[Mixelflick]

So... was he asking money for info or not? If not then it makes no sense for you to complain about free info, if you don't like the advice given, don't follow it.

Again, you posted your angry posts about people trying to provide you with info on a public forum thread, people responding and giving their own opinions is to be expected. No need to get so angry about it

Thought I was pretty clear: I offered him loading pattern excel based auto-calculators for FREE. He seems to think I have an ulterior motive, LOL. Do I sell books, formulate supps for certain companies? Yes. Does that make me a bad guy/someone out to dupe people out of their money?

Hardly.

If I was, I'd be a MAJOR player in the news stand mags paying HUGE money to the mags for multi-page, glossy "advertorials" LOL, have "pro's" endorsing the supplements I formulate and have fancy labels/drug sounding names and/or "better than steroids" claims in my ad copy. Speaking of "pro" endorsements: Do the 15/16 yr old young men getting into this great sport REALLY believe these "pros" got that way, by taking "SuperSupplement X"? I think we knew this, when I was 15 LOL.

So today, "university studies" are offered as "PROOF" SuperSupplementX will make you HOOOOYYYGE! You can see this playing out today, with the "second coming" of "feels like deca". This new version was found in a UNIVERSITY STUDY to build OVER 16lbs of LBM in 12 weeks! And oh, they added 170lbs to their total (SQ/BP/DL)!!! That's OVER 3X's the placebo group!!!

Their are pics of guys will rippling muscles, graphs, charts, scientific reference etc. And one of the biggest supp companies on the planet is pushing it. So they have the "studies" everyone (luckyo? - he seems big on studies), everyone is looking for..

Of course I don't play these games, but this guys seems oblivious to it. The auto-calculator/loading patters that I WAS going to give him for free, would take him (anyone) further than any bottle of pills, powders or potions. The younger generation has been conditioned to believe this just can't be, but let him find out the hard way. He's just starting in his powerlifting journey. Maybe after he wasting thousands of dollars, time and incurring injuries that prevent him from becoming elite he'll figure it out.

Don't bank on it though. He's too paranoid. ANYONE offering to help him (and asks for nothing in return, like me), is suspect. OK I asked for his email address. How else am I to deliver an excel based auto-calculator? Snail mail it to him??

After decades of dealing with these people, it's best to let them go man. Most of them, anyway - see below. Some just can't be helped.

He's one of them...

 

[Mixelflick]

wow you're dense. I asked him once about how much his advice would cost me to try out. Theres is no reason to believe he just wanted to send me a xls since he only said this after the fact. After i rejected the attempt to get my email and to accept all of his "facts" at face value. He was promoting his "special method" the whole time....are yea he just "threw it in there", that thing that's his fulltime job.

A. You know this is my full time job today, how?

Because giving away an xls that is only useful if you follow his program that cost hundred bucks isn't trying to sell anything. What a helpful guy.

A. You ASSume too much. The auto-calculator/loading can be used with ANY program. Please show me where I said it would ONLY work with my program?

I called him a snakeoil salesman after he hadn't provided anything but opinion a dozen posts. The content of the posts was clue enough anyway.

A. I've been on this board over a decade, a lot longer than that on other boards. In other words, likely longer than you've been seriously training/taken a genuine interest in Ecdy

How long you gonna keep at this mixel?

A. I'm going to do it until they put me in the ground brother. You know why?

Because I enjoy helping people reach their goals. I wasn't doing that in insurance, earning six figures. And no, I didn't sell anything. Just so we're clear: I've GIVEN AWAY far more information than I've sold. I'd also bet both my IRA's and house that I've helped more people in my travels than you have, because I have notes from here to AUSTRALIA testifying to that fact.

Just give me the word boss, because I can't WAIT to drop them on you.

Normally, I ignore people like this and focus on my show on superhumanradio.com, writing books, special reports, formulating or helping people reach their goals. Occasionally though if the individual is so antagonistic/paranoid/oblivious, I'll partake.

It's fun for me, like plucking the wings off a fly... :buttkick:

 

[Mixelflick]

He couldn't say why other extracts are more promising.

How many times do I need to explain the superiority of Rhaponticum Carthamoids Extract and the levseins complex vs. Cyanotis Vaga, (Pfaffia Paniculata, Abuta Velutina, Vitex, Surratula Coronata etc) for you to "get it"? Do you think maybe, just MAYBE Thermolife, IForce, MASS and Tonvara know a little something you don't?? If you're privy to new information, I'm all ears. The ICPS (Institute of Chemistry and Plant Sciences in Uzbekistan) would love to know too. Here, lemme help you out.

I've even given you Niyazov's cell phone. Here it is again, just in case you get confused by all the letters and numbers below:

Mobile:

998-971560216

Please tell him Rob Regish sent you..

Contact Details Contact Person : Mr. Khasan Niyazov (Sales) Company : Institute of the Chemistry of Plant Substances Address: 77 H.Abdullaev, Tashkent, Uzbekistan Zip/Postal: 700170 Telephone: 998-71-1625913 Fax: 998-71-1627348 Mobile: 998-971560216

Now all's not lost if you change your mind about 20-H. When you call ICPS, ask to speak to Dr. Syrov or member if his team and have HIM explain why they RCE for Ecdysterone (not withstanding Ajuga Turkistanica, which is preferred starter material for Turkesterone). The only company approved in the U.S. to sell that btw, is/was Thermolife (see attached).

I've also seen where you think I'm "pushing" my book. Not once in this thread nor via PM have I done so. Not even close. The ONE PM I sent you was an attempt on my part to help you, not re-direct you a competing website etc.. The members here can judge for themselves. Just give the me word and I'll post it up here for you (and the world) to see, OK?

Finally, let's end on a positive note shall we? NP's: I-Force's Ecdy...

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/iforc/kiloe-nutrition/ecdy-90-caps.html

Although we differ on certain points, we ARE in agreement on Rhaponticum Carthamoides Extract. As such, they're to be commended because genuine RCE is north of $2,500/kilo last time I looked. I say genuine because you'll find "RCE" (especially out of China) going for quite a bit less ($300/kilo, in some places). Upon further inspection and a few phone calls it isn't 100% RCE. You know what a good chunk of it turned out to be boss?

Cyanotis Vaga...

 

[kissdadookie]

Just so lukyo is clear... I am not Mixel/Regish

 

[Mixelflick]

:AR15firing:

Just so lukyo is clear... I am not Mixel/Regish

Unreal. Let the mods run an IP check and post their findings here. Real name is Rob Regish, posting this from CT where my son and I are relaxing. Nicholas Maximus wants to use the computer though, he's all keyed up about Plants vs Zombies 2.

I told him sure, just don't go looking for Cyanotis Vaga. He even picked this icon, after I told him how hard-headed you've been... :AR15firing:

 

[koi1214]

Weren't most most of the ecdy studies done intravenously?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Weren't most most of the ecdy studies done intravenously?

on rats ....