If FOLLIDRONE is bunk & results R placebo Ill take placebo

it doesn't matter how old your Dad is there'll always be a part of you that thinks he could still clean your clock if he wanted to
 
Yeah, my Dad is 82 and is still in great shape. Last weekend, I helped him tear down an old wooden shed and put up a new shed. The man is a beast.
 
brundel said:
Also...we have another report of 10lbs weight gain in 14 days with no diet change.
Seems like alot of 2-6lbs...with a few scattered freaks.
Ive never used a placebo that did this ;)
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If this is true...

I think I'm sold. Cautiously optimistic, but enough to give it a shot when back in stock. Will be my first foray into BLR.
 
Segansational said:
If this is true...

I think I'm sold. Cautiously optimistic, but enough to give it a shot when back in stock. Will be my first foray into BLR.
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At this point its not longer just my word for it.
There are dozens of sponsored and non sponsored logs up here and all over the net.
Similar results on all of em.
 
brundel said:
Im not sure but if the results from the ARA are transient, meaning it goes away post cycle Id wait a bit before starting the Follidrone.
This way your not losing what you gained from ARA while assessing Follidrone. It will highly effect potential.
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Good call. Will give it a solid 2 weeks off dosing ARA while I continue ABE.
 
I could just see you giggling like a little school girl thinking about how funny and creative you thought you were being.
 
kisaj said:
I could just see you giggling like a little school girl thinking about how funny and creative you thought you were being.
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the funny thing is never thought there'd be a natty with "mt results" least not in anyone here lifetimes
 
musclez said:
What do you think about throwing it into PCT with 1250mg of ArA?
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I think neither are used for PCT. SO, as long as you have a solid PCT setup I think Follidrone would be a good addition.
Im still not a fan of ARA. Seems like there is some indication it can work but after spending a good deal of time researching it I firmly believe the risk isnt worth the result. Especially when there are better options with 0 risks.
 
brundel said:
I think neither are used for PCT. SO, as long as you have a solid PCT setup I think Follidrone would be a good addition. Im still not a fan of ARA. Seems like there is some indication it can work but after spending a good deal of time researching it I firmly believe the risk isnt worth the result. Especially when there are better options with 0 risks.
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yeah I'm not an ARA fan either. Epicatechin seems very promising tho. A lot of these logs are done by guys I've talked to for a long time, so I believe a lot of these results
 
hurdlemaker said:
yeah I'm not an ARA fan either. Epicatechin seems very promising tho. A lot of these logs are done by guys I've talked to for a long time, so I believe a lot of these results
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Everyone who ran logs was/is a long term member with tons of posts.
Well known guys with multiple logs.
Honest reviews.
Quite a few are non sponsored so....its just guys who bought the product and ran logs to benefit the community. Same results as the sponsored logs :)
We also got lucky that the loggers were good loggers. Detailed with weight and strength and PR numbers and overall feelings.
This makes it easier to point out whats happening.

For example when 100% of guys say they felt endurance in the first few days if not the first its easy to say its the Follidrone.
When most if not all gain bodyweight....some even in caloric deficit and with concurrent bodyfat loss....its pretty much GOT to be the Follidrone.

This is why logs are so good for products like this. Some people dont believe at first but once there are dozens of logs up supporting our statements its hard to deny.
 
not yet
 
Raws are in hand. Gonna ship em out on Monday for hopefully a rush manufacturing job.
Soon.
 
Follidrone is the bee's knees if you jump on it while in an overtrained state, just sayin.

I've got before pictures & will drop my review when the run is done.

Brundel, you're the man.
 
Damn I may needa open my bottles early lol
 
Driven2lift said:
Follidrone is the bee's knees if you jump on it while in an overtrained state, just sayin.

I've got before pictures & will drop my review when the run is done.

Brundel, you're the man.
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You run a log?
 
BPjohn123 said:
You run a log?
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I don't feel right running a log due to some intermittent medical issues right now unfortunately.
A thorough review I will do though.

Hope to be able to log again by the time PES blesses my stash with a new pre :)
 
Driven2lift said:
I don't feel right running a log due to some intermittent medical issues right now unfortunately.
A thorough review I will do though.

Hope to be able to log again by the time PES blesses my stash with a new pre :)
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Please link your final review in here.

Also I'm realllllllyyy looking forward to the new pre.

Nothing has even touched enhanced for me.
 
aceroni said:
Please link your final review in here.

Also I'm realllllllyyy looking forward to the new pre.

Nothing has even touched enhanced for me.
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Will do and likewise.
Enhanced was another level of pre for me

Katana was great too but only ran one bottle before it got reformulated.
 
Is this product going to give much results on a cut that may border on recomp by the end? From what I've read so far it's looking good for bulking but I haven't seen much else mentioned.
 
Driven2lift said:
Follidrone is the bee's knees if you jump on it while in an overtrained state, just sayin.

I've got before pictures & will drop my review when the run is done.

Brundel, you're the man.
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Was this true over training? Or "brover training?"

;)
 
houstontexas said:
Is this product going to give much results on a cut that may border on recomp by the end? From what I've read so far it's looking good for bulking but I haven't seen much else mentioned.
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Quite a few guys in caloric deficit used it. They gained only a couple lbs but lost a good deal of bf%.
There was evidence from studies that this would increase fat burning and results seem to support this.

Here is a quote from a log review that was started as a cut then shifted to a maintenance cal drive.
As you can see from this he gained 3lbs even in caloric deficit in week 1.
Weight gain overall was less than the guys eating more-3lbs vs 8-11lbs but still gained a few lbs while leaning out.
Not bad.

Week 1 Effects:
- Gained 3 lbs (201 lbs)
- More definition/looking leaner
- More endurance
- Better recovery
- Slightly increased libido

Week 2 Effects:
- Great endurance (either through muscular or nervous fatigue, because I'm barely taking breaks and still pulling off sets I couldn't do before and I don't feel mentally drained)
- Strong pumps (comparable to when I stacked ArA/Anabeta/Hemavol)
- More definition (I have been eating recomp style calories and my back/lower mid section/arms are becoming more defined.)
- Body weight increase has stopped (I'm sitting at 203 right now, up from 198 all the way back at the beginning of the log)

Week 3 Effects:
- Great endurance
- Increase in top-end strength (could be indirectly or directly related to increased endurance)
- Great Pumps
 
Jiigzz said:
Was this true over training? Or "brover training?"

;)
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I know overtraining is a widely argued theory.
There are a few things from my point of view to take into consideration.

1. Pro fighters who train for like 6 hours a day. I mean serious training that would have me winded in about 30 sec. PLus weight training and running etc.
Manny pacquiao is a good example. I think his heaviest weight for a fight had to be under 143lbs yet he talked about eating 10000 calories a day.
Just imagine 10k cals.

2. Endurance athleted like Lance Armstrong who also takes in 10000-13k calories and injects bone marrow into his meat for extra caloric intake.
These guys ride hundreds of miles a day while training. Often at altitude.

3. Olympic athletes who also train for many hours a day often with 1 or no days off..

Etc etc.

My theory, also based upon my personal experience favors Under eating, not over training.
When Im in even slight caloric deficit or low enough carbs to lean me out I over train quickly. I feel terrible with no drive to train if I go more than 2-3 days without a rest day.

Now...conversely, if Im eating 40+ ounces of meat and 700g -1000carbs a day + fats I can go for a week + and still want to train. Forced days off.
I dont think its a coincidence.

Undereating. Not overtraining.

Just my 2c.
 
brundel said:
I know overtraining is a widely argued theory.
There are a few things from my point of view to take into consideration.

1. Pro fighters who train for like 6 hours a day. I mean serious training that would have me winded in about 30 sec. PLus weight training and running etc.
Manny pacquiao is a good example. I think his heaviest weight for a fight had to be under 143lbs yet he talked about eating 10000 calories a day.
Just imagine 10k cals.

2. Endurance athleted like Lance Armstrong who also takes in 10000-13k calories and injects bone marrow into his meat for extra caloric intake.
These guys ride hundreds of miles a day while training. Often at altitude.

3. Olympic athletes who also train for many hours a day often with 1 or no days off..

Etc etc.

My theory, also based upon my personal experience favors Under eating, not over training.
When Im in even slight caloric deficit or low enough carbs to lean me out I over train quickly. I feel terrible with no drive to train if I go more than 2-3 days without a rest day.

Now...conversely, if Im eating 40+ ounces of meat and 700g -1000carbs a day + fats I can go for a week + and still want to train. Forced days off.
I dont think its a coincidence.

Undereating. Not overtraining.

Just my 2c.
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Oh, I'm aware it exists and those examples are exactly the circumstances in which it would occur. Its due to performing at near maximal intensity without adequate recovery for extended periods. Hence why these athletes will have periodization plans which don't have them peaking continuously over an extended period.

Agreed completely about under eating.

The reason why I asked is mostly because people confuse the terms or are not quite sure what true over training is but treat under recovery as though they are over training (take long periods off from the gym when all they need is more calories or time to adapt to increased demands).

Anyway, are the raws in yet?! :D
 
brundel said:
Quite a few guys in caloric deficit used it. They gained only a couple lbs but lost a good deal of bf%.
There was evidence from studies that this would increase fat burning and results seem to support this.

Here is a quote from a log review that was started as a cut then shifted to a maintenance cal drive.
As you can see from this he gained 3lbs even in caloric deficit in week 1.
Weight gain overall was less than the guys eating more-3lbs vs 8-11lbs but still gained a few lbs while leaning out.
Not bad.

Week 1 Effects:
- Gained 3 lbs (201 lbs)
- More definition/looking leaner
- More endurance
- Better recovery
- Slightly increased libido

Week 2 Effects:
- Great endurance (either through muscular or nervous fatigue, because I'm barely taking breaks and still pulling off sets I couldn't do before and I don't feel mentally drained)
- Strong pumps (comparable to when I stacked ArA/Anabeta/Hemavol)
- More definition (I have been eating recomp style calories and my back/lower mid section/arms are becoming more defined.)
- Body weight increase has stopped (I'm sitting at 203 right now, up from 198 all the way back at the beginning of the log)

Week 3 Effects:
- Great endurance
- Increase in top-end strength (could be indirectly or directly related to increased endurance)
- Great Pumps
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If it means anything, I gained an extra 2 lbs during a weigh in during week 2. I forget when during Week 2 I weighed in though, and I'd also like to add that it's stacked with Norco/AT2/Forskolin.

Also, coop posted recently that Follidrone might be beneficial during a cut in another thread that was posted a week or two ago.
 
The undereating theory only applies to exercise that uses oxidative phosphorylation since the prime predictor of performance is efficiency and storage. In weight training, one of the prime predictors of performance is CNS activity. Overtraining is indeed a CNS phenomenon, most muscular, but it is real.

This is observed in people who stay the same or even gain weight while training too vigorously. The side effects are all related to nervous system activity (baroreceptor -> orthostasis, amenorrhea and loss of sexual function, etc)

brundel said:
I know overtraining is a widely argued theory.
There are a few things from my point of view to take into consideration.

1. Pro fighters who train for like 6 hours a day. I mean serious training that would have me winded in about 30 sec. PLus weight training and running etc.
Manny pacquiao is a good example. I think his heaviest weight for a fight had to be under 143lbs yet he talked about eating 10000 calories a day.
Just imagine 10k cals.

2. Endurance athleted like Lance Armstrong who also takes in 10000-13k calories and injects bone marrow into his meat for extra caloric intake.
These guys ride hundreds of miles a day while training. Often at altitude.

3. Olympic athletes who also train for many hours a day often with 1 or no days off..

Etc etc.

My theory, also based upon my personal experience favors Under eating, not over training.
When Im in even slight caloric deficit or low enough carbs to lean me out I over train quickly. I feel terrible with no drive to train if I go more than 2-3 days without a rest day.

Now...conversely, if Im eating 40+ ounces of meat and 700g -1000carbs a day + fats I can go for a week + and still want to train. Forced days off.
I dont think its a coincidence.

Undereating. Not overtraining.

Just my 2c.
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mr.cooper69 said:
The undereating theory only applies to exercise that uses oxidative phosphorylation since the prime predictor of performance is efficiency and storage. In weight training, one of the prime predictors of performance is CNS activity. Overtraining is indeed a CNS phenomenon, most muscular, but it is real.

This is observed in people who stay the same or even gain weight while training too vigorously. The side effects are all related to nervous system activity (baroreceptor -> orthostasis, amenorrhea and loss of sexual function, etc)
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Could this be alleviated by eating more or is it simply a case of adequate rest recovery of CNS.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
The undereating theory only applies to exercise that uses oxidative phosphorylation since the prime predictor of performance is efficiency and storage. In weight training, one of the prime predictors of performance is CNS activity. Overtraining is indeed a CNS phenomenon, most muscular, but it is real. This is observed in people who stay the same or even gain weight while training too vigorously. The side effects are all related to nervous system activity (baroreceptor -> orthostasis, amenorrhea and loss of sexual function, etc)
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Hate to bring in nerve restore to this but I feel it's helped

I need to start taking days again. I'm feeling it.

Follidrone on the other hand I'll have a review up after I finish the tongkat
 
mr.cooper69 said:
The undereating theory only applies to exercise that uses oxidative phosphorylation since the prime predictor of performance is efficiency and storage. In weight training, one of the prime predictors of performance is CNS activity. Overtraining is indeed a CNS phenomenon, most muscular, but it is real. This is observed in people who stay the same or even gain weight while training too vigorously. The side effects are all related to nervous system activity (baroreceptor -> orthostasis, amenorrhea and loss of sexual function, etc)
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I agree that CNS fatigue plays a large part of "overtraining". I should have pointed out, (Im not re reading my prev post so forgive me if I restate) that along with adequate caloric intake, proper macronutrient %s and proper food source choice is important. Most importantly though and to tie what your saying into my point, its not too much training or -overtraining- its a lack of proper caloric intake and I guess I missed an important part- adequate rest. You can eat 90000000 calories but if you dont sleep things go to hell. The way to recover from CNS fatigue is rest days and plenty of sleep. I sleep 10 hours every night. Many studies have shown that deprivation of sleep negatively impacts your body by altering the amount of several hormones among other things: " Cortisol - releases too much. Cortisol is a catabolic stress hormone that increases abdominal fat storage and stimulates the breakdown of muscle tissue for use as energy. Too little sleep causes your body to release extra cortisol, thus storing extra body fat and breaking down extra muscle tissue. ---This is what your talking about Cooper.
Guys who are training hard but get fat.
Testosterone - lowers your body’s level. The higher your levels of testosterone, the more muscle you can build, but a lack of sleep lowers your body’s testosterone level. Human Growth Hormone (HGH) - limits your body’s production. During sleep, your body experiences a natural surge in HGH which helps build and maintain muscle. Thus, by missing out on this critical time of recovery, you limit your body’s production of HGH. Insulin - reduces your body’s uptake of important nutrients into your cells. Less sleep translates to higher insulin resistance levels, meaning your body needs to release higher-than-normal amounts of insulin to compensate, which can lead to excess fat storage, diabetes, or heart disease. In addition, increased insulin-resistance reduces your body’s uptake of important nutrients into your cells". So, while I agree that CNS fatigue is a large part of the story, it can be prevented with proper sleep and nutrition meaning that....if you eat enough and rest enough you can pretty much train as hard as you want. This of course applies to trained athletes. Noobies that dont train would fall apart quickly if they tried to train like an olympic athlete. Obviously. Proper diet Adequate sleep Train all you want. I might add....if your experiencing the signs of CNS fatigue meditation is a great way to start recovery and if utilized on a regular basis not only will CNS fatigue be in the rear view mirror but life as a whole will improve.
 
Jiigzz said:
Oh, I'm aware it exists and those examples are exactly the circumstances in which it would occur. Its due to performing at near maximal intensity without adequate recovery for extended periods. Hence why these athletes will have periodization plans which don't have them peaking continuously over an extended period.

Agreed completely about under eating.

The reason why I asked is mostly because people confuse the terms or are not quite sure what true over training is but treat under recovery as though they are over training (take long periods off from the gym when all they need is more calories or time to adapt to increased demands).

Anyway, are the raws in yet?! :D
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Yes sir. Ill be shipping to the manufacturer on Monday. Im unsure which one of them currently. It depends on who can get it done the fastest.
Soon though.
 
ma70 said:
If it means anything, I gained an extra 2 lbs during a weigh in during week 2. I forget when during Week 2 I weighed in though, and I'd also like to add that it's stacked with Norco/AT2/Forskolin.

Also, coop posted recently that Follidrone might be beneficial during a cut in another thread that was posted a week or two ago.
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It means alot actually. Thats 5lbs instead of 3 :)
It also means alot when you factor in your taking fat burners and thyroid stims. You should almost certainly be losing weight.
 
Jiigzz said:
Resting of the CNS
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Thanks mate. I do tend to suffer from this quite easily when in a prolonged calorie deprived state. At the moment I'm having rest days at the end of the week, after five consecutive days of training. A better approach might be to have a rest day every third day of training to allow the CNS to recover adequately between sessions.
 
brundel said:
Yes sir. Ill be shipping to the manufacturer on Monday. Im unsure which one of them currently. It depends on who can get it done the fastest.
Soon though.
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Hopefully enough raw to make many hundreds of bottles:). Please keep us posted on the ETA as I want to make sure I get a bottle....or 3 bottles:). Thanks
 
tre said:
Hopefully enough raw to make many hundreds of bottles:). Please keep us posted on the ETA as I want to make sure I get a bottle....or 3 bottles:). Thanks
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600. But thats not really alot.
500 sold out in a few days last time.

600 with 1000 coming behind it.
 
Mission1 said:
It's real. I'm noticing the same weight I was using last 6or 7 days ago is easier to handle now... Forcing me to increase the weight on the bar. Pump is As close to 10 as can be.
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Brundel must've put some superdrol in those tabs ;)
 
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