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KLEEN'S Corner - Where the Cool Kidz Kick It!

superbeast668 said:
dude you look swole as fuark in that vid. thanks for the talk through in some of the poses. might have to hit a few in the 'ol log. you look like you're leaning out big time. got veins everywhere now.
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Thanks Man! I am crushing it as hard as possible. I have been pounding calories to get the metabolism up and I think I am just now getting into my new maintenance calorie levels.
wasme said:
Googled this and can't find it.. do you have a pdf? ;)Strong session ...will be fun to see what you come up with each workout..
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It is in progress... :) Here is todays portion.

I went to the newer gym again it takes about 5 minutes longer to get there but they have some better selections on leg equipment and cardio stuff. So I made the drive over there to see what I could come up with for a nice leg workout. Since I have been babying my inner thigh area for a long time even when doing squats they have either been very light or just above parallel if much weight. Today I decided to go ahead and give myself a push on squats and see how well I fared.

Squats - Bar x25, 135x15, 225x10, 315x5, 365x5 - I contemplated another heavier set but I think I had pushed hard enough to really test the groin area. Plus surprisingly 365 was a relatively heavy 5 which tells me the layoff from squatting really effected my strength.

Front Squats - 185x10, 225x5, 245x5 - For any of you that follow my logs know I have a true dislike for this movement. Not because it is ineffective but because the way my shoulder girdle is shaped the bar always sits on my high clavicles or in my throat. Well I decided to roll up a towel and put it across the front of my collar bones so the bar would not kill it and started working my way up. I don't know that I have ever put 245 on the bar for a front squat so this was pretty good for me especially after squats.

Hack Squats Warm Up with weighted sissy squats 135x20 - 225x15, 315x10, 405x10 > burn out with weighted sissy squats 135x25 Holy Quads on Fire! Those weighted sissy squats are brutal!!! Love this Hack Squat machine too the foot platform is at the correct angle and the safety locks are up at the shoulders instead of low on the carriage which makes a huge difference.

SuperSet 4 rounds with no rest periods
Leg Ext 130x15, 130x15, 180x10, 180x10
Leg Curls 90x15, single legs 60x10/10, 60x10/10, 60x10/10 - Both my quads and hamstrings were full and toasty by the time this was over.

Standing Calve Raise machine - 225x15, 250x15, 250x12 great pump I forgot how good these felt not having one around for so long.
 
pete8407 said:
Damn! You crushed those wheels, great workout!
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Thanks Pete!
wasme said:
Looks like it was well worth that extra 5 minute drive.. awesome lift
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Absolutely, this gym has a few things I really like especially for legs. Plus the functional fitness section with all of the stuff for metabolic training.
Hyde said:
What they said! Nice hustle man; glad to see the groin wasn't totally inhibiting today
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Yeah and even better I do not have any kind of extra soreness in the effected area. I am going to keep going up and also work on my Front Squats. Now that I put the towel over my collar bones it is not excruciating to do. Just have to get the front delts used to the extra pressure on them.

Tonight I go work back. My right biceps is still giving me a fit so tonight I plan to do my back using some of these...

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Basically I will hook the ends to the lat pull down bar and or rowing bar and work my lats out that way. Not going to let the back day go by without being worked so this is the way I will work around it. Pulling / rowing with the elbows should really isolate the muscles of the back since the biceps and forearms can not assist. I may try to record a set or two just to show what I am doing to work around this issue.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Thanks Pete!

Absolutely, this gym has a few things I really like especially for legs. Plus the functional fitness section with all of the stuff for metabolic training.

Yeah and even better I do not have any kind of extra soreness in the effected area. I am going to keep going up and also work on my Front Squats. Now that I put the towel over my collar bones it is not excruciating to do. Just have to get the front delts used to the extra pressure on them.

Tonight I go work back. My right biceps is still giving me a fit so tonight I plan to do my back using some of these...

Basically I will hook the ends to the lat pull down bar and or rowing bar and work my lats out that way. Not going to let the back day go by without being worked so this is the way I will work around it. Pulling / rowing with the elbows should really isolate the muscles of the back since the biceps and forearms can not assist. I may try to record a set or two just to show what I am doing to work around this issue.
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Good way to work around your biceps master Kleen.
 
Good luck big guy!
 
Looking forward to see the results of the blood work. Crossing my fingers for good lipid levels!

Best of luck big guys
 
Thanks to all of you! I had low t bigtime. 142 my kidneys are what she expected after I told her I had strep in it. Just going to monitor it with the rest to make sure the level doesn't spike. I am on 150 a week to start. Can't tell you how happy I am. :) Oh and yes i alreadystarted tonight! I had a nice back workout tonight. Used the free motion cables and my ab straps. Got an amazing contraction, burn and pump!
 
Yayyyy! Congrats - glad you got what you needed my man. If you can't get it restarted w/ decent values, there's just no sense in putting it off. Time to keep your gains & blast more often :)
 
MrKleen73 said:
Thanks to all of you! I had low t bigtime. 142 my kidneys are what she expected after I told her I had strep in it. Just going to monitor it with the rest to make sure the level doesn't spike. I am on 150 a week to start. Can't tell you how happy I am. :) Oh and yes i alreadystarted tonight! I had a nice back workout tonight. Used the free motion cables and my ab straps. Got an amazing contraction, burn and pump!
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Will be watching your TRT protocol as my tests came back yesterday as well with a level of 220 (last 2 years it was 340). Feeling a little apprehensive about this but want my quality of life back!
 
kenpoengineer said:
Will be watching your TRT protocol as my tests came back yesterday as well with a level of 220 (last 2 years it was 340). Feeling a little apprehensive about this but want my quality of life back!
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Trust me I know what you mean. I couldn't wait to get started I got my first shot in last night. I figure with levels of 142 bumping me up to about 800-900 should make me feel like superman! Will also more than likely add some muscle to my frame over the course of the next 2 months while cals are high enough to support that. Then of course the fact I won't yoyo so much after a cycle. My HPTA sucking would make me lose a ton of what I gained so now the retention should be way better!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Trust me I know what you mean. I couldn't wait to get started I got my first shot in last night. I figure with levels of 142 bumping me up to about 800-900 should make me feel like superman! Will also more than likely add some muscle to my frame over the course of the next 2 months while cals are high enough to support that. Then of course the fact I won't yoyo so much after a cycle. My HPTA sucking would make me lose a ton of what I gained so now the retention should be way better!
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Dude! Is it possible that you could look sexier than you already do? Very excited to see what's to come!
 
Very cool chris. My guy shoots for ranges between 900-1300. I'm still waiting on my blood tests after my initial consult so we shall see. I'm due for a blood donation for sure. Still have another month I think to wait
 
1ifeblood said:
Dude! Is it possible that you could look sexier than you already do? Very excited to see what's to come!
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Nice! Yep I sure hope so!
1ifeblood said:
Thought I'd do it before anyone else did.
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No sloppy seconds for you eh...

Montego1 said:
Let's shoot for 1300 like me :)
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I sure hope so! She did tell me I could move up to 200 a week after the 4rth week if I felt I still needed to. I can tell already that I am going to feel like I need to! You do 200 a week to maintain your 1300 right?

bean5er said:
Very cool chris. My guy shoots for ranges between 900-1300. I'm still waiting on my blood tests after my initial consult so we shall see. I'm due for a blood donation for sure. Still have another month I think to wait
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Sweet if I get there maybe I can gain like you and Monte have since you all have been on! Has been impressive to watch!
 
Just curious but how did you guys know to get tested? I don't think my test is low at all, everything works really well still.
 
Well when it is low you will know because you lose motivation, your drive and focus wane. Sex becomes something your mind remembers fondly but your body could care less about. Also you yoyo extremely bad and do not keep any gains from cycles. The desire to want to go to the gym slips and you have to use discipline to get to the gym instead of pure desire to be in there.

I guess the best way to describe it would be like you are going through a bout of depression although you are not actually sad just completely blah.

Also a lot of guys would just rather not have the ups and downs so they go get tested right after a cycle before PCT when they know they will be low so they can get on and do the cruise blast cruise thing.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Well when it is low you will know because you lose motivation, your drive and focus wane. Sex becomes something your mind remembers fondly but your body could care less about. Also you yoyo extremely bad and do not keep any gains from cycles. The desire to want to go to the gym slips and you have to use discipline to get to the gym instead of pure desire to be in there. I guess the best way to describe it would be like you are going through a bout of depression although you are not actually sad just completely blah. Also a lot of guys would just rather not have the ups and downs so they go get tested right after a cycle before PCT when they know they will be low so they can get on and do the cruise blast cruise thing.
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Thank you, I was wondering that. Yea I don't think I'm there yet.
 
Congrats Chris.. I'm going to have to look into this.. alot of what you just said - I seem to go through.
 
I know I'm extremely young concerning all this, but understanding what I know now concerning the advent of andropause, the cumulative effects of hpta suppression via cycling, etc, I've come to believe that I'll most certainly get TRT at some point in my life. If I never lift another weight, never do another workout, I'd still want to have decent test levels, mood, libido, drive in my 40s & on. And from a cycling standpoint that's how the gains can really be accrued.

But I may have a family over the next decade, so I'm kind of forced to wait & do it the slow way for the foreseeable future. I'm not even sure I want kids, but that door needs to stay open as long as possible. I'm thinking at least 30.
 
So if you get TRT you can't have kids? Did I read that wrong? Not like I need anymore, my twins fuking run my house:)
 
pete8407 said:
So if you get TRT you can't have kids? Did I read that wrong? Not like I need anymore, my twins fuking run my house:)
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It could effect swimmers. Nothing definite and certain. (branch warren had a kid not long ago and he's a walking bottle of test. Still, better safe then sorry.
 
pete8407 said:
So if you get TRT you can't have kids? Did I read that wrong? Not like I need anymore, my twins fuking run my house:)
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I'm still learning, here is a useful forum and there are threads about having kids:
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kenpoengineer said:
I'm still learning, here is a useful forum and there are threads about having kids:
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Thanks for posting this kenpo. As I get up there in age as well, I am getting more and more curious about TRT, etc. I had blood work done about 18 months ago, but it was taken @ 8am and my test/free test etc scored rather high - which I do not believe just from other aspects of my life (mental/physicial)
 
No you can have children on TRT, you get on HCG and clomid and typically pretty good to go. That is why you still see pro bodybuilders having kids. That being said I am sure it doesn't work for everyone, but plenty.
 
superbeast668 said:
It could effect swimmers. Nothing definite and certain. (branch warren had a kid not long ago and he's a walking bottle of test. Still, better safe then sorry.
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Yes but it is very dependent on the individual as well. I know dudes who had kids while o. All sorts of **** and then myself who couldn't.
If kids are wanted I'd stay on 500-1000 iu's a week and keep test around 150. I would also get a semen analysis b4 hand to see what you're working with.

MrKleen73 said:
No you can have children on TRT, you get on HCG and clomid and typically pretty good to go. That is why you still see pro bodybuilders having kids. That being said I am sure it doesn't work for everyone, but plenty.
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Yes bottom line you can (most times) also remember some of these pros have a **** ton more money than us to spend on conceiving. It also has a lot to do with the fertility of the female as well. It's honestly a miracle so many people get pregnant in the first place. A lot has to line up etc.

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No you are correct for certain. Money is a consideration and of course anyone could be one of the people with issues that could make it impossible. However you can pretty much be assured that if the gear is the only factor out of whack it is pretty much just as hit or miss as people who have never touched them trying to get preganant. Some people it is accidental, some try forever before succeeding, and some never can, I am sure those statistics carry over pretty equally to those who try while on TRT using the HCG and Clomid protocol.
 
Was able to see Kleen for a little while last night and damn he looked fantastic. Definition all over the place and lean omg. Keep up the great work brotha.
 
Onlychevy6 said:
Was able to see Kleen for a little while last night and damn he looked fantastic. Definition all over the place and lean omg. Keep up the great work brotha.
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Thanks Jeff!

pete8407 said:
Nice!!!! Progress pics!?
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This coming weekend I do believe.

I am big right now, between adding in the TRT dose, and my carbs going up again last week I really filled up. Then you add that to the epic free meal I had yesterday and you have a KLEEN MONSTER that woke up over 211 lbs this morning. I think when Jeff saw me I had some extra size on me from 3 days of 200-310g carbs per day. However I quickly added about 5 lbs after my free meal with the Cinnabon Waffles we made! Either way this week is a carb increase only with no increase in fats. I should clean up a bit by Friday or Saturday when I take the pictures. However this week is the first week I feel like I added a little fat. Not a big deal though as we are trying to get calories up so that is too be expected. Yet if I have not cleaned up I may end up staying at current cals for another week or so.
 
Congrats on the trt big guy
 
MrKleen73 said:
Thanks Jeff!

This coming weekend I do believe.

I am big right now, between adding in the TRT dose, and my carbs going up again last week I really filled up. Then you add that to the epic free meal I had yesterday and you have a KLEEN MONSTER that woke up over 211 lbs this morning. I think when Jeff saw me I had some extra size on me from 3 days of 200-310g carbs per day. However I quickly added about 5 lbs after my free meal with the Cinnabon Waffles we made! Either way this week is a carb increase only with no increase in fats. I should clean up a bit by Friday or Saturday when I take the pictures. However this week is the first week I feel like I added a little fat. Not a big deal though as we are trying to get calories up so that is too be expected. Yet if I have not cleaned up I may end up staying at current cals for another week or so.
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At 211 you are officially bigger den meh :( damn it
 
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