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KLEEN'S Corner - Where the Cool Kidz Kick It!

Montego1 said:
At 211 you are officially bigger den meh :( damn it
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I feel you - I'm now sitting at 207 as well, & only gonna get smaller in the near future unfortunately. I'm only dropping fat, but it's still a lil sad watching the scale go down (even though I need it too).

Congrats Kleen, on contracting Swoliosis!
 
tyga tyga said:
That's awesome you finally got the TRT kleen.
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Thanks Tyga has been a long time coming!
Danb2285 said:
Congrats on the trt big guy
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Thanks Dan!
Montego1 said:
At 211 you are officially bigger den meh :( damn it
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I am back down to 208.6 as of this morning... Like I said i had spilled over some. Definitely started growing though!
wasme said:
I thought Kleen said he was always bigger than you?? Oh wait your not talking about the same thing...
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LOL
pete8407 said:
I saw the pic of those Cinnabon waffles! They looked amazing!
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Yeah they were pretty damn amazing!
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Hyde said:
I feel you - I'm now sitting at 207 as well, & only gonna get smaller in the near future unfortunately. I'm only dropping fat, but it's still a lil sad watching the scale go down (even though I need it too).

Congrats Kleen, on contracting Swoliosis!
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Thanks!

So as I said I dropped some weight overnight. I am at 208.6 now and still dropping. I think this will probably have me at a pretty lean 206 by the time I finish cleaning up. All that we are going up on this week is 25g of carbs per day. So hopefully that slows things down enough I still clean up by the end of the week or this will be my last increase for a little bit.
 
Today was another Leg Day. I decided to go ahead and push the squatting more.

Squats 45x25, 135x15, 225x12, 315x5, 405x3 - Very Happy with this. I had at least one more in me but I did not have a spotter so it was best that I put it up.

Front Squats - 225x5, 245x5, 275x5 PR LIKE A MOFO!!!! - One good thing I am noticing is that increasing the size of my medial delts has made this exercise much easier on me.

Hack Squats 135x25 weighted sissy squat, 225x15, 315x12, 405 x5 reps & a 45 second hold above parallel on last rep. - Quads were pumped like crazy!!!!

Leg Press - 450x20, 630x12, 810x8 - Legs were toast this leg press has a steeper incline than I am used to so I had to work harder of course it could have just been that I was crushing it.


Okay so today was a great leg day with an impressive PR for me. Now I am really just picking the Front Squats up basically mid stride but I did not expect to be able to front squat 275 x5 any time soon so that is pretty amazing to me. Plus for some reason now my hips seem to really like the front squat and open up very nicely in the bottom of the squats...
 
MrKleen73 said:
Today was another Leg Day. I decided to go ahead and push the squatting more. Squats 45x25, 135x15, 225x12, 315x5, 405x3 - Very Happy with this. I had at least one more in me but I did not have a spotter so it was best that I put it up. Front Squats - 225x5, 245x5, 275x5 PR LIKE A MOFO!!!! - One good thing I am noticing is that increasing the size of my medial delts has made this exercise much easier on me. Hack Squats 135x25 weighted sissy squat, 225x15, 315x12, 405 x5 reps & a 45 second hold above parallel on last rep. - Quads were pumped like crazy!!!! Leg Press - 450x20, 630x12, 810x8 - Legs were toast this leg press has a steeper incline than I am used to so I had to work harder of course it could have just been that I was crushing it. Okay so today was a great leg day with an impressive PR for me. Now I am really just picking the Front Squats up basically mid stride but I did not expect to be able to front squat 275 x5 any time soon so that is pretty amazing to me. Plus for some reason now my hips seem to really like the front squat and open up very nicely in the bottom of the squats...
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Nice leg day. I've noticed the same with fronts. I have to work my ass off to get depth on a back squat. Fronts I don't stop going down until I feel my heels in my crack.
 
Thanks! Yeah now that i figured out how to make them more comfortable on my collar bones I am really beginning to like the movement more.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Thanks! Yeah now that i figured out how to make them more comfortable on my collar bones I am really beginning to like the movement more.
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I'm actually considering trying the snatch grip with straps to help a little. I hate feeling like I'm choking with the barbell in my neck.
 
superbeast668 said:
I'm actually considering trying the snatch grip with straps to help a little. I hate feeling like I'm choking with the barbell in my neck.
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Yeah for me the biggest thing is rolling up the towel and putting it across the front of my body going over my collar bones and traps, then I set up on the false grip and just put my finger tips around the bar to hold it back from rolling into my throat... TADA! Like I said some of this also has to do with my delts being thicker too, but the biggest part is the knurls not resting directly on my collar bone...

pete8407 said:
Damn! You killed those legs!! Nice workout and congrats on that badass PR!!!!
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Thanks Pete!
tyga tyga said:
Dem front squats doe
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Yeah I am quite impressed with this. I could never get it right before and last week it just came together for me. This week I noticed my drop into the bucket was easier than it has ever been on a back squats. My hips open up, knees go out to the side and everything just feels like it is in the right place. I wouldn't expect to hit 275 any time soon but the 245 went so easy I had to see what I could do with 275. I now have a new goal of front squatting 315x3. I don't know if I will get that before I start my prep or not but it is now my official Front Squat goal.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah for me the biggest thing is rolling up the towel and putting it across the front of my body going over my collar bones and traps, then I set up on the false grip and just put my finger tips around the bar to hold it back from rolling into my throat... TADA! Like I said some of this also has to do with my delts being thicker too, but the biggest part is the knurls not resting directly on my collar bone...

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Make that sound simple.. I have a problem getting down deep on a front squat.
 
wasme said:
Make that sound simple.. I have a problem getting down deep on a front squat.
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I find I need almost a sumo stance for the front squat, definitely a little wider stance than my back squat. So I go wide here and then closer for the sweep on the hacks...
 
MrKleen73 said:
I find I need almost a sumo stance for the front squat, definitely a little wider stance than my back squat. So I go wide here and then closer for the sweep on the hacks...
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This. For sure this. I thought my back stance was wide till I figured out my front form.
 
superbeast668 said:
This. For sure this. I thought my back stance was wide till I figured out my front form.
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Okay so it isn't just me. The difference is unreal... I honestly think if it stays like this and my shoulders keep growing my front squat could get up over 405 in a year or so.
wasme said:
Thanks will give that a try next time.
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Definitely Simon give it a shot I have to say the difference is unreal it goes from being completely unnatural to just naturally lowering yourself into the bucket.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Okay so it isn't just me. The difference is unreal... I honestly think if it stays like this and my shoulders keep growing my front squat could get up over 405 in a year or so.

Definitely Simon give it a shot I have to say the difference is unreal it goes from being completely unnatural to just naturally lowering yourself into the bucket.
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i wouldnt be surprised. quite honestly the second time i front squatted and figured out the form i shot up to 225 for a 5 set, no kleen numbers, but i'll take it for not really doing it except on a smith rack with a stupid narrow stance. race to 405?! :-D
 
superbeast668 said:
i wouldnt be surprised. quite honestly the second time i front squatted and figured out the form i shot up to 225 for a 5 set, no kleen numbers, but i'll take it for not really doing it except on a smith rack with a stupid narrow stance. race to 405?! :-D
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Is that an official challenge? I will take that bet and i don't even know what your front squat max is. Hmmmm.... then again maybe not! I am not sure if taking on a Beast such as yourself in a strength challenge when I am about to start prep is the most brilliant idea I could have. Then again if I know Matty he is gonna keep my carbs up there pretty good so my strength does not tank on me.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Is that an official challenge? I will take that bet and i don't even know what your front squat max is. Hmmmm.... then again maybe not! I am not sure if taking on a Beast such as yourself in a strength challenge when I am about to start prep is the most brilliant idea I could have. Then again if I know Matty he is gonna keep my carbs up there pretty good so my strength does not tank on me.
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Lol 225x5. I'm actually 50 lighter but any push is good push right?
 
Absolutely, we can make it a friendly wager if you want too. Just for the fun of it.
 
Nice work Kleen!

Fronts are weird. I can be pretty strong both close stance & wide, although obv wider & shallower is gonna be stronger than close & ATG. I can squat ATG with a wide front, but that puts a lot of stress on the inner thighs (adductor?), so that's something to mind if you're maxing out. I'd really make sure my hip flexors & adductors were warmed like crazy before I'd max.

I think I'm at 275x5 on fronts as of the other month. My best is 335 deep & 350 shallow (which absolutely killed me for like 3 days). I wonder where I'm at currently.

You guys ever try a squat safety bar?? Geez is it tough. The bar is heavier to start with, sits up high, is tough to balance, & works your back HARD.
 
I bought a safety squat bar at xmas this year.. I like it, but you are right Hyde has a whole different feel to it.
 
superbeast668 said:
What's the time frame and wager? :-D.
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Well if it is a race to a 405 Front Squat the time frame is not really of any consequence. Just whoever gets there but I say we make it interesting and give ourselves no more than 1 year to achieve the goal. If at the end of the year neither of us have hit a 405 Front squat we have to do a Video Squat off... where you pick a weight and do it on video then I match or surpass it on video until one of us can't one up the other.

Wager I don't know toss an idea out there.
Hyde said:
Nice work Kleen!

Fronts are weird. I can be pretty strong both close stance & wide, although obv wider & shallower is gonna be stronger than close & ATG. I can squat ATG with a wide front, but that puts a lot of stress on the inner thighs (adductor?), so that's something to mind if you're maxing out. I'd really make sure my hip flexors & adductors were warmed like crazy before I'd max.

I think I'm at 275x5 on fronts as of the other month. My best is 335 deep & 350 shallow (which absolutely killed me for like 3 days). I wonder where I'm at currently.

You guys ever try a squat safety bar?? Geez is it tough. The bar is heavier to start with, sits up high, is tough to balance, & works your back HARD.
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wasme said:
I bought a safety squat bar at xmas this year.. I like it, but you are right Hyde has a whole different feel to it.
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Yeah it definitely got my adductors but that is good I haven't developed them nearly enough. A ton of your leg size comes from there and I know I have another 2-3 inches in leg size just hiding in that untapped region.

No I have never used a safety squat bar but would like it. I did use to use a Manta Ray which placed the bar much higher on the traps it snapped onto the bar then you put it on top of your traps and it keeps everything more center lined. Was sopissed when that bad boy got stolen. It was the only way I could squat and get my quads sore. However I can feel a tiny bit of soreness in them today from the Front Squats.

I get to take my 2nd TRT shot tonight. Should be feeling pretty good come tomorrow, each shot s going to ramp up my levels over the next couple weeks. I am already feeling a little better from it. Suddenly having test ofter so long I have been getting random wood here and there. Yippee teenage problems!!! I'll take it...

Tonight I am working Back, going to do some isolations first then start working on the compounds once my back is pre-exhausted.
 
A squat off it is I like that idea! No need for wager I guess just the race. Glad to hear the TRT is doing it for you.
 
Of course the squat off would be done via Front Squats since that is the challenge. So do we race to 405 and if no one gets it with in a year we do the squat off or do you want to do something like pick a date in the future that gives us a chance to work on it and then we do the squat off starting on that date? If so I am thinking near Christmas at the earliest because I am going to need to recover some from my contest prep.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Of course the squat off would be done via Front Squats since that is the challenge. So do we race to 405 and if no one gets it with in a year we do the squat off or do you want to do something like pick a date in the future that gives us a chance to work on it and then we do the squat off starting on that date? If so I am thinking near Christmas at the earliest because I am going to need to recover some from my contest prep.
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I think Christmas is reasonable. It's not like almost 200lbs added to one lift is gonna happen by July :-D. I'll be coming off juice totally for a few months anyways soon so it'll be like a contest prep for me lol.
 
wasme said:
No dresses this time?
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I'm thinking the wager should be loser buys 3 months Stimul8 for the winner. Just don't want to see either one in a dress!!! Nono!
 
superbeast668 said:
I think Christmas is reasonable. It's not like almost 200lbs added to one lift is gonna happen by July :-D. I'll be coming off juice totally for a few months anyways soon so it'll be like a contest prep for me lol.
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Sounds good, you wanna do Christmas or like a week after the new year so holiday schedules don't mess with it?
wasme said:
No dresses this time?
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Not sure we haven't discussed the wage yet. Since we are both bald and built I say the loser makes a video of themselves dressed up as a baby calling the other Daddy! Hmmm I really don't know what a good one would be. However it wont involve going to the gym in a dress. I crash dieted and messed with my metabolism to avoid the dress last time. Don't want to be doing stupid things this time to avoid that mess. LOL
kenpoengineer said:
I'm thinking the wager should be loser buys 3 months Stimul8 for the winner. Just don't want to see either one in a dress!!! Nono!
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SHEESH MAN! How did we get to monetary measures... I don't even bet money on sure things definitely not going to bet it on a 50/50 shot... No worries though ain't gonna be no dresses. now diapers and baby bonnets I can't promise. LMAO

wasme said:
I dunno.. I think Kleen could pull off a nice pair of pumps lol
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Oh yeah that would be kind of scary my big diamond calves in full on flex mode with every step... YIKES
 
MrKleen73 said:
Sounds good, you wanna do Christmas or like a week after the new year so holiday schedules don't mess with it? Not sure we haven't discussed the wage yet. Since we are both bald and built I say the loser makes a video of themselves dressed up as a baby calling the other Daddy! Hmmm I really don't know what a good one would be. However it wont involve going to the gym in a dress. I crash dieted and messed with my metabolism to avoid the dress last time. Don't want to be doing stupid things this time to avoid that mess. LOL SHEESH MAN! How did we get to monetary measures... I don't even bet money on sure things definitely not going to bet it on a 50/50 shot... No worries though ain't gonna be no dresses. now diapers and baby bonnets I can't promise. LMAO Oh yeah that would be kind of scary my big diamond calves in full on flex mode with every step... YIKES
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January 5th! We'll still have holiday food strength! Lol
 
Woah woah woah! This diapers and baby bonnet idea has promise..
 
superbeast668 said:
January 5th! We'll still have holiday food strength! Lol
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Sounds good!
Montego1 said:
Woah woah woah! This diapers and baby bonnet idea has promise..
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Haha, not set in stone on that just yet. LOL May be needing some of your glutamine come late December... LOL
wasme said:
I was just thinking that.. but they must drink there intra from a baby bottle lol
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Not gonna happen. LMAO!!!!


Okay now on to the real biz baby!

Last night I went at back pretty hard. I was very careful in my progression of weight to not hurt my biceps. Made sure I was always pulling with my elbow and leaving my hands just as hooks to hold the handles. Definitey smashed the weights and may have had a PR on Wide Grip Pull downs. I can not remember going to 300 before for full ROM pull downs.

HS High Rows 45x25, 90x10, 135x10, 160x6, 160x6, 160x6 - Weights are per side and weight only felt pretty good here!

HS MTS Dorian Rows - 60x15, 80x10, 100x10, 120x6, 130x1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1 - Weights are per side - Last set was done with 10 second pause between each single except for the 2 I accidentally did in a row.

Single Arm Cable Lat Pull Down - 75x10/10, 90x10/10, 90x10/10, 105x6/6 - Focus here is lower lats, really squeezing in the bottom!

Wide Grip Lat Pull Down - 150x15, 190x12, 210x10, 250x10, 300x9 <<< PR I think I really believe that the 300x9 is a PR either way it felt great. I could feel the biceps issue a little by the end though... nothing bad just could feel it.

Rear Delt Reverse Cable Flies - 20x25, 35x20, 35x20 - weight per side had a nice burn worked through a few different angles too.

Single Arm Face Pulls - 35x15, 15, 15, 15 - This was great I was able to really turn away and maximize the ROM on this one really isolating the rear delts...

DB Shoulder Shrugs 60x60 - I just strapped up for 1 set of as many full shrugs as I could muster. I wanted to stop at 50, and 55 forget it but I pushed for 60 and just barely got there. My traps looked like massive blocks sitting on top of my shoulder girdle.

I am not sure how many doses of Tren Dev I have left but I am going to go ahead and run it all the way through then switch up to Osta or LGD Sarm until I get my blood work done.

By the way as far as progress goes I am sitting at 207.5 as of this morning, & I still have my abs. I am getting crazy thick but my waist is getting a little bigger trying to get all this food in. I am finally up to a pretty respectable and surprising caloric level. I get one day at 2900, 3 days at 3300, and 3 days at 3500 this is a lot of food keeping it pretty clean. I have a feeling I am going to put on a decent amount of size in the coming 6 weeks... the almost immediate change in how full I am staying since the TRT shot is surprising to say the least.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Sounds good!

Haha, not set in stone on that just yet. LOL May be needing some of your glutamine come late December... LOL

Not gonna happen. LMAO!!!!

Okay now on to the real biz baby!

Last night I went at back pretty hard. I was very careful in my progression of weight to not hurt my biceps. Made sure I was always pulling with my elbow and leaving my hands just as hooks to hold the handles. Definitey smashed the weights and may have had a PR on Wide Grip Pull downs. I can not remember going to 300 before for full ROM pull downs.

HS High Rows 45x25, 90x10, 135x10, 160x6, 160x6, 160x6 - Weights are per side and weight only felt pretty good here!

HS MTS Dorian Rows - 60x15, 80x10, 100x10, 120x6, 130x1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1 - Weights are per side - Last set was done with 10 second pause between each single except for the 2 I accidentally did in a row.

Single Arm Cable Lat Pull Down - 75x10/10, 90x10/10, 90x10/10, 105x6/6 - Focus here is lower lats, really squeezing in the bottom!

Wide Grip Lat Pull Down - 150x15, 190x12, 210x10, 250x10, 300x9 <<< PR I think I really believe that the 300x9 is a PR either way it felt great. I could feel the biceps issue a little by the end though... nothing bad just could feel it.

Rear Delt Reverse Cable Flies - 20x25, 35x20, 35x20 - weight per side had a nice burn worked through a few different angles too.

Single Arm Face Pulls - 35x15, 15, 15, 15 - This was great I was able to really turn away and maximize the ROM on this one really isolating the rear delts...

DB Shoulder Shrugs 60x60 - I just strapped up for 1 set of as many full shrugs as I could muster. I wanted to stop at 50, and 55 forget it but I pushed for 60 and just barely got there. My traps looked like massive blocks sitting on top of my shoulder girdle.

I am not sure how many doses of Tren Dev I have left but I am going to go ahead and run it all the way through then switch up to Osta or LGD Sarm until I get my blood work done.

By the way as far as progress goes I am sitting at 207.5 as of this morning, & I still have my abs. I am getting crazy thick but my waist is getting a little bigger trying to get all this food in. I am finally up to a pretty respectable and surprising caloric level. I get one day at 2900, 3 days at 3300, and 3 days at 3500 this is a lot of food keeping it pretty clean. I have a feeling I am going to put on a decent amount of size in the coming 6 weeks... the almost immediate change in how full I am staying since the TRT shot is surprising to say the least.
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Just lemme know.
 
Hmm i havent heard of LGD Sarm. But Ive been reading Osta is a really great bridge between cycles. Dude those routines are ridiculous. At 2900-3500 calories, hitting routines that are that volume intense, it's no wonder you are keeping your abs and while putting on some quality size.

Ever consider secretagogues? GHRP's, Ipam, or semorelin? STack it with Mod grf 1-29? IM thinking adding this in will allow you to continue put on quality size even if you need to take a break from HRT. Also it "may" help with the bicep injury. I know semorelin you can get prescribed as an anti-aging med along with the HRT.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Hmm i havent heard of LGD Sarm. But Ive been reading Osta is a really great bridge between cycles. Dude those routines are ridiculous. At 2900-3500 calories, hitting routines that are that volume intense, it's no wonder you are keeping your abs and while putting on some quality size.

Ever consider secretagogues? GHRP's, Ipam, or semorelin? STack it with Mod grf 1-29? IM thinking adding this in will allow you to continue put on quality size even if you need to take a break from HRT. Also it "may" help with the bicep injury. I know semorelin you can get prescribed as an anti-aging med along with the HRT.
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I may talk to the Doc about that one. I have used them before. I actually have 3 bottles of DES 1'3 and 3 bottles of MGF I was thinking of starting them and pinning directly into the injured area and of course in the same area on the other arm as well. If I am going to do that I need to order some HBCD's to really take advantage of it.
 
Osta bridge isn't Osta suppressive, maybe the dose is low for bridge to avoid this.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Osta bridge isn't Osta suppressive, maybe the dose is low for bridge to avoid this.
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Yes Osta is suppressive at higher doses but I just started TRT last week so I don't have to worry about suppression any longer! WooHoo!!!! Already feeling much better having a little bit of test in my system.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah makes more sense I guess. I think Chris is just going to use it to extend his cycle though.
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Yes Sir just looking for something that isn't going to flub up my lipids or liver values. As soon as we get some STR3NGTH in I will be running some of that until after the next blood pull then I start my methyls.
 
If I remember correctly Osta is actually beneficial for your lipid profile. Also Niacin is used to increase HDL. It also has been show to decrease LDL. ALong with some fish oil and you have a pretty potent lipid stack.

Being on TRT the big factors to look into are lipid health and prostate health. Looking out for you liver never hearts but lipids and prostate are usually the big reasons why people are taken off. That and polycythemia which may cause hypertension.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
If I remember correctly Osta is actually beneficial for your lipid profile. Also Niacin is used to increase HDL. It also has been show to decrease LDL. ALong with some fish oil and you have a pretty potent lipid stack.

Being on TRT the big factors to look into are lipid health and prostate health. Looking out for you liver never hearts but lipids and prostate are usually the big reasons why people are taken off. That and polycythemia which may cause hypertension.
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Yeah these are things I am watching for myself. My cholesterol is like 163 but I am not sure what the LDL/HDL ratio is. My BP never even went over 85/140 even on SD so I would be pretty surprised. My Hematocrit is 49 right now so I am getting ready to need to go to the blood bank and donate some of this high RBC
action. Definitely will before I go back.
I am definitely going to get some anti-flush Niacin and see if that helps out. Right now I am taking 3 iForce Heart Help a day to keep things looking good. On top of that I am getting in 200mg of TUDCA a day too which also helps with HDL production. Once the androgens are lower my lipids should be good to go, and my PSA was well within the normal range so I don't foresee any reason for them to pull me off.

Now I will be point blank honest with her when I go back for more bloods after running the methyls and let her know I am getting ready for a show and some of my levels may be off from the methyls but that is only temporary. However for this first assessment I want to make sure I don't do anything stupid that gets me taken off.
 
405 front is a lot....I'm in though :) This, of course, means I will at some point have to spend some time training these religiously lol
 
I'm in too. I have yet to do front squats, but I'll start tomorrow.

305 by the end of the year!

:)
 
wasme said:
Smart move Chris
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Thank you Sir! Now like I mentioned earlier as soon as we get our STR3NGTH back in stock I will be running that as it is not going to cause any problems.
Hyde said:
405 front is a lot....I'm in though :) This, of course, means I will at some point have to spend some time training these religiously lol
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Yep obviously when this became the bit it is going to become my main quad exercise then will probably add in deads for the posterior chain! :head:
RegisterJr said:
I'm in too. I have yet to do front squats, but I'll start tomorrow.

305 by the end of the year!

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You in for 305 or 405? If 305 just go for the 3 big wheels and make it epic at 315! Now obviously of not 405 you wont be able to participate in the squat off.

superbeast668 said:
Oooh a 3some
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Looks like a quad to me now.
 
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