Triazole or Formeron

Jon2787

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Hi All,

I am looking for something OTC to help with gyno. Im not going down the letro route due to sides.

Anyone know what my best options would be? Im torn between Triazole and Formeron after lots of research.

Goal - reduce gyno, reduce puffy nips and have a bit of a test boost. Also looking to stay away from anything that may cause hairloss.

Thanks!!!
 
kisaj said:
Formeron all the way.
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Absolutely use formeron. Triazole is good but not even close to comparing to formeron.
 
Jon2787 said:
What makes formeron better?? Ive heard that formeron can cause hairloss..is this correct??
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Anything that has effects on your hormones can potentially affect hair loss if your predisposed.

That being said I experience no issues with using formeron and hair-loss.
 
I could post that it made my hair grow and it would be about the same. The fact is it is OTC and it works great.
 
How does Formeron stack up against Letro, and how does it stack up against high doses of erase (100mg+)?
 
ion26 said:
How does Formeron stack up against Letro, and how does it stack up against high doses of erase (100mg+)?
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Assuming Formeron is Formestane = should work better than any other OTC AI if dosed properly (100-200mg/day TD version).

Form doesnt even compare to Letro. Nothing does.
 
fueledpassion said:
Assuming Formeron is Formestane = should work better than any other OTC AI if dosed properly (100-200mg/day TD version). Form doesnt even compare to Letro. Nothing does.
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You think formestane and erase together would be enough of an estro blocker along with inhibit P for prolactin on a Trenavar cycle. Then Nolva/Formestane/erase/inhibit P on PCT
 
ion26 said:
You think formestane and erase together would be enough of an estro blocker along with inhibit P for prolactin on a Trenavar cycle. Then Nolva/Formestane/erase/inhibit P on PCT
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Yes. And no need for the erase in my opinion.
 
Formeron at 2 pumps per day will = 150mg.
Its the best OTC AI available.
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ion26 said:
A bit off topic. Would stanodrol be affected by Formestane, because of its DHT blocking properties?
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Formestane doesnt "block" DHT.
It can work as a mild 5 alpha reductase inhibitor and therefore can potentially lower DHT levels but it doesnt block its action or the action of any DHT derivatives.
 
brundel said:
Formestane doesnt "block" DHT.
It can work as a mild 5 alpha reductase inhibitor and therefore can potentially lower DHT levels but it doesnt block its action or the action of any DHT derivatives.
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It would increase potency of trenbolone according to anabolic pharmacology by Seth roberts
 
ion26 said:
You think formestane and erase together would be enough of an estro blocker along with inhibit P for prolactin on a Trenavar cycle. Then Nolva/Formestane/erase/inhibit P on PCT
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We also have a fantastic prolactin product. Multiple bloodwork results to validate its use as well as tons of internal testing.
I take only half of 1 cap per day and my prolactin is 5.
On cycle or PCT you can go up to 3 caps but take it with food. Its strong stuff.
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brundel said:
We also have a fantastic prolactin product. Multiple bloodwork results to validate its use as well as tons of internal testing.
I take only half of 1 cap per day and my prolactin is 5.
On cycle or PCT you can go up to 3 caps but take it with food. Its strong stuff.
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Serious? Not that the EGCG dose in prolactrone is even remotely close to that necessary for physiological enzymatic inhibition, but taking EGCG with food results in non-covalent crosslinking and deactivation of the catechins (Invalid Link Removed, read discussion). This product should be taken without food, period.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Serious? Not that the EGCG dose in prolactrone is even remotely close to that necessary for physiological enzymatic inhibition, but taking EGCG with food results in non-covalent crosslinking and deactivation of the catechins (Invalid Link Removed, read discussion). This product should be taken without food, period.
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Sounds good but in real life application it works fantastic when taken with food.
One of the original testers had gastro issues during testing so he started taking it with food.
3 caps per day- 1x 3 daily with meals kept his PRL managed when running 750mg trenbolone.

Me personally, I take mine with food. May last bloodwork when running an ..offending compound was 5.
Perhaps the 99% Ldopa is enough to get the job done on its own.

Cool studies but I assure you it works fine with food.

Keep in mind my company actually tests our products and runs bloodwork to ensure they work properly.
 
Speaking of bloodwork and proof.

Are there any...even 1 human study or oral study showing the new erase works as an AI?
Is there ANY proof at all? Because as you know a pitri study doesnt mean anything. Great place to start perhaps but bioavailability and effect are seriously questionable at best.

Or was there some internal testing done.

Can we see the test results? Pretty please.
 
I've seen your posts bashing PES to no end in your forum. That's fine. At times I've wanted to respond, but I've been told not to comment because this isn't the game we play. There are so many things I could say, not about PES, but about statement after statement that you make over there, but out of respect, I keep my mouth shut. I'd hope you'd recognize this and do the same.

Thanks.

P.S.: This post here was not intended as a full-on insult as you often do towards us. I was just correcting your dosing (and despite your reply, I'm still quite right).

That'll be the last I have to comment on the matter. You did the same thing to SNS when I was with them, and it seems to be a trend. For every response I give, you'll have another insult. No point dragging this out, so I'll just end it now and step away.
 
brundel said:
Formestane doesnt "block" DHT.
It can work as a mild 5 alpha reductase inhibitor and therefore can potentially lower DHT levels but it doesnt block its action or the action of any DHT derivatives.
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Hi Brundel, I been taking your product for a little over 2 months and love it, its helped my estrogen level better then arimidex IMO. I don't do steroids, (I used to when I was younger) I'm 45 and I'm looking for potent OTC products that work. I have a question, I used to take Toco 8 by primordial performance, since the feds shut him down, I can't get anything close to that product, it did wonders for my hair...are you or would you be interested in making a product similar to that? I'm sure anything that helps hair is a homerun business wise.
 
dondon said:
Hi Brundel, I been taking your product for a little over 2 months and love it, its helped my estrogen level better then arimidex IMO. I don't do steroids, (I used to when I was younger) I'm 45 and I'm looking for potent OTC products that work. I have a question, I used to take Toco 8 by primordial performance, since the feds shut him down, I can't get anything close to that product, it did wonders for my hair...are you or would you be interested in making a product similar to that? I'm sure anything that helps hair is a homerun business wise.
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Look into EvoMuse VirileMane Enhanced. Also might want to look a bit further into toco 8. Jarrow makes a descent formula and Ik Eric (from pp) came out with a new company and has a "advanced toco 8" but very pricey. Forgot the name of the company.
 
halfhuman said:
Look into EvoMuse VirileMane Enhanced. Also might want to look a bit further into toco 8. Jarrow makes a descent formula and Ik Eric (from pp) came out with a new company and has a "advanced toco 8" but very pricey. Forgot the name of the company.
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Hey thanks man. I googled that Evomuse stuff and came up with nothing, can you provide a link? also thanks for the heads up on PP, I did a quick search on linkedin and Eric's new company is OneManWorld LLC but I didn't find a website.
 
dondon said:
Hey thanks man. I googled that Evomuse stuff and came up with nothing, can you provide a link? also thanks for the heads up on PP, I did a quick search on linkedin and Eric's new company is OneManWorld LLC but I didn't find a website.
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Here's the link.

No problem
 
dondon said:
Hey thanks man. I googled that Evomuse stuff and came up with nothing, can you provide a link? also thanks for the heads up on PP, I did a quick search on linkedin and Eric's new company is OneManWorld LLC but I didn't find a website.
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I tried sending you a pm. That's not his site. It starts with botanical
 
dondon said:
Hi Brundel, I been taking your product for a little over 2 months and love it, its helped my estrogen level better then arimidex IMO. I don't do steroids, (I used to when I was younger) I'm 45 and I'm looking for potent OTC products that work. I have a question, I used to take Toco 8 by primordial performance, since the feds shut him down, I can't get anything close to that product, it did wonders for my hair...are you or would you be interested in making a product similar to that? I'm sure anything that helps hair is a homerun business wise.
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Thanks for the good words. Currently we have no intention of creating a product like this.
Generally if hair is gonna go your fighting a losing battle. Many of the pharmaceutical compounds that prevent hairloss also cause erectile dysfunction and reduce strength and muscle mass. Not at all ideal. Id rather be big strong and bald than hairy, weak and limp.
I shave my head. It saves me any concern with MPB.
Good luck either way. I know what its like to see the hairline going.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Dondon, have you tried Nizoral (ketoconazol) shampoo?
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Yep, got it. To be honest, since I started Formeron, my hair is actually healthier...could it be me? IDK. I'm just being greedy and want more that's why I was asking Brundel if he would work on a formula for hair only. But Toco 8 is back out again under a new name, the link I posted above has their website.
 
There is research indicating formeron works as a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor which would prevent male pattern baldness in some. Its very mild in this respect but i know guys who notice less prostate issues with formeron.
 
dondon said:
Yep, got it. To be honest, since I started Formeron, my hair is actually healthier...could it be me? IDK. I'm just being greedy and want more that's why I was asking Brundel if he would work on a formula for hair only. But Toco 8 is back out again under a new name, the link I posted above has their website.
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1. The deal on toco-8 is very bad. Look up swanson full spectrum vitamin E with tocotrienols. Better product and value at 2 caps a day.

2. Look up evomuse virile mane enhanced
 
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