ironwiz
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Try amazon or ebay. Your better of getting revita or regenpure imo. nizoral is drying on the hair.
Hair Loss Prevention
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Try amazon or ebay. Your better of getting revita or regenpure imo. nizoral is drying on the hair.
Bigchourico
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yeah, but imo nizoral does stop the hair from falling out during a cycle.
Bigchourico
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Or at least slows it down.
ironwiz
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toco-sorb is a superior form of vitamin e that was proven in a study to regrow hair. I highly rate this product! it also has heart, brain and skin benefits. Go to my thread to read more of it. You can find it at vita cost, amazon or BB.com Invalid Link Removed
i use Nature's Way Hydraplenish® Hyaluronic Acid - now this product not so much grows or prevents hairloss but it does keep your hair healthy. If you read through some of the earlier posts in THIS thread you will see that i posted a write up and a link to a great article on HA. It also really helps with my join problems
1976pianoman
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Just an FYI - it says right on the bottle that it washes away DHT. I think this is a misleading statement that have led many, including the entire salon community, to think Nioxin is a treatment for MPB.
Bigchourico
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wouldn't it be more of a prevention than a treatment?
ironwiz
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I totally agree with you. But you do realize that Nizoral just contains ketoconazole right? which is the main ingredient in preventing/slowing down hair loss. These new shampoos (revita and regenpure) also contain ketoconazole but also contain a lot of other useful ingredients that prevent hair loss and also encourage hair regrowth. Plus they dont dry out your hair as much.
Think of Nizoral as an outdated ketoconazole shampoo kind of like and iphone 3 for example and think of revita and regenpure .etc as an iphone 5
what a great analogy right haha
ironwiz
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Bigchourico
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I totally agree with you. But you do realize that Nizoral just contains ketoconazole right? which is the main ingredient in preventing/slowing down hair loss. These new shampoos (revita and regenpure) also contain ketoconazole but also contain a lot of other useful ingredients that prevent hair loss and also encourage hair regrowth. Plus they dont dry out your hair as much.
Think of Nizoral as an outdated ketoconazole shampoo kind of like and iphone 3 for example and think of revita and regenpure .etc as an iphone 5
Ok I got it now, good analogy!!
1976pianoman
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You know there are prescription anti-fungal shampoos too. Same active ingredient, just a higher percentage. The Ketoconazole shampoos that have been mentioned here are all 1% OTC products. You can get a 2% Ketoconazole shampoo with a prescription. I wonder if that would be the ticket.
ironwiz
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Im from Australia and i can get the 2% version OTC and to me more is not necessarily better. It really dried out my hair and killed it!
rockme
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This information came to me via a very well respected dermatologist that I paid big money to go see while I was uninsured a few years back. He was actually enraged over the split in the hair-loss community between the real science and the quackery. He explained to me that DHT is an internal thing. It's in the blood. It cannot be "washed" away with any sort of shampoo and any claims to this notion are outright lies (according to him) perpetuated by the manufactures of some of these shampoos. The studies are not legit (he claims) and he says that the only people who don't know this are the consumers - they are the victims. The only scientifically, peer-reviewed methods of preventing hairloss are with the drug finasteride and the topical application of minoxidil.The FDA will not approve any of these shampoos regardless of their claims because the limited studies are not conclusive and what little percentage increases were shown are not substantial enough for these products to be considered a legit MPB treatment. So my advice, keep using your shampoo if you like, but don't forget to also take your fina and your foam.Do with this info what you please. I'm not up for a debate. Cheers.
Of course your dermatologist scoffed at these OTC remedies. He can't prescribe them and make money off of them. Doctors are trained to treat all illness and conditions with drugs and surgery
1976pianoman
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This doc was all fake and baked, and he walked around with a little hand held digital recorder taking dictation all the time speaking with very big words, not really having a conversation with me, the patient, rather with his recorder and his hot nurse, but while examining me. Like I was a subject to be studied and talked about, but not talked to. It was pretty interesting. The stuff he prescribed me, Extina foam was INSANELY expensive at the pharmacy. Like $300. So you are probably correct Rockme.
rockme
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Regenepure has worked well for me. Though I use it only once or twice a week because I tend to get buildup in my follicles. The majority of the time I use Wen by Chaz Dean (believe it or not it actually works really well for me). I also have a shower filtration system to eliminate impurities. These simple measures will work better than your 300 dollar foam, my friend.
SpicedCider
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Hey, off-topic, but from reading your username, do you play piano? If so, are you a Lyle Mays fan?
1976pianoman
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The $300 Extina foam was not for hairloss. I was not seeing the doc for hair loss, rather dermatitis. Before I left his office, I mentioned the hair loss thing and asked him about the shampoo Nioxin. That's when he had his tantrum about shampoos. Interestingly enough, the active ingredient in Extina foam that I was given for dermatitis, is [FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]k[/FONT]etoconazole 2%. I never got the Extina foam, cause I could not afford it. The sample he gave me took away my dermatitis (redness on my face) immediately and I never had it again. I went ahead and ordered some [FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]k[/FONT]etoconazole 2% shampoo from Amazon a few days ago. Strangely enough all the 2% varieties come from Thailand. Looking forward to using it. Thanks to this thread.
1976pianoman
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No, but I am very serious about taking a turn in the jazz direction. I have to sooner or later. Any serious player has to do jazz. I know very little about it. I can fake it, but that's it. Will be studying it in the years to come. I listen to very few jazz musicians. Probably people you have not heard of.
SpicedCider
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Sounds good. Just out of curiosity, who are the jazz musicians you listen to?
The thing is, I'm not really a fan of "straight ahead" jazz because most of it just sounds too dissonant. What I like about composers such as Lyle Mays & Pat Metheny is the fact that their music sounds complex, but it's still catchy and accessible. And maybe I'm the only one who interprets their music in this way, but it has a very... sentimental (?) quality to it, almost as if it reminds me of "the good old days" of childhood. I think it's something about that synthesizer sound that Lyle uses. The only downside is trying to find other musicians who sound similar...
1976pianoman
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We're probably going to get busted for highjacking this thread here, so I'll keep this brief. I totally like what you said. I'm with you. It's taken me many years to warm up to jazz. I used to hate it. I like music that sounds and feels good, stuff that moves me, and touches my soul. Jazz doesn't do that to me too easily. So jazz was a leap, but now that I'm making the leap, I'm seeing it's an essential one. I will not stay in the jazz realm, rather learn it so I can use it creatively elsewhere in God knows what other realm I end up in. There's a band called Dirty Loops who takes mainline jazz theory and applies it to covers they do of popular (and often lame) pop songs. Britney Spears type stuff that is completely reworked using diatonic jazz harmonies. Everybody loves them and not many know they are actually listening to some serious jazz 101 when listening to them. Look them up on YouTube. My favorite Jazz artist is Tigran Hamasyan. He is my nemesis. Let's stop this talk and return it to the correct topic! btw, I respect your passion.
1976pianoman
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I didn't mean to say no, I don't play the piano. Yes I do. It's my life. I meant I'm not a fan "yet" of the guy you mentioned. But will check him out.
SpicedCider
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I didn't mean to say no, I don't play the piano. Yes I do. It's my life. I meant I'm not a fan "yet" of the guy you mentioned. But will check him out.
Oh, I figured you played piano.
In the spirit of keeping the discussion on topic, I will go ahead and say that my dad had a hair transplant on Thursday (not with a Bosley doctor). He had 3500 follicles transplanted, and he will go back in a couple months to have 3500 more transplanted for a total of 7000. He has been essentially bald on the front of his head since the late 1990s, so we'll see how it goes...
BTW, here are a few Youtube videos to get you started with Pat Metheny and Lyle Mays:
"Close to Home" by Lyle Mays:
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"Minuano (Six-Eight Time)" by Pat Metheny Group:
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"Third Wind" by Pat Metheny Group (especially the last 3-ish minutes)
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Enjoy!
1976pianoman
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Thanks for the links!
I found this guy in Texas.
Dr. Bernardino Arocha
His work is the most impressive I have seen. I am seriouslly looking into getting the procedure done when I can afford it. I would need 2000 grafts I think.
I'll bet your dad is excited. I hope it goes well for him.
I found this guy in Texas.
Dr. Bernardino Arocha
His work is the most impressive I have seen. I am seriouslly looking into getting the procedure done when I can afford it. I would need 2000 grafts I think.
I'll bet your dad is excited. I hope it goes well for him.
SpicedCider
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Thanks. I think the "after effects" (mainly pain) were a bit more than he was expecting, but at least the hair's back (soon)!
vidapreta
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I totally agree with you. But you do realize that Nizoral just contains ketoconazole right? which is the main ingredient in preventing/slowing down hair loss. These new shampoos (revita and regenpure) also contain ketoconazole but also contain a lot of other useful ingredients that prevent hair loss and also encourage hair regrowth. Plus they dont dry out your hair as much.
Think of Nizoral as an outdated ketoconazole shampoo kind of like and iphone 3 for example and think of revita and regenpure .etc as an iphone 5
ironwiz how much ketoconazole would you say is in the revita/regenpure? Would it be equal to the 1%..2%?
ironwiz
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I believe they use the 1% version. That way they dont have to worry about prescriptions (in the US at least?). It can ship internationally. And it doesn't have to much of a drying effect.
vidapreta
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Do you prefer one over the other or are they basically the same?
Bigchourico
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Has anyone tried the Nanogen shampoos??
ironwiz
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There similar bud. But the thing is shampoos like rivita and regenpure also have a whole heap of other great ingredients and are SLS free. While if you chose just to get nizoral 1% or 2% all you are really getting is just the ketoconozle at the relevant percentages.
Everyone is different. If i had to choose i would just get the revita shampoo and conditioner. If money isnt a problem try Nizoral 2% and if it works for you and doesnt dry out your hair than great. But if it does you will need to try something like revita.
propho
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I swear you are all over the place LOL and as a matter a fact I think I saw you posted about Tocosorb on another board baldtruthtalk(probably totally different and I'm hallucinating again)..
ironwiz
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I swear you are all over the place LOL and as a matter a fact I think I saw you posted about Tocosorb on another board baldtruthtalk(probably totally different and I'm hallucinating again)..[/QUOTE
Haha. You are correct i am all over the place. But i did not post in baldtruthtalk, however i do have a thread about toco-sorb on this board, check it out
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1976pianoman
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Agreed. It is ridiculously cheap. I get mine at the Target Pharmacy.
You just need to tell your doc that you want generic Proscar.
Keep an eye out for generic Propecia 1mg. It's soon to come out. It is going to be the better choice over Proscar because splitting a 5mg pill into 1/4's does not guarantee even dosages, in fact, there is a good chance that the majority of the fin might be concentrated in one specific section of the Proscar pill. I spoke to a pharmacist about this. Some prescription tablets are meant to be cut, and others are not. Those that are meant to be cut are specifically created to yield an even dose after being cut. Generic Proscar is not meant to be cut, therefore who knows what we are actually getting in our little 1/4 nugget. Because of this, it is important to only cut one pill at a time. Do not cut all your pills at once. That way you are sure to be getting a dose at least once every 4 days. ..and that is actually sufficient (but not ideal) to keep our DHT in check.
wastedwhiteboy2
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Sometimes I'll just take two drops. How much that is? I dont know but I do a low dose so it dont kill my sex drive.
1976pianoman
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1mg daily is the recommended dose for MPB. One doctor told me a while back that I don't actually have to take it every day, but I don't know if she knew what she was talking about.
I have zero side effects from taking generic Proscar in quarters. I take a quarter pill per day. Still have my mojo, still have to watch porn at least once every two days. Nothings changed at all. My brother takes it too and he too has zero side effects.
The minimum I would do would be 1mg every other day. Possibly at very minimum, once every three days. Like I said previously, there are potential issues with not knowing the dosage you are taking when cutting generic Proscar in quarters. I do not know if this is actually a problem or not. I was just speculating based on what I learned about how pills are made.
I have zero side effects from taking generic Proscar in quarters. I take a quarter pill per day. Still have my mojo, still have to watch porn at least once every two days. Nothings changed at all. My brother takes it too and he too has zero side effects.
The minimum I would do would be 1mg every other day. Possibly at very minimum, once every three days. Like I said previously, there are potential issues with not knowing the dosage you are taking when cutting generic Proscar in quarters. I do not know if this is actually a problem or not. I was just speculating based on what I learned about how pills are made.
1976pianoman
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Your hair and scalp should be as dry as possible - not wet. If you use hair products, the minox goes on first. It sounds like this doesn't apply to you having long hair, but just for others sake who have short styled hair like me - I would put the minox liquid in, and my hair would be wet and oily so I would blow dry on a gentle setting till the minox dried up, then apply my hair gel.
If you are using the foam, the minox seems to be more alcohol-based and evaporates, so the blow dry step is not needed. I used to get the liquid at Costco which was dirt cheap - Kirkland Brand. $18 would buy "6 month" supply, which actually lasted more like 3 months. They discontinued the liquid and now only offer foam. It's $50 for a "6 month" supply. This foam goes even faster than the liquid and seems to last me no more than 2 months. But this is because I am using it on my hairline as well.
Use an additional mirror every once in a while to really see where you are thinning. I made the mistake of not applying where I needed to apply because I didn't realize exactly where I was thinning.
I know they say that minox is only for the crown, yet I can't be the only one who started applying it to my hairline and now is afraid to stop. You can never stop once you start. You will have to commit to it for the rest of your life now. If you stop, your hair will fall out.
I experimented with applying the minox once daily, and discovered that it really does need to be applied twice daily. I would take it with finasteride 1mg. Most guys do not experience a single side effect from fina. I sure don't. You really want to lower the DHT levels in your blood to have the best shot of battling MPB.
In the end, you will probably come to the same conclusion as me - an FUE transplant procedure is in order! But minox and fina sure do slow down the thinning.
1976pianoman
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Jessep76
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Woh that place is wicked expensive. I think you meant realiable rx pharmacy. Shipping is costly, but if you buy in bulk you'll save a shyte load. 60 tb for 40
My doctor said I could take 1mg and wait 2 to 3 days for the next. Something about a study from australia where they got nearly the same effect with less side effects. 30 days worth is now 70 days worth. Dingus still has functionality - Boom
1976pianoman
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I think I already mentioned this, but a doctor once told me that exact same thing. You don't have to take it every day. She must have been hip to that same study from Australia.
I would just go to a doctor and pay $50-$60 for one office visit and get a lifetime script for generic Proscar. The drugs will cost just a few bucks if you go to a cheap local pharmacy like Target or Walmart. I pay around $10 for a 4 month supply. (30, 5mg tablets cut into 1/4's) You shouldn't have to go back to the doc ever again. I do however occasionally have to make phone calls to get them to re-up the script, but they always do it.
Jessep76
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You're not worried about 1/4 having either no fina or too much fina (as you mentioned) ?
While I do agree, a local pharmacy is less likely for F you over in potency, having a 1mg pill kind of sounds safer in some aspects....
1976pianoman
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Yes, if I had the money, I would rather do the 1mg tablets.
Truth is, I don't even know what the 1mg tablets cost online. I assumed you were all talking about ordering generic proscar online. What can you get the 1mg tablets for?
Jessep76
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Yes, if I had the money, I would rather do the 1mg tablets.
Truth is, I don't even know what the 1mg tablets cost online. I assumed you were all talking about ordering generic proscar online. What can you get the 1mg tablets for?
You pay a flat 20 for shipping...But, you get 10 1mg for $2 So potentially you get 100 pills for 40 buck. I've bought in bulk from there once before
They also have minoxidil
You buy 1mg pills in increments of 10
Drawback is they only take Visa, not mastercard
1976pianoman
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Thanks for this. It would be great if we could cure MPB. I think this is a step in that direction.