With Pre-workout is a must...1cap of versa-1 per day will deliver awesome results! I do not recommend doing any more than that.
Take it with your thermo in the morning or pre-workout on training days.
With Pre-workout is a must...1cap of versa-1 per day will deliver awesome results! I do not recommend doing any more than that.
Take it with your thermo in the morning or pre-workout on training days.
I'm curious as to why preworkout would be better than taking it at the same time every day... is the half life that long? If I typically take it in the AM but occasionally work out in the evening is that too much variation in the dosing pattern?With Pre-workout is a must...
does it enhance the stim effect?With Pre-workout is a must...
it increases mental stimulation, focus (amazing in the zone feel) and mind muscle.does it enhance the stim effect?
i had that feeling with lit up to an extent. guess my pre workout isnt strong enough to feel it yet. may bump up the dosage. (G Fuel)it increases mental stimulation, focus (amazing in the zone feel) and mind muscle.
you have to feel it to understand..
You should honestly try Focus XT for a similar feel (no pimp). It would stack well with Versa-1i had that feeling with lit up to an extent. guess my pre workout isnt strong enough to feel it yet. may bump up the dosage. (G Fuel)
ive tried focus XT but not with versa before.You should honestly try Focus XT for a similar feel (no pimp). It would stack well with Versa-1
I just read the write-up...damn USPlabs for finding novel pathways that I thought I was the only one who knew of them. I read a lot about TAAR back when I had an obsession with cognitive enhancers. TAAR agonists, especially when combined with stimulants, will promote an overall feeling of cognition and wakefullness. Its hard to explain the feel, more of one of those things you just have to try it like other cognitive enhancers, and listen to your bodydoes it enhance the stim effect?
The complementary acetate donation and Choline Acetyltransferase upregulation (via ALCAR) + Acetylcholinesterase Inhibition (via Huperzine A) can amplify the effects of citocholine.ive tried focus XT but not with versa before.
For sure...it should stack well with preworkouts and other mixes like Focus-XT, for the mental aspect of the molecule.this makes me want a stronger pre workout even more!
Yea I was wondering where dude went myself.Where did iron fists posts go? Objective discussion and a disagreement of viewpoints should not be grounds for deletion. I just got here and am reading a broken convo lol.
I agree that most the logs I followed were very positive and seemed to show good results. I do enjoy a good debate though.Gotta love the controversy over innovation!
Every great product starts this way. I remember when everyone said Erase wasn't going to be good because of this theory and that theory. Now all those guys take Erase
I followed about 8-10 logs, didn't have time for the 200 that beta-tested. All if them seemed very positive and also consistent with each other, which lead me to believe there was something special going on.
I've been taking AnaBeta every day...excited to add Versa to continue my lean(ish) bulk!
Im not even saying your products is bunk, I'm just saying if it was they would somehow still get resultsThey didn't know what to expect. We didn't make claims. We just handed it out and said take it...
It’s hard for people to look at things objectively in ourindustry and understandably so. We expected a small backlash from the usualsuspects (we wanted that as it only helps discussion and growth of the product) and we hoped that the consumers would then weigh the feedback on theproduct objectively and that would win out...that seems to be happening..Yes, the placebo effect is a strong one but when several logs post very similar results without even a clue as too what they might expect from the product, then I highly doubt the placebo is in play.
You must consider that their are a variety of different supplements that ellicit very different physiological effects and so when PA was released to the Alpha testers, that product could have mimicked any one of the categories of supplements. I.e. Test booster, AI, Insulin mimicker etc. etc. and so any placebo that a user would have felt would be in line with what they believed/ hoped or anticipated the product would deliver (increased hunger, appitite suppression etc.) but instead they all reported similar findings.
This would require far too much coincidence for all alphas (not just in this board either, but users from other forums as well) to anticipate the same response.
I already tried it and love it...Pure mental horsepower...The complementary acetate donation and Choline Acetyltransferase upregulation (via ALCAR) + Acetylcholinesterase Inhibition (via Huperzine A) can amplify the effects of citocholine.
Same here. Focus XT on off days and added ALCAR on training days.I already tried it and love it...Pure mental horsepower...
great postYes, the placebo effect is a strong one but when several logs post very similar results without even a clue as too what they might expect from the product, then I highly doubt the placebo is in play.
You must consider that their are a variety of different supplements that ellicit very different physiological effects and so when PA was released to the Alpha testers, that product could have mimicked any one of the categories of supplements. I.e. Test booster, AI, Insulin mimicker etc. etc. and so any placebo that a user would have felt would be in line with what they believed/ hoped or anticipated the product would deliver (increased hunger, appitite suppression etc.) but instead they all reported similar findings.
This would require far too much coincidence for all alphas (not just in this board either, but users from other forums as well) to anticipate the same response.
I've quoted most all of his posts as it was, you should be able to get the entirety of his contribution.Where did iron fists posts go? Objective discussion and a disagreement of viewpoints should not be grounds for deletion. I just got here and am reading a broken convo lol.
Anecdotally, I did notice transient bouts of almost unbearable sweating when combined with caffeine in a fasted state. That, and nitrate-esque vascularity, were the two most prominent effects for me (the citocholine may explain the erections). I'd like to get iron fists take on these effects and possible causes. Vascularity observations could be placebo or subject's bias, but the intense rise in body heat (with sweating and even some nausea) was only present when I took this product fasted, and it occurred without fail when doing so.
solid choice....If versa1 gets more promising non sponsored reviews I'm going to pick it up and go with the focus xt and versa route
Sounds fun
logging mine now. it was free, but a log wasnt required. just simply logging my personal experiences with it. if i hate it, ill say. if i love it, ill pimp it all around the forumIf versa1 gets more promising non sponsored reviews I'm going to pick it up and go with the focus xt and versa route
Sounds fun
agreedsolid choice....
I hope the community decides to log experiences here..
Can u link melogging mine now. it was free, but a log wasnt required. just simply logging my personal experiences with it. if i hate it, ill say. if i love it, ill pimp it all around the forum
Thumbs up!Not sure If some of you know, a final email to ic peeps has been sent out.. It's the last call to get your hands on this sick deal before its all gone...
Would the stack be beneficial for a study session? Often I find Focus XT to be enough in of itself but would Versa 1 be a good addition? Always looking for that edge closer to exam timeYou should honestly try Focus XT for a similar feel (no pimp). It would stack well with Versa-1
I think so..focus would increase and even better mental stamina seems to increase..you just stay sharp.Would the stack be beneficial for a study session? Often I find Focus XT to be enough in of itself but would Versa 1 be a good addition? Always looking for that edge closer to exam time
Since the citocholine appears to be a secondary ingredient relative to the aegeline, it probably wouldn't be the best way to use it, but you could try Versa-1 + Focus XT + a racetamWould the stack be beneficial for a study session? Often I find Focus XT to be enough in of itself but would Versa 1 be a good addition? Always looking for that edge closer to exam time
That's one serious study session!focus xt is more than enough for me when I need the mental boost.Would the stack be beneficial for a study session? Often I find Focus XT to be enough in of itself but would Versa 1 be a good addition? Always looking for that edge closer to exam time
I'll give that combo a trial run in the coming weeks. Thanks for the heads up.Since the citocholine appears to be a secondary ingredient relative to the aegeline, it probably wouldn't be the best way to use it, but you could try Versa-1 + Focus XT + a racetam
Yeah, Focus Xt does me well during the semester but closer to exam time when you need to pull all-nighters WITH mental clairty (often a hard combo in a sleep deprived state) I need all the help I can get.That's one serious study session!focus xt is more than enough for me when I need the mental boost.
Sounds like a nice way to utilize the two. I got a tub of caff free focus Xt sitting on my fridge.. I gotta remember to try this out.Same here. Focus XT on off days and added ALCAR on training days.
Pump spray would confound your results tremendouslyGoing to run a non sponsored log of Versa 1 as soon as it arrives. Only other supplements i will be using is Powerful at bedtime and Epharm pumpspray preworkout..sj
Please link me! I'd love to follow along.Going to run a non sponsored log of Versa 1 as soon as it arrives. Only other supplements i will be using is Powerful at bedtime and Epharm pumpspray preworkout..sj
I will. Started pumpspray yesterday at 70 sprays preworkout and Powerful at bedtime. As soon as the Versa1 arrives I will make a non sponsored log here. Very excited to give this ago. SJPlease link me! I'd love to follow along.
Confound or compound? Not familiar with pump spray at all. I don't know what's even in it (never looked at it)Pump spray would confound your results tremendously
Confound, as in he will not be able to isolate which product created the results.Confound or compound? Not familiar with pump spray at all. I don't know what's even in it (never looked at it)
Ah, I see. Makes sense.....didn't know if it was an auto-correct from a smart phone. My fat fingers do that to me a good bit :-(Confound, as in he will not be able to isolate which product created the results.
Have you used the other products (PumpSpray and PowerFULL) before? If yes, then you might be better positioned to identify the incremental effects of another variable, such as Versa-1. Do you have a log already?I will. Started pumpspray yesterday at 70 sprays preworkout and Powerful at bedtime. As soon as the Versa1 arrives I will make a non sponsored log here. Very excited to give this ago. SJ
We should do it at Nutraplanet.Versa-1 + Focus XT + AnaBeta Elite = supplement junkies ultimate mind and muscle stack?
Versa-1 + Focus XT + AnaBeta Elite = supplement junkies ultimate mind and muscle stack?
I like the sound of that stack...We should do it at Nutraplanet.
I'm in. Natty you in? Coop?
Sick!Versa-1 + Focus XT + AnaBeta Elite = supplement junkies ultimate mind and muscle stack?
Let's do it.We should do it at Nutraplanet.
I'm in. Natty you in? Coop?