mr.cooper69
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Sorry, I can't read that post lol. Titrate it down to a few key points and/or questions 
GDA, Insulin mim and repartitioner
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pectus
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OK Mr Coopersixtynine... I split question...
I'm confused on what you say in A) and B). it seems you are saying (with A) that Is stupid to inhibit enzyme (I think you are referring to Alpha amilase) and with B) you are saying that many (if not all) GDA's HAS such kind of ingredients..
Im confused on what you wanted to say. (i'm happy YOU are in this thread)
Probably is only a language problem and I can't understand what you are saying (Im Italian)
C ) OK .
mr.cooper69
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No, I do not mean that in a negative sense.
You need to remember that most "GDAs" are plants with a variety of constituents. A great example is Banaba. Some constituents block enzymatic release; others do indeed reduce blood glucose. What I'm trying to show you is that "GDAs" have mixed activity because no single plant is composed of just one compound. So when you buy a GDA, you're usually buying more than just glucose disposal; you're also buying agents that reduce or delay (reduce in more extreme cases; merely delay at reasonable doses) glucose absorption. Either way, BOTH of these effects serve to allow for the true purpose of GDAs: reduction of insulin release for a given meal.
Does that make sense? Thanks for your patience.
pectus
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Thanks to YOU to YOUR patience.
I'll try to re-formulate the next questions i have posted in the big long post.
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AaronJP1 said:
More extract in the new one, per serving. Same product though.
pectus
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OK , next question:
" I do not understand if they act as synergic, agonist, antagonist to INSULIN. If they lower or raise the REAL insulin action.
if they acts as substitute/complementary of insulin and if it desiderabele to have more or less (real insuline) AND WHEN.
So if they acts like insulin (in a way), why NOT using straight INSULIN or wait that the endogenous one will appears after a rich glucidic meal?
This question made me think that probably the key (or one of the keys) is that we USE GDA's BEFORE meal and that
endogenous insuline appears ONLY when the meal is finished.
" I do not understand if they act as synergic, agonist, antagonist to INSULIN. If they lower or raise the REAL insulin action.
if they acts as substitute/complementary of insulin and if it desiderabele to have more or less (real insuline) AND WHEN.
So if they acts like insulin (in a way), why NOT using straight INSULIN or wait that the endogenous one will appears after a rich glucidic meal?
This question made me think that probably the key (or one of the keys) is that we USE GDA's BEFORE meal and that
endogenous insuline appears ONLY when the meal is finished.
mr.cooper69
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None of the above, biochemically. They reduce insulin output because:a. they dispose of blood glucose in an insulin-independent fashion (GENERALLY, with few exceptions)b. they block carbs so less insulin is requiredYou use GDAs for health reasons, not body composition reasons. Excessive insulin output is associated with a TON of pathologies; conversely, low insulin levels seem to promote a healthy hormonal atmosphere and longevity. Insulin is a highly anabolic hormone though, so we don't want to kill it, but rather reduce spikes (similar to cortisol). And endogenous insulin is present during the meal as with the GDA-effects of the ingredients.
Paramount
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Hey guys,
sorry for digging up this old thread but im still super confused about this whole GDA thing.
So GDAs are supposed to shuttle carbs/glucose into the glycogen stores of our muscles and at the same time keep them away from the fat cells. Well thats at least what it says on the description of my bottle of AP...
But then again i read that nutrients are non-selectively shuttled to both fat and muscle:
(quote is from page 1 of this thread)
Doesnt this mean GDAs are completely useless if youre cutting? Even counter-productive, since it will be easier for nutrients/carbs to go into fat cells...
This is so confusing, since so u can find so many positive reviews of people who are using GDAs for cutting...
sorry for digging up this old thread but im still super confused about this whole GDA thing.
So GDAs are supposed to shuttle carbs/glucose into the glycogen stores of our muscles and at the same time keep them away from the fat cells. Well thats at least what it says on the description of my bottle of AP...
But then again i read that nutrients are non-selectively shuttled to both fat and muscle:
Because GLUT4 originates in both adipose and muscle tissue, you can see what I mean by non-selectivity.
So, for however indiscreetly these products serve to aid in muscle growth, you're looking at the same impact on fat as well. Simply put, if you can get swole from GDA utilization, you may be able to get fatter, too.
(quote is from page 1 of this thread)
Doesnt this mean GDAs are completely useless if youre cutting? Even counter-productive, since it will be easier for nutrients/carbs to go into fat cells...
This is so confusing, since so u can find so many positive reviews of people who are using GDAs for cutting...
mr.cooper69
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Please read, quite literally, the post above yours...
Paramount
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I did read it again now, but it leaves me as wise as before to be honest.
This whole thing isnt easy if english isnt your first language
So lets see if i got things right:
1. GDAs are for health reasons only
2. They cant be used for body recomp at all, especially not to block carbs from fat cells but shuttle them into muscles
3. All the people who claim to gain lean mass with GDAs like AP or even claim to gain mass and lose fat at the same time are liars (or its placebo effect...)
Please correct me if im wrong in any of these...
This whole thing isnt easy if english isnt your first language
So lets see if i got things right:
1. GDAs are for health reasons only
2. They cant be used for body recomp at all, especially not to block carbs from fat cells but shuttle them into muscles
3. All the people who claim to gain lean mass with GDAs like AP or even claim to gain mass and lose fat at the same time are liars (or its placebo effect...)
Please correct me if im wrong in any of these...
mr.cooper69
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I did read it again now, but it leaves me as wise as before to be honest.
This whole thing isnt easy if english isnt your first language
So lets see if i got things right:
1. GDAs are for health reasons only
2. They cant be used for body recomp at all, especially not to block carbs from fat cells but shuttle them into muscles
3. All the people who claim to gain lean mass with GDAs like AP or even claim to gain mass and lose fat at the same time are liars (or its placebo effect...)
Please correct me if im wrong in any of these...
1. Incorrect. Insulin has a variety of feedback mechanisms in the body, such as blockade of HSL, that prevents fat loss. Reducing insulin will create a more lipolytic environment, even if the carbs are "shuttled" to all tissues.
2. See above
3. See above
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Ok, i think i got it now, thank you
Any GDA you would highly recommend if my main goal is cutting without worrying about carbs? (assuming my diet is on spot)
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hvactech
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Ok, i think i got it now, thank you
Any GDA you would highly recommend if my main goal is cutting without worrying about carbs? (assuming my diet is on spot)
You could look into NForce by MAN sports. Definitely underated
mr.cooper69
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Ok, i think i got it now, thank you
Any GDA you would highly recommend if my main goal is cutting without worrying about carbs? (assuming my diet is on spot)
Burn 24, recompadrol, glycophase, or AP
wastedwhiteboy2
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It does the job of the insulin for you so your insulin will be more sensitive. That's about the only benefit I've seen.
kissdadookie
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I vote for Burn24. I'm not 100% on how GDAs work but just anecdotal-ly, I feel like Burn24 has helped me with better optimization of nutrients usage.
mr.cooper69
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Nope. Typically, when you see only muscle mentioned, it's because they simply didn't analyze fat tissue
xhrr
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Definitely a ****ty product
Paramount
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So if youre looking to lose fat the only reasonable times to take GDAs are when the glycogen stores of your muscles are empty, right? i.e. in the morning and after your workout. Taking GDAs at other times will inevitable result in gaining some fat...?
(Sorry if i still didnt get it but this is a very complex topic imo)
kissdadookie
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Calories in calories out man. You will burn fat in the absence of sufficient caloric intake.
mr.cooper69
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No. GDAs are reasonable at any time you ingest carbs
T-Bone
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No they aren't, they are completely the same. The only difference is the bottle and amount of caps.
hvactech
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another fine judge of character on AM.....
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That glycophase intro deal is awesome. I'm going to grab one, and also the Alphamine/Burn24 deal.
Here's a question..
I'm going to Vegas in 2 weeks for 2nd anniversary and wife's 30th bday.
I have been dieting at 1800-2300 cals for last 2 weeks and dropped 10lbs. We have some fancy dinners, lunches, and a lot of drinking that will happen. Would Burn24, glycophase, or MP be useful? Are any ok to use while drinking? Or like I have planned is it best to just go have fun, and worry about it when I get back?
Sorry about formatting, hard to tell on my phone
Celorza
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Of course they are, grab some Metabolic Powder or RK-500's from SNS and dose Glyco and Metabolic Powder or RK-500'S before a high carb+high fat meal!
Prior to heavy drinking I would recommend 2-3g ALCAR though, it has neuroprotective qualities that will help ameliorate the damage of dipping your brain in booze and having it sit there for some hours!
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That price is ridiculous. And what makes it so much better is that you can use those Used Product Containers to get more free stuff..
Ok, now i'm done
kbayne
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That price is ridiculous. And what makes it so much better is that you can use those Used Product Containers to get more free stuff..
Ok, now i'm done
Got two on the way
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RecompMan
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Metabolic powder can be used while drinking ive done it before. Metabolic powder had rk in it which was studied in a high fat environment which generally accompanied by eating out. Plus you have dosing leaniency for the meals
I'd use glycophase pre and mp during if you have both
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Not as ****** as the post.
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kbayne
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Awesome steal!
I'm gonna have quite a few SNS products for the deal you guys having going on.
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kbayne
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Don't forget the reload deal
Ya that's what it's called. Couldn't remember.
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Awesome. When you collect enough for the prize you want just send them in to the address in the reload thread (link in my sig) with a piece of paper indicating your product choice and return shipping info.
cubsfan815
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Of course they are, grab some Metabolic Powder or RK-500's from SNS and dose Glyco and Metabolic Powder or RK-500'S before a high carb+high fat meal!
Prior to heavy drinking I would recommend 2-3g ALCAR though, it has neuroprotective qualities that will help ameliorate the damage of dipping your brain in booze and having it sit there for some hours!
Some good advice. Thanks guys. I should practice a little at home first, so there are no surprises in Vegas. Brb grabbing a keg
cubsfan815
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So many choices. I will try to find the best economical route. My wife hates when I spend a lot of money before vacation lol... Prob cause it's less money she can spend on vaca!
RecompMan
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Mp and glycophase may be the cheapest options to be honest
Together it's about 45 dollars and last a while depending on how you use
cubsfan815
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Hmm. For some reason I thought it was more expensive.
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Give or take $2.00