I'm sure Blake sent many...to his own mouth!I was looking forward to the live logs from beta testers from the board.
Blake didn't even send me any!
I'm sure Blake sent many...to his own mouth!I was looking forward to the live logs from beta testers from the board.
Blake didn't even send me any!
Good thing there is another generous SPP rep on this board.I'm sure Blake sent many...to his own mouth!
Pretty close, yes. Not sure how they work their conversion.Equivalent price?
Exactly. My point was it was the rat research that led to the interest in the product and then the release that showed hey this does work in humans! If PES had said well this is in rats let's not try it out because we don't know then we would be missing out on a solid product. If you're going to innovate you have to take risks, and I don't know anyone who wouldn't call Matt an innovator (or PES for that matter!)I actually agree about the rat studies. Some seem to transfer well and others do not.
I think there is an important distinction that can be made though. Anacyclus pyrethrum could have easily been written off because the research was done in rats but the AnaBeta beta test went to 20~ people on this board before it was decided to launch the product.
If other companies who had research extrapolated only from rat studies went through the same process there would be a few less supplements on the market.
Now I feel a bit sheepish You gotta come to me first, not Blake. We think Blake might be good for a lot of things, we just haven't found out what yet.Good thing there is another generous SPP rep on this board.
*Stares at Geoforce*
Bump!Dos slintensity prevent the absorption of carbs? When i take slin sane, it works great for preventing fat gain, but I can't carb load with it, because I feel it wont let me suck enough up.
Mike
Well, in theory, youd be avoiding fat gain through the successful carb load..SS is gonna prevent as much insulin being secreted from the pancreas, to get the same job done of shuttling the glucose to skeletal muscle.. So less insulin to be released that could potentially be stored in adipocytes...But again, theres a differences between GDA's and NP's. NP's shuttle nutrients to muscle cells mainly, whereas GDA's just get the glucose out of the blood stream faster, with no particular specific destination, however the more muscle one has, plus assuming the muscles are in need of the glycogen, i'd theorize that it'd end up favoring storage in the muscle as opposed to fat.Bump!
This is still my fundamental concern with all GDAs. Where is the benefit if they do not have selectivity? Our own insulin will also clear the glucose. Is there really a benefit to clearing it more quickly? Or using less insulin?...But again, theres a differences between GDA's and NP's. NP's shuttle nutrients to muscle cells mainly, whereas GDA's just get the glucose out of the blood stream faster, with no particular specific destination, however the more muscle one has, plus assuming the muscles are in need of the glycogen, i'd theorize that it'd end up favoring storage in the muscle as opposed to fat.
To an extent slintensity prevents the absorption of carbs, but it's not like it prevents all of them. I've used it for two weeks now on my carb ups with UD 2.0 and I'd say the biggest difference is less weight gain on my carb ups (water related perhaps?) and not feeling the exhaustion I usually get in terms of carb ups after going from very low carbs to high carbs. I'm not noticing any energy decrease in my workouts following the carb ups so I'd assume it's still letting me replace glycogen fairly well during this. This is what I've noticed, obviously I'd have to be very strict in monitoring everything to really hammer home the difference between a carb up without Slintensity and one with it. Don't know if that helps one bit MikeDos slintensity prevent the absorption of carbs? When i take slin sane, it works great for preventing fat gain, but I can't carb load with it, because I feel it wont let me suck enough up.
Mike
80% 4-OH Isoleucine (from Fenugreek),10% Momordin Bitter Melon Extract , Banaba 1%, Gymnema Sylvestre 75%,To an extent slintensity prevents the absorption of carbs, but it's not like it prevents all of them.
Well, in theory, youd be avoiding fat gain through the successful carb load..SS is gonna prevent as much insulin being secreted from the pancreas, to get the same job done of shuttling the glucose to skeletal muscle.. So less insulin to be released that could potentially be stored in adipocytes...But again, theres a differences between GDA's and NP's. NP's shuttle nutrients to muscle cells mainly, whereas GDA's just get the glucose out of the blood stream faster, with no particular specific destination, however the more muscle one has, plus assuming the muscles are in need of the glycogen, i'd theorize that it'd end up favoring storage in the muscle as opposed to fat.
I'll quote Coop-80% 4-OH Isoleucine (from Fenugreek),10% Momordin Bitter Melon Extract , Banaba 1%, Gymnema Sylvestre 75%,
Norvaline
How so?
If anything, these ingredients enhance carbohydrate absorption. Are of these ingredients all effective direct or indirect GDA's as they assist in either making the body (muscle AND fat cells) more insulin senstive (less glucose intolerant) and thus, create a more comprehensive uptake of carbs (shuttling/cramming glucose into the cells....again, fat or muscle cells).
These supps act as either insulin-sensitizers or mimickers with similar activity.
I am unaware of any of these acting like phaseolamine/white kidney bean extract products of the past that actually inhibit amylase (as an example) thereby preventing absoprtion of carbs.
Two different dynamics.
Yes. Gymnema does so at the site of absorption, while banaba inhibits release of enzymes that digest carbohydrates.
I'll quote Coop-
Nor the best IMO.Anyway whacked. gymnema is a very well documented glucose blocker.EDIT: It's getting to the point that I can't even post on AM anymore due to the hassle and glitches. gonna have to make separate posts for banabaCorosolic acid is not the only active in Banaba.
Been working fine for me. You gotta figure out what's going on Coop, we can't have you not posting on AM!Nor the best IMO.Anyway whacked. gymnema is a very well documented glucose blocker.EDIT: It's getting to the point that I can't even post on AM anymore due to the hassle and glitches. gonna have to make separate posts for banaba
(oleanolic acid, arjunolic acid, asiatic acid, maslinic acid, corosolic acid and 23-hydroxyursolic acid)
I'm most interested in 1 and 6.(oleanolic acid, arjunolic acid, asiatic acid, maslinic acid, corosolic acid and 23-hydroxyursolic acid)
You will see these back in my future products, as isolated extracts.
I'll leave 6 to PA, since he has already gone that direction.I'm most interested in 1 and 6.
Solid post bro, appreciate it. Ill stick with r-ala for my carb up, and slintensity for pct!To an extent slintensity prevents the absorption of carbs, but it's not like it prevents all of them. I've used it for two weeks now on my carb ups with UD 2.0 and I'd say the biggest difference is less weight gain on my carb ups (water related perhaps?) and not feeling the exhaustion I usually get in terms of carb ups after going from very low carbs to high carbs. I'm not noticing any energy decrease in my workouts following the carb ups so I'd assume it's still letting me replace glycogen fairly well during this. This is what I've noticed, obviously I'd have to be very strict in monitoring everything to really hammer home the difference between a carb up without Slintensity and one with it. Don't know if that helps one bit Mike
plus Gallic acid too (induces GLUT4 translocation and glucose uptake activity)(oleanolic acid, arjunolic acid, asiatic acid, maslinic acid, corosolic acid and 23-hydroxyursolic acid)
You will see these back in my future products, as isolated extracts.
The future products will not be glucose centered, necessarily.plus Gallic acid too (induces GLUT4 translocation and glucose uptake activity)
Yes, I apologize thats what I meant. NP is a nutrient partitionerInsulin is not stored in the fat cells, glucose is (once converted to fat cells of course).
What an NP?
Yes, I apologize thats what I meant. NP is a nutrient partitioner
That seems to be the million dollar question. Most products are GDA's but claim to have NP properties..Na-R-ala is often advertised as a NP but I believe that it's more of a GDA. I just got some Slin Sane v2 which is marketed as a NP. It has Na-R-Ala in it, as well as a few other "NP's". I suppose the best way to tell whether or not they're effective GDA/NP's is through using them. The label is intended to "sell" you..Trial and error is likely the best method.No Sweat bro. Im still confused - are there NP's on the market that preferentially direct glucose to muscle as stated in your previous post?
My take on these so far is that there are basically two different types of GDAs. 1) Mimicks of insulin that clear glucose for the blood. 2) "Carb blockers" that stop carbohydrate from ever entering the blood.
IMO, the first type are best used when lean bulking and even then best used post workout. I do not buy into using these with a high carb meal or other "cheat" meal outside of the PO window. There is no evidence that they would be useful simply because they are not selective to muscle cells. On the other hand, post-workout muscles are ready and insulin itself will be selective in this environment. I am using Slin-Sane V2 for this purpose -- just started two days ago. I'm taking one cap right after workout and 15 mins later eating 60gm protein and 100gm carbs. In other words, use this type of GDA as an advanced bodybuilder would use actual insulin.
The GDAs that contain "carb blockers" would be better suited for cutting. Simply use before highest carb meal of the day. If on a very low carb diet, wait for your carb-up.
Anyway that's may take after reading this thread. I welcome the input of the experts.
You may be right. However, from my research it looks like the guys that use real insulin do so predominantly post-workout. I figure if these compounds mimic exogenous insulin, I want to use them in the same manner. Also, I would normally only have 40gm of carbs post-workout. I've bumped this up to 100.IMO I'd skip the one cap immediately post workout.You said it yourself that your body is most insulin sensitive post workout.. Our bodies trans locate the Glut-4 in skeletal muscle post workout, and remains at the plasma membrane for up to 4-5 hours post workout.. I'd still take 1 cap w/ 2nd post workout meal, however.
Below is some of our initial feedback. Been very positive and I haven't seen a negative word yet. Keep in mind no other product has 4-OH at an 80% extract like we are offering. Slintensity+GlycoMyx for under 30 dollars right now is an insane deal that is almost up.Is there any type of consensus whatsoever on the worthiness of looking into Slintensity? http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/southland-performance-products/slintensity-60-caps.html
I am surprised over the years virtually no one other than one or two mom-and-pop private label companies have offered 4-OH. I've tried everything out there, and that's not an overstatement, literally everything. I have yet to try some of the new product from the last year or two, really enjoyed Recompadrol and kind of stopped looking elsewhere.
Question: Why are companies lately favoring Banaba 1% over the much more potent 20% that companies have used for a few years now? Is it just cheaper and they're hoping we don't notice, or has some new research emerged showing an inferior standardization is somehow better?
Just took my first dose of slintensity before my Pre workout meal. 60 grams carbs from oats, 10 egg whites.
This stuff rocks! The pump was insane. I didn't feel bloated at all during my workout! My stomach felt empty which is rare when I eat carbs. Iv tried glycobol and slin sane, slintensity is by far my favorite gda
~5hrs after first dose of slintensity and glycomyx (downed some in between work and classes) - fullness, vascularity definitely noticeable.
SlinTensity definitely seems to be the strongest of the GDA's I've tried. With the amount of carbs I eat, others weren't worth the price for me. I'd have to dose 5-6 caps with some products to get what I am from 2 caps of SlinTensity. Not having to ever go beyond 2 caps, its something I can run consistently. I already placed and received another order.
I dosed 1 cap of slintensity pre-workout. Throughout my workout I sipped on 1.5 scoops of glycomyx and 20g of carbs from Agave Syrup.
+Insane Vascularity
+Godly Muscle Fullness
+Giant Endurance Boost
The 20% banaba is standardized ONLY for corosolic acid. If you head up the thread a bit, you will see the reason why....the other compounds contained are valuable.Is there any type of consensus whatsoever on the worthiness of looking into Slintensity? http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/southland-performance-products/slintensity-60-caps.html
I am surprised over the years virtually no one other than one or two mom-and-pop private label companies have offered 4-OH. I've tried everything out there, and that's not an overstatement, literally everything. I have yet to try some of the new product from the last year or two, really enjoyed Recompadrol and kind of stopped looking elsewhere.
Question: Why are companies lately favoring Banaba 1% over the much more potent 20% that companies have used for a few years now? Is it just cheaper and they're hoping we don't notice, or has some new research emerged showing an inferior standardization is somehow better?
Honestly, I'd like to know if all these pre-made blends of GDA's/NP's are really significantly better than a respectable dose of Na-R-ala. Considering the cost/benefit. Of course someone who is selling the product will always say the blend is better, but honestly it carries a little bias in my opinion. No offense, but it's just reality. Until we can see scientific evidence that all these products act mainly as a nutrient partition-er, and not just as an insulin mimicker, it'll be trial and error to find what really works.
Sounds like the NP's shuttle glycogen to muscles but decrease insulin sensitivity and the GDA's shuttle glycogen out of the bloodstream to either muscle or fat but increases insulin sensitivity. So neither are really helping us unless the GDA's can specifiy muscle uptake.
Why not compare? Try Slintensity while it is super cheap and comes with free GlycoMyx. If you feel it was a waste of money I'll send you a product from us from my own personal stash free of charge. I haven't seen anyone say anything negative about it in terms of being the strongest GDA out there or regretting their purchase. All our feedback has been from people who have bought their own bottle as we haven't had any logs yet so the feedback isn't tainted by confirmation bias.Honestly, I'd like to know if all these pre-made blends of GDA's/NP's are really significantly better than a respectable dose of Na-R-ala. Considering the cost/benefit. Of course someone who is selling the product will always say the blend is better, but honestly it carries a little bias in my opinion. No offense, but it's just reality. Until we can see scientific evidence that all these products act mainly as a nutrient partition-er, and not just as an insulin mimicker, it'll be trial and error to find what really works.
Thanks for the help, I've always been a fan of 4-OH which is why I've been so confused why it was so hard for years, and even now, to find in the marketplace? I know other companies make it, but it's always 20-40% extract I believe, so it's great to see a higher potency.Below is some of our initial feedback. Been very positive and I haven't seen a negative word yet. Keep in mind no other product has 4-OH at an 80% extract like we are offering. Slintensity+GlycoMyx for under 30 dollars right now is an insane deal that is almost up.
There is some discussion at the bottom of page 6 continuing into page 7 to answer your question in detail. Evidently, corosolic acid is a small player in banaba extract, and there could be far more interesting things in it. I'd suggest you go back to read up on the discussion, follow the links, etc.(oleanolic acid, arjunolic acid, asiatic acid, maslinic acid, corosolic acid and 23-hydroxyursolic acid)
Haha, hey man! I stop in maybe once or twice a month, rarely post, still catching up on new career and getting ready for other life changes as I look toward graduating from my roaring twenties.Damn Outstanding, when did you pop your head back in here?
A simple answer to your question is that banaba has a lot of interesting constituents in it. When you standardize for corosolic acid, you eliminate the concentration of the other constituents in your supplement. What are some known ingredients in banaba extract? See below:
There is some discussion at the bottom of page 6 continuing into page 7 to answer your question in detail. Evidently, corosolic acid is a small player in banaba extract, and there could be far more interesting things in it. I'd suggest you go back to read up on the discussion, follow the links, etc.
Z28Luver7777Any updates regarding this thread?
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