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Do fat burners really work/worth it

Mitch5

Mitch5

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Why is everyone so crazy about fat burners? Wouldn't taking caffeine basically be as effective as all of the fillers and what not in "fat burners"? I feel like its a lot if hype and the benefit to cost ratio is not very good.
Opinions?
 
what constitutes a "fat burner" as you say? what do you speak of?
you compare a singular ingredient (caffeine) to an entire sub-category of products.
"fat burners" are a general topic, with many different structures and compounds.
is caffeine "the best" if you want to "burn fat"?
quite simply - no.
can caffeine be a useful adjunct in fat-loss goals?
sure. ECA stack is considered by many to be among the best and simplest options out there...

can all ppl use caffeine or tolerate ECA?
no.

if you don't like the idea of "fat burner" products, don't use them. :shrug:
 
Caffeine isn't even really a "fat burner." It's more of an umbrella term that far too many people think constitutes only stimulants.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
what constitutes a "fat burner" as you say? what do you speak of?
you compare a singular ingredient (caffeine) to an entire sub-category of products.
"fat burners" are a general topic, with many different structures and compounds.
is caffeine "the best" if you want to "burn fat"?
quite simply - no.
can caffeine be a useful adjunct in fat-loss goals?
sure. ECA stack is considered by many to be among the best and simplest options out there...

can all ppl use caffeine or tolerate ECA?
no.

if you don't like the idea of "fat burner" products, don't use them. :shrug:
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Rodja said:
Caffeine isn't even really a "fat burner." It's more of an umbrella term that far too many people think constitutes only stimulants.
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I'm confused... People always buy "thermogenic fat burners per say" most are loaded with caffeine, what else in it really "burns" fat. Like is there a specific one worth taking, example: oxyelite pro, hydroxycut, redline..etc... I know people say acai berry is good , but does any of this actually burn fat
 
Mitch5 said:
I'm confused... People always buy "thermogenic fat burners per say" most are loaded with caffeine, what else in it really "burns" fat. Like is there a specific one worth taking, example: oxyelite pro, hydroxycut, redline..etc... I know people say acai berry is good , but does any of this actually burn fat
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"Burning fat" is a pretty broad and worthless term. Many ingredients can stimulate lipolysis or oxidation of fats, yes. ECA will unquestionably yield superior fat loss results versus taking nothing
 
Mitch5 said:
I'm confused... People always buy "thermogenic fat burners per say" most are loaded with caffeine, what else in it really "burns" fat. Like is there a specific one worth taking, example: oxyelite pro, hydroxycut, redline..etc... I know people say acai berry is good , but does any of this actually burn fat
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yohimbine hcl, alpha yohimbine, geranium oil, caffeine for synergy sake, ephedrine hcl, ma huang (alkaloids)

usnic acid (sodium usinate), then most others are great for mental edge for decreasing appetite.

-Matt
 
Ok I see.. So if I was starting a cut and wanted to take one product that had a lot of these/have the most benefit to this what would you guys recommend ?
 
Dexaprine will suppress your appetite and give you energy for hours. It'll help, but diet is key.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
"Burning fat" is a pretty broad and worthless term. Many ingredients can stimulate lipolysis or oxidation of fats, yes. ECA will unquestionably yield superior fat loss results versus taking nothing
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This.

OP i would check out Alphamine if you're looking for a legit "OTC" fat burner.
 
kevinhy said:
This.

OP i would check out Alphamine if you're looking for a legit "OTC" fat burner.
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That's why I wrote it skeptically cause I don't buy that it really "burns fat" reduce appetite maybe, and maybe thermogenically increase metabolism.
I've looked at alphamine, is there really anything spectacular in it?
 
There are plenty of good fat burners out there, but for my money nothing has beat ECA stack yet. I realize that might not be the choice everyone can make for various reasons, but imo it still remains the champ unless someone wants to go the non-stim route. The fact it also happens to be cheaper than almost every other thermo on the market doesn't hurt either.
 
Geoforce said:
There are plenty of good fat burners out there, but for my money nothing has beat ECA stack yet. I realize that might not be the choice everyone can make for various reasons, but imo it still remains the champ unless someone wants to go the non-stim route. The fact it also happens to be cheaper than almost every other thermo on the market doesn't hurt either.
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Is it even legit anymore? I know a lot of the ephedrine is fake, how do you know?
 
Mitch5 said:
That's why I wrote it skeptically cause I don't buy that it really "burns fat" reduce appetite maybe, and maybe thermogenically increase metabolism. I've looked at alphamine, is there really anything spectacular in it?
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Higenamine - Beta agonist (ephedrine also being a beta agonist)
Yohimbine standardization - A-2 antagonist (essentially shuts off the "stubborn body fat" receptor)
Chlorogenic acid - Insulin mitigation
Caffeine
HICA - Keeps protein synthesis up, allowing more LBM to be retained under severe dieting conditions
.....the list goes on.

Its not the same caffeine, 1,3-DMAA, blah blah blah blend on the market. Simply checking out some of the review threads will provide enough information for you to make a better decision on the products efficacy.
 
some ppl (such as myself) cannot tolerate yohimbine..as a stand-alone, it will wreck my world. :(

ECA, never had any issue with whatsoever.
 
Rodja said:
A=aspirin
Y=yohimbine
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Ik what they were. I was wondering what difference do they have? Ik some people can't tolerate yohimbe but what If someone can which should one choose?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
If you can tolerate it, do ECA + yohimbine
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Oh wow really? Didnt know u can. Good to know. Might give it a try come spring time. Add a test booster right? To gain strength?
 
Erase pro would be sick with ecy I bet
 
halfhuman said:
Oh wow really? Didnt know u can. Good to know. Might give it a try come spring time. Add a test booster right? To gain strength?
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Testboosters are best used deeper into a cut when testosterone levels naturally fall from a prolonged hypoenergetic state
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Testboosters are best used deeper into a cut when testosterone levels naturally fall from a prolonged hypoenergetic state
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Is there still a noticeable advantage to using one at the beginning, or is it a waste of money compared to benefits in your opinion?

I'm on aromasin right now and in 1 week I will be switching to erase and pretty excited to see how it works
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Testboosters are best used deeper into a cut when testosterone levels naturally fall from a prolonged hypoenergetic state
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Basically run the ECA+Y for 6 weeks than say go for a test booster and erase?
 
Mitch5 said:
Is there still a noticeable advantage to using one at the beginning, or is it a waste of money compared to benefits in your opinion? I'm on aromasin right now and in 1 week I will be switching to erase and pretty excited to see how it works
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Certainly, it just depends on the product. There are certain testboosters/AIs that work better when your levels are higher (erase, divanil, etc) and certain ones that work better when your levels are lower (DAA, longjack, etc).
 
halfhuman said:
Basically run the ECA+Y for 6 weeks than say go for a test booster and erase?
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You can run ECY for up to 12 weeks if you can tolerate it. Testbooster + erase is always a safe bet. Dose Erase at 100-125mg on an empty stomach, first thing in the morning. I'm also big on Reduce XT at the tail-end of a cut since cortisol spikes become more prominent as "stress" (aka lack of calories) builds up.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
You can run ECY for up to 12 weeks if you can tolerate it. Testbooster + erase is always a safe bet. Dose Erase at 100-125mg on an empty stomach, first thing in the morning. I'm also big on Reduce XT at the tail-end of a cut since cortisol spikes become more prominent as "stress" (aka lack of calories) builds up.
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Oh wow. Didn't know much on ECY I appreciate the shared knowledge. I had no idea it can be ran for 12 weeks. I'm def going to give it a run in te future. I love erase. Sounds good.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
You can run ECY for up to 12 weeks if you can tolerate it. Testbooster + erase is always a safe bet. Dose Erase at 100-125mg on an empty stomach, first thing in the morning. I'm also big on Reduce XT at the tail-end of a cut since cortisol spikes become more prominent as "stress" (aka lack of calories) builds up.
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Im feeling arthritic just reading your Erase recommendation.
 
I seem to respond best to Alphamine and Shift for fat burning effects, I've tried the ECA and my body doesn't take well to a high amount of Ephedrine.
 
MattPorter said:
^ depends on your state

-Matt
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Could you elaborate please? Interested in gaining some knowledge if your willing to share.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
what constitutes a "fat burner" as you say? what do you speak of?
you compare a singular ingredient (caffeine) to an entire sub-category of products.
"fat burners" are a general topic, with many different structures and compounds.
is caffeine "the best" if you want to "burn fat"?
quite simply - no.
can caffeine be a useful adjunct in fat-loss goals?
sure. ECA stack is considered by many to be among the best and simplest options out there...

can all ppl use caffeine or tolerate ECA?
no.

if you don't like the idea of "fat burner" products, don't use them. :shrug:
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This. I take green tea which is a fat loss supplement but it's also very good for other things. Some of these fat loss supplements have multiple benefits
 
If diet and training are in check, they really speed things up if you find out what work for you.
 
The fat burning patch is freaking amazing. One of my buddy that is very very fat and does not exercise and has not changed his diet to much and still lost 8 pounds. So to answer your question I know the age force fat burner works!
 
djbombsquad said:
The fat burning patch is freaking amazing. One of my buddy that is very very fat and does not exercise and has not changed his diet to much and still lost 8 pounds. So to answer your question I know the age force fat burner works!
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You wouldn't catch so much flack if you didn't make dumb claims like this. Sorry for being brutally honest but I know many others here feel the same way. In the future, realistic feedback and explanations of how the product works will go far.
 
Makes me hate my country, I cant buy anything from the ECY stack haha.

Is Yohimbe the same/ similar to Yohimbine? I assume Alphamine has this? Just wondering if I can import it or not...
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Sorry for being brutally honest
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one should always be held accountable for their actions..no apology necessary.
the brutal part - well, that's a pc issue, and as an adjective is open to personal opinion of course. :D

Jiigzz said:
Is Yohimbe the same/ similar to Yohimbine?
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yohimbe is the plant form, herbal, as in holistic medicine..it has many different alkaloids, and for use purely as alpha-2 antagonist intent, is inferior to yohimbine.

yohimbine hcl is the pure pharmaceutical form of the compound, and isolated to the alpha-2 antagonist, meaning it inhibits the effect of alpha-2 receptors.

if you want to use it for weight loss, yohimbine is the way to go..
if you want to use as a sexual aid, yohimbe conversely may be better.

think of the old ephedra (plant)/ephedrine(pharma) differentiation..
or, citrus aurantium (bitter orange, plant)/synephrine (pharma).

(i do miss ephedra tho - the good stuff, not the weak ephedra extracts) :(
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
one should always be held accountable for their actions..no apology necessary.
the brutal part - well, that's a pc issue, and as an adjective is open to personal opinion of course. :D


yohimbe is the plant form, herbal, as in holistic medicine..it has many different alkaloids, and for use purely as alpha-2 antagonist intent, is inferior to yohimbine.

yohimbine hcl is the pure pharmaceutical form of the compound, and isolated to the alpha-2 antagonist, meaning it inhibits the effect of alpha-2 receptors.

if you want to use it for weight loss, yohimbine is the way to go..
if you want to use as a sexual aid, yohimbe conversely may be better.

think of the old ephedra (plant)/ephedrine(pharma) differentiation..
or, citrus aurantium (bitter orange, plant)/synephrine (pharma).

(i do miss ephedra tho - the good stuff, not the weak ephedra extracts) :(
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Great clarification. I will also add the yohimbe is superior for appetite suppression because certain alkaloids induce nausea :D
 
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