uvawahoowa
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dsohei said:
Interested to see what they say
primaforce creatinol-o-phosphate dosage???
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Interested to see what they say
T-Bone
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mw1
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T-Bone
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dsohei
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this is what they say:
"Thank you for contacting us with your question Darius. We have thoroughly investigated your email to find a definitive answer. There was error in the label creation process. The material we use is 99.75% pure Creatinol-o-Phosphate, above the industry standard. As with all Primaforce bulk powders there are no fillers so the product you have is 99.75% pure COP. The label should have listed 2g per serving, there are approximately 500mg per scoop if filled to the line. The person who signed off on that label is no longer with us so I can only assume he read 500mg per scoop rather than per serving. We will be making the necessary changes to our label on the next run of this product! We greatly appreciate you bringing this to our attention and would like to send you a bottle of COP free as a way of showing this appreciation. I look forward to hearing back from you and hope you are having a great day!"
anyone care to translate? lol
"Thank you for contacting us with your question Darius. We have thoroughly investigated your email to find a definitive answer. There was error in the label creation process. The material we use is 99.75% pure Creatinol-o-Phosphate, above the industry standard. As with all Primaforce bulk powders there are no fillers so the product you have is 99.75% pure COP. The label should have listed 2g per serving, there are approximately 500mg per scoop if filled to the line. The person who signed off on that label is no longer with us so I can only assume he read 500mg per scoop rather than per serving. We will be making the necessary changes to our label on the next run of this product! We greatly appreciate you bringing this to our attention and would like to send you a bottle of COP free as a way of showing this appreciation. I look forward to hearing back from you and hope you are having a great day!"
anyone care to translate? lol
mattys4
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looks good to me. thats what i thought 4 scoops = 2g COP
dsohei
Member
funny thing: 1 full scoop weighs 1 gram, so i guess its better to weigh it out than trust the scoop as density can be higher than they assume.
soontobbeast
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i can't believe this much discussion went into something so dumb.
why would anyone use scoopers with digital scales available?
why in the world would anyone measure milligrams with a scooper?
d=m/v
i guess if you're not accustomed to buying powders, you don't realize how much volume varies based on density
why would anyone use scoopers with digital scales available?
why in the world would anyone measure milligrams with a scooper?
d=m/v
i guess if you're not accustomed to buying powders, you don't realize how much volume varies based on density
T-Bone
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They did say "filled to the line" so maybe there is a line inside the scoop that would be the 500mg mark. Sounds like the guy who made the labels just screwed up and he is gone now so they took care of it. Also they offered to send you a free tub which was really nice of them. Great customer service right there. That is only one of the many reasons I love a trust the primaforce brand.
uvawahoowa
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T-Bone said:
I'm surprised such a large company could make a basic mistake like that...
hmmoreno
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That's why they say approximately 500mg per scoop if filled to the line, that appears to be the same size as the scooper on the alcar tub which is 500mg
dsohei
Member
im pretty sure their offer of a free bottle is lip service. if i ever receive such a gift i will post it here.
mr.cooper69
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PLCAR is very nice but it works on a very different system than COP
BurghHardcore
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HAHA!!! Thank god someone else said it. It doesn't take rocket science to deduce that at a 2g serving size, being 4 scoops, that it's 500mg per scoop "when filled to the line of course". I'm not saying the label wasn't confusing, b/c it sure as hell was, but my goodness folks....you'd think they delivered you baking soda based on this reaction...
It happens....If I recall correctly even Primordial Performance had their Toco 8 labeled incorrectly for a short period. Please anyone feel free to correct that statement if I'm wrong and I'll edit my post. It can happen from batch to batch, when labels change, when ingredients change. It sucks but it's not unheard of.
Give them a chance to redeem themselves there first slick. Awfully negative for receiving an email that, even though it didn't seem like you followed it well, addressed your concern pretty thoroughly. I'd give it 10 business days and then if you still don't have. Unleash the Kraken...
BurghHardcore
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Jags? You from Pittsburgh? Just asking b/c I am....never heard anyone outside of the Burgh use that saying. Anyway...I just found this thread yesterday and commented. All I had to do was look at the picture of the label to deduce what was going on. Not trying to be a d*ck, just sayin....
Don't really appreciate being called a "Jag" (unless it means something cool that I don't even know about yet) for simply replying to a few posts. As I said, calm down, your problem has been fixed. Go on enjoying your COP.
T-Bone
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Why so hostile? The company seems to be addressing your problem and even offered you a bottle free of charge. I guess you can't please everyone though...
dsohei
Member
im not hostile, i am saying my opinion which is - it took them a long time to respond, and saying theyll give me a free bottle is marketing tactics 101. even if they never send it, many people will feel happy that they even typed it in. it's psychology.
BurghHardcore
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I think anyone can understand that you'd be upset it took them so long to get back to you. Understand though, just b/c this is a smaller company (in the grand scheme of things), doesn't necessarily make them more efficient or more able to address customer concerns in a quick manner. It COULD have the opposite effect. It sucks it took them so long, but at least they finally did get back.
No one will be satisfied if they promised you a free bottle and you never get it. IMO, that's when you really have the right to be upset. Keep us updated. Like I said before, it might take a while for that too.
T-Bone
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We don't know if he accepted the offer of the free bottle and gave his mailing address to them though.
domore
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Alright, I decided to settle this. I measured out some Primaforce COP and weighed it on my scale. My scoop (the one provided by Primaforce), filled to the top, weighs out to 1 gram of COP.
So, 2 full scoops gives you 2 grams of COP.
bananaClip
Member
im taking primaforce COP and i think its great
i have no doubt sns COP is just as good, cause im taking sns agmatine
i remember seeing primaforce post a analysis of certificate showing their COP is legit
cause a lot of ppl were worried they had bunk because their **** didnt bubble up
to OP, most bulk supplements in my experience are never 100% with what the label says.
my bulk aakg, it says 1 scoop is 2g(filled to the line im guessing)its actually 2.5g most of the times.
i guess if you want to be as precise as possible youd have to weigh out every scoop
i have so many bulk powders i cannot be ****ed to do that.
i do it once just so i have an idea
i have no doubt sns COP is just as good, cause im taking sns agmatine
i remember seeing primaforce post a analysis of certificate showing their COP is legit
cause a lot of ppl were worried they had bunk because their **** didnt bubble up
to OP, most bulk supplements in my experience are never 100% with what the label says.
my bulk aakg, it says 1 scoop is 2g(filled to the line im guessing)its actually 2.5g most of the times.
i guess if you want to be as precise as possible youd have to weigh out every scoop
i have so many bulk powders i cannot be ****ed to do that.
i do it once just so i have an idea
fightbackhxc
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squatting said:
I know I am a Rep and my view will always be considered bias but I disagree with this statement. The quality of our agmatine trumped the primaforce and my brother even mentioned the same thing.