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Jack3d Micro FORMULA help me breakdown.

FitModel

FitModel

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Found the new formula, help me analyze:

USPLabs Jack3d Micro
1 scoop (3.65 g)
serving is 1-2 scoops (breakdown below is 1 scoop)


eNOS super Performance System 2247 mg


L-Citrulline - Amino Acid - by-product of Arginine. etc. synergistic with Arginine? (guess: 1000mg)

Arginine Nitrate - More effective then AAKG? I know many company's are adding Nitrate (creatine Nitrate, arginine nitrate etc...) (guess: 800mg)

Agmatine Sulfate - Increases NO production. Obviously the new "pump" ingridient. I like it and find it effective. (guess: 400mg)

Grape Seed (95% proanthocyanidins) Extract - anti oxident. contains resveratrol. Vasodialator. Potential (very weak) AI (guess: very little)






CNS Contractile Stimulant System 182 mg


Caffein - Obvious. (guess: 150mg. Making 2 scoops 300mg)

Norcoclaurine HCI (Norcoline) - What the heck is this?
3,4 - Dihydroxcinnamic Acid - not clue?
"but no clinical effects have been demonstrated in humans."..."Caffeic acid, which is unrelated to Invalid Link Removed"Wikipedia (Caffeic Acid)


Vitamin C 50mg





Looks like most of the stims will be from the caffein but I don't know what the other two ingridients are. Scoops/servinings will definitly be "micro" lol. I would think most people will be using 2 scoops (pretty easily). Glad they included Agmatine, not sure why they also included Arginine but no Beta Alanine. I would have done Beta Alanine but no Arginine.

Obviously my breakdown of mg per scoop as just a guess.
 
I've been beta testing this product. I've honestly never been so impressed with a preworkout. The energy is very clean, pumps are intense ,strength has increased significantly, and my stamina in the gym has been incredible.
 
bdcc said:
Why not? I think the formula is solid.
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No creatinol o phosphate, no lclt, no Rhodia, no focus ingredients. These are what I tend to look for in a preworkout. Everyone's different and those are ingredients I tend to look for in a pre.
 
bdcc said:
Why not? I think the formula is solid.
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I agree, I think it looks very effective.

JonRubio said:
No creatinol o phosphate, no lclt, no Rhodia, no focus ingredients. These are what I tend to look for in a preworkout. Everyone's different and those are ingredients I tend to look for in a pre.
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Meh, I'm not really a fan of any of those in a preworkout. I would also assume the stimulants in this provide plenty of "focus".
 
The one question i have since it didnt say on the directions, do you take this on off days too or strictly trainings days only?
 
3clipseGT said:
The one question i have since it didnt say on the directions, do you take this on off days too or strictly trainings days only?
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5 days a week, 20 workouts at 2 scoops. A month supply.

You could workout 7 days a week on a pre workout, but if you are, you are going somehting wrong.
 
I have no experience with the focus blend but the pump blend is exactly what I would look for.
 
Yeah I'm not bashing it in anyway. I just don't like stims for focus. I'm just more of a fan of things like focus XT. Basically, Caffeine being the only stimulant I like to have.
 
JonRubio said:
No creatinol o phosphate, no lclt, no Rhodia, no focus ingredients. These are what I tend to look for in a preworkout. Everyone's different and those are ingredients I tend to look for in a pre.
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I agree in part...some lclt and/or alcar and COP or beta alanine would have been a good add. Otherwise, not bad dependent on dosing
 
diezel said:
I've been beta testing this product. I've honestly never been so impressed with a preworkout. The energy is very clean, pumps are intense ,strength has increased significantly, and my stamina in the gym has been incredible.
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Are you getting the same effect everyday? When Jack3d came out i liked it but i would have to cycle it take for two or three days then switch to a caffein based fat burner for a few days to keep myself from becoming immune, as with any pwo, im now taking 1mr and if i take it for more then 4 days in a row max i start to not get anything from it.
 
USPowders said:
Actually you do, well at least with one two of the ingredients.
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Not with the blend as a whole. I can trust the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. :)

I often dabble with the ingredients in the pump blend or variations of them.
 
since i am sensitive to stimulants, this actually looks like a very solid pre, that would go well with my iforce compete.. I may have to give it a try..
 
bdcc said:
Not with the blend as a whole. I can trust the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. :)

I often dabble with the ingredients in the pump blend or variations of them.
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3,4 dihydro isn't a CNS stimulant (in humans)...you telling me you've never stacked caffeine with alpha t2???? :D
 
Pump formula is sexy.

I don't know about the stimulant formula cus I have no experience or never even heard of any of the ingredients except caffeine. But that's why I like it and maybe will try it out someday.

I'm wondering if this will be the new Craze.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
3,4 dihydro isn't a CNS stimulant (in humans)...you telling me you've never stacked caffeine with alpha t2???? :D
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Yawn. I said I hadn't experience with the blend as a whole, it is part of the blend. Stop trying to nitpick lol.
 
JonRubio said:
No creatinol o phosphate, no lclt, no Rhodia, no focus ingredients. These are what I tend to look for in a preworkout. Everyone's different and those are ingredients I tend to look for in a pre.
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The aim of a good product isn't to put every ingredient they can in, but to make the most efficient product while keeping price reasonable. You can add them if you want, but try it first to see if it needs them.

nattydisaster said:
Stack with Modern BCAA?

Ive never understood BCAAs in a preworkout simply for the reason preworkouts are taken on workout days only, BCAAs taken daily
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This! I can understand them but nice to be able to control the dose and you never know for the most part if you're getting a decent dose with a pre.
 
I personally find the formula a HUGE improvement over the original. Citrulline and nitrates are both proven ergogens, and both appear to be well-dosed at 2 scoops. Agmatine plays a nice regulatory role and could prevent detrimental BP fluxes. The stim blend won't knock you off your heels but it will actually, if not a little transiently, increases lipolysis.
 
kswiss said:
Are you getting the same effect everyday? When Jack3d came out i liked it but i would have to cycle it take for two or three days then switch to a caffein based fat burner for a few days to keep myself from becoming immune, as with any pwo, im now taking 1mr and if i take it for more then 4 days in a row max i start to not get anything from it.
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The feeling on Jack3d Micro is very different than Jack3d. Every workout is amazing. I just started stacking with Test Powder 5 days a go. I thought Jack3d Micro alone was great. But now I feel inhuman.
 
USPowders - Can you offer us some additional info on the ingredients I was unable to distinguish (ie. Norcoline and the 3,4 )?

In my opinion it looks like a solid product, I think the pumps will be good (with 2 scoops) and the energy/stims will be descent (based off the caffeine content alone)

I already ordered some off the website so I'll be able to try it for myself very soon.

USPowders said:
Actually you do, well at least with one two of the ingredients.
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Ahh that's better I saw online a post saying only 30 scoops. I'm glad you guys fit 40 in there.
 
USPowders said:
5 days a week, 20 workouts at 2 scoops. A month supply.

You could workout 7 days a week on a pre workout, but if you are, you are going somehting wrong.
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Thats what i figured just wanted to be sure. The IC deal was sick as usual so of course i picked myself up some!
 
im actually very impressed/excited for this. im not a big fan of PWO's where they throw a little bit of everything in, nor am i fan of them with crazy amounts of stims or with 1,3 (why i quit taking jack3d to begin with), so this may be right up my alley.

also, as someone who has to keep an eye on their blood pressure, i like the addition of nitrates, agmatine and grape seed extract (although im planning on trying some GSE in higher doses than whats probably provided in this as a blood pressure supplement). also, norcoline ISNT SUPPOSED to be vasoconstrictive or raise blood pressure, another plus for me, although i havent read a whole lot on it.


this will probably be my next PWO choice, although, i only use PWO's about twice a week, and ive got an entire tub of no xplode left, so it'll probably take me like 6 months until i need it haha (yall can bash all you want, but the green apple xplode tastes incredible, i just throw a couple extra scoops of taurine in, a scoop of agmatine, and im happy, haha)
 
Im very impressed as well. A friend of mine beta tested it and absolutely loved it.

It's obviously geared more toward focus endurance energy and pumps for your immediate workout.

Other ergogenics like creatine, beta alanine, bcaas are not necessarily going to do much for you if taken pre workout. Creatine and beta alanine build up in your system over time and should be taken daily and not necessarily pre workout, IMO.

The formula is direct and straight to the point... A pre workout.

I've heard the stim is promising but I've yet to try it myself.

Congrats on what looks to be a solid product USP.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I personally find the formula a HUGE improvement over the original. Citrulline and nitrates are both proven ergogens, and both appear to be well-dosed at 2 scoops. Agmatine plays a nice regulatory role and could prevent detrimental BP fluxes. The stim blend won't knock you off your heels but it will actually, if not a little transiently, increases lipolysis.
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The Stim/Focus is going to surprise many.....Not 1,3 by any means, but the motivation to lift and lift heavy is there...Hard to explain.

There is a definite increase in body temperature..
 
Quick question: will this be stackable with the new DominATP?
 
FitModel said:
USPowders - Can you offer us some additional info on the ingredients I was unable to distinguish (ie. Norcoline and the 3,4 )?

In my opinion it looks like a solid product, I think the pumps will be good (with 2 scoops) and the energy/stims will be descent (based off the caffeine content alone)

I already ordered some off the website so I'll be able to try it for myself very soon.
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Norcoline is a beta-adrenergic agonist and 3,4-dihydroxycinnamic acid is caffeic acid.
 
In my extensive testing with caffeine and higenamine (norcoclaurine), I have found there to be a significant beta-agonist feel in just a single dose. Feels like my chest opens up and my endurance kicks into overdrive. Not just cardio endurance, but being able to train longer with the iron.

Wondering if any of the beta-testers have noticed this. I havent had time to follow
 
As soon as mine gets here I will let you know.
 
nattydisaster said:
In my extensive testing with caffeine and higenamine (norcoclaurine), I have found there to be a significant beta-agonist feel in just a single dose. Feels like my chest opens up and my endurance kicks into overdrive. Not just cardio endurance, but being able to train longer with the iron.

Wondering if any of the beta-testers have noticed this. I havent had time to follow
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I wasnt a beta tester and i havnt used jack3d micro yet but when i would take AT2 with some caffeine i felt my endurance and breathing ability shot up two fold atleast.
 
When he said CheapUK did you think he said CheapAustralia? ;)
 
bdcc said:
When he said CheapUK did you think he said CheapAustralia? ;)
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Your love for Aussie land makes me blush Ben hahah
Send some to us Convicts please hahahah.

Thx Ben.top bloke ;)
 
Haha!

As a compromise Chris I am happy for you to buy some and ship it to my house. I will tell you exactly what it is like with such a detailed review you 'feel' like you have taken it yourself.
 
bdcc said:
Haha!

As a compromise Chris I am happy for you to buy some and ship it to my house. I will tell you exactly what it is like with such a detailed review you 'feel' like you have taken it yourself.
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I think you would be too.preoccupied watching great Britain lose to us in hockey :)
 
runner_79 said:
I think you would be too.preoccupied watching great Britain lose to us in hockey :)
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Sorry mate, I was too busy watching how high our tiny country is in the medals table to even notice that was happening!
 
bdcc said:
Sorry mate, I was too busy watching how high our tiny country is in the medals table to even notice that was happening!
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I thought this was.about participation hehehe...
How is the Devonshire tea and Scones?

How's the biosig bud? My umbilical is coming down. Subscapular is up and calf is up but all others are down...
 
How strong are the stims in the this. Would this be suitable for someone who has weakened adrenals and is stim intolerant?
 
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