996ttelise
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Got mine just now. 10 minutes after a scoop definitely have the slight numbing cloraseptic feel on back of throat. About to do chest and triceps. Gonna find out what all the buzz is about.
DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action
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Patrick Arnold
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996ttelise
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Grape kool aide.
Patrick Arnold
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996ttelise
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Funny shyt. Oh geez, I am yawning. I must be ADD because I don't even feel good on Adderal. Hopefully treadmill wake me up.
996ttelise
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Haha, that shyt for real! Damn good PWO. I know enough from my designer drug days that something familiar. You think your straight, but you kind of whacked. Alot like a suboxone which people swear don't make them high as they are talking nonstop and doing funny shyt with their jaw. Like it though.
AutoKal47
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What's up with the funny stuff with the jaw? I'm asking because sometimes I noticed that
I find myself like "biting air".. I've never done any drug in my life so I wouldn't know
if it's similar to anything else. I'm curious tho', why the jaw? what causes that behavior/reaction?
DAdams91982
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"Jawing" is a common effect from amphetamines and amphetamine based drugs (Such as Ecstacy).
Geoforce
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I think my girlfriend must be using then. Rimshot!
DHT420
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Ouch?
Geoforce
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I meant talking, but the oral sex road is also an obvious conclusion.
996ttelise
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Chicks must just have a natural IV drip of amphetamines or MDMA because they all cannot stop jawing.
andrew732
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The funny thing is I get this all the time, whether it be from listening to music or drinking a small cup of coffee, or wanting to fuc someone up. I don't know, maybe just produces a toxic amount of dopamine lol
Daycrawler
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This is experienced with MDMA or Ecstasy.
Hence why many friends have been prevented from entering clubs as their mouths are jawing.
smt1
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Force of Green
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Yes, everyone pretty much hit the nail on the head with the associated side effect of amphetamines, bruxism, etc. Usually anything that causes excess dopamine and nor-epinephrine in the brain will have dopamine 'leak' into other areas of the brain that will cause this and other effects most commonly known as 'tweaking'. Such effects like abnormally high OCD behavior will disappear after cessation, however, in extreme cases of OCD and such that is permenant, patients will opt for a lobotomy.
AutoKal47
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Oh ok, lol this explains a lot
Disturbed sleep patterns: checked. I always have
Malocclusion: checked, slightly
High levels of consumption of caffeine/coffee: checked. Always have.
Smoking: checked.
High levels of anxiety stress: checked, irregular work shifts, *very* stressful profession, and
I'm a psycho to begin with so.. yeah.
In this period I'm very very stressed at work, so yeah.. most likely craze is the LAST thing causing it.
Something else I was thinking tho': if craze is all of a sudden discovered to be amphetamine-like,
how comes some people don't get any effect out of it? Because I know I read some reviews people were
saying they didn't get anything....
DAdams91982
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Some don't even get anything from ephedrine. There isn't a one size fits all stimulant out there. Brain chemistry has alot to do with it... have a deficiency of some sort and you will get differing effects. Look at people with ADD.. stimulant drugs affect them in a different way than someone with normal brain chemistry.
AutoKal47
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Makes sense
I've always imagined amphetamines more like an actual increase in strength and/or endurance
than some sort of nootropic effect
Patrick Arnold
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ritalin is a drug in the amphetamine class. some people say they dont feel anything from it (while they are washing their car for the 2nd time that day)
Patrick Arnold
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amphetamines and amphetamine like compounds are the classical treatment for attention deficit disorder. In other words they make you think more clearly and concentrate better - in other words they are nootropic
AutoKal47
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thanks Pat, the whole subject is very interesting
Cogrick2
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I am not sure about Craze, but Carl Lanore said on a recent Superhuman Radio that he saw the test results for the lot in question and it was clear for the tested amphetamine (or amphetamine-like?) compounds.
The supplement works well so I am going to continue using it about twice a week and Clearshot about twice a week. Bulletproof coffee is a staple of my non-Craze days.
The supplement works well so I am going to continue using it about twice a week and Clearshot about twice a week. Bulletproof coffee is a staple of my non-Craze days.
AutoKal47
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oh yeah, I'm interested in the whole matter sure, but I'm still using it, never stopped
Patrick Arnold
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what did they test for
no one is suggesting this stuff contains typical amphetamine like compounds that a lab would screen for
smt1
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So the original lawsuit seems to mention the Federal Analog Act. Unlike some other countries Analogs Acts which are very specific about the substitutions made to something like a PEA or amphetamine backbone, the United States' is pretty vague, no? Does that part of the lawsuit have any basis? IIRC, the Feds went after people selling GBL under the Analog Act, even though structurally isn't really an analog of GHB.
mw1
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Which episode of SHR was that?
Cogrick2
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I think I see your point and I do not know.
Patrick Arnold
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I think the people behind this lawsuit might have just been kinda fishing with that accusation
As far as your question goes I dunno. I doubt there are any specific rules regarding chemical and pharmaceutical similarity. But if I were to write the rules I would get a bunch of speed heads or ex speed heads together and have them take the substance in question. They would be about as accurate as anyone in deciding if its indeed an amphetamine analog (in pharmaceutical activity, which is what really is relevant_
D3Baseball
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Looking through the lawsuit it seems to me they threw in a wide variety of accusations to make sure they'd hit with at least one of them.
Patrick Arnold
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i have read a couple of things that supposedly were comments from the plaintiff. one said amphetamine itself apparently, the other alluded to what i thought was an analog
its confusing
Patrick Arnold
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F355
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WTF is going on???? 1,3 is on the hot seat and now Craze??? This is such fckin BS.
I know for a fact that Craze will NOT make you piss hot. I have been tested MULTIPLE times while using Craze and not once did I come up positive. Hell, I've been tested on the same day that I used Craze and didn't come up positive. I am seriously pissed off hearing about this. No pre-workout comes close to the greatness of Craze, nothing.
It obviously doesn't contain any amphetamine analogs if it doesn't pop up on a damn UA. Some of the compounds MAY look close to it, but the fact is the alpha carbon is not being messed with and I believe that's what matters when it comes to amphetamine analogs. The FDA should not care just as long as the alpha carbon is kept untainted when making PEA-skeleton compounds.
This industry is going to **** with all these fckin lawsuits and BS propaganda.
I know for a fact that Craze will NOT make you piss hot. I have been tested MULTIPLE times while using Craze and not once did I come up positive. Hell, I've been tested on the same day that I used Craze and didn't come up positive. I am seriously pissed off hearing about this. No pre-workout comes close to the greatness of Craze, nothing.
It obviously doesn't contain any amphetamine analogs if it doesn't pop up on a damn UA. Some of the compounds MAY look close to it, but the fact is the alpha carbon is not being messed with and I believe that's what matters when it comes to amphetamine analogs. The FDA should not care just as long as the alpha carbon is kept untainted when making PEA-skeleton compounds.
This industry is going to **** with all these fckin lawsuits and BS propaganda.
Iron_Will
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Yea its weird... They only said it comes to close. But in reality people, we can suck down 400mg of caffeine and feel even better effects if we really want. We can take a **** ton of other things that are overdosed but make it feel drug like. i think from what ive been reading and what i basically just believe in is that everything is dangerous in one form or another. The way you use it is fine. But never abuse it. Never do something too long. Everything in moderation and its fine. Thats why addiction is so bad. Because you basically have a good time with a drug. Yet you do it on a good basis which starts to deteriorate your body. Thats when you know you need to stop.
996ttelise
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Okay, I agree Craze is best PWO ever. Not jittery and can go on and on. I have increased weight on just about everything I do. Kind of get a bit of a headache from it and kind of do feel a little happy for a few hours, but not as buzzed as say a huge dose of caffiene like 4 RPMs.
I don't like 1, 3 at all and was sick of having to do so much caffiene to work out or have energy. I am going to stick up on this stuff as I sure anything designer it strange will end up on the chopping block. Will keep a breast of the findings though as if some is too good to be true, it usually is. I am really curious why Craze works so well. This stuff promotes workouts like PWOs and stuff from late 80s and early 90s without the whacked feeling of being high.
I don't like 1, 3 at all and was sick of having to do so much caffiene to work out or have energy. I am going to stick up on this stuff as I sure anything designer it strange will end up on the chopping block. Will keep a breast of the findings though as if some is too good to be true, it usually is. I am really curious why Craze works so well. This stuff promotes workouts like PWOs and stuff from late 80s and early 90s without the whacked feeling of being high.
MindMuscle12
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and the war continues...
Daycrawler
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D3Baseball said:
Like the product not providing the "lean muscle gains" etc.
Complete pitiful kitchen sink of crap in the complaint.
D3Baseball
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That's why at SAN we promise "bionic" muscle gains...can't sue us when you don't know what it means.
PuZo
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Patrick Arnold
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you seem to be assuming that false positives on an immunoassay can be predicted by looking at a three dimensional chemical structure. Even really good chemists cant do that. the issue of whether something makes you piss positive is a separate issue from the legality issue here with any ingredients
And I think you meant to say DEA, not FDA. DEA would care if its an analog of a controlled substance. FDA would care if its not declared on the label or if it doesnt qualify as a supp etc
JezPudzian
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been taking 5 scoops everyday for past 122 days, ive lost my jaw and my teeth no longer exist but im permanently wired and euphoric! occasionally i stack it with 8 scoops of hemavol pre workout just to make sure i get a pump cos arnie says pump is better than sex and i want to be like arnie. i suppose craze is better than a themogenic stack rightt or maybe i should go back to smashing apsirin, ephedrine, caffeine, ritalin and dex everyday.....
VaughnTrue
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Man...iForce tolls on Bb.com and AM.com?
Score!
Score!
J19891
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Had to lawl at this one.
JezPudzian
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ha i'm not a iforce trolll i lurve hemavol, cant get hold of the powder maximise intense locally though so stacking it with craze.
i took 50 scoops of craze with a sip of water then read through this entire thread in seconds and enjoyed every bit of it. must be all that unknown stuff in craze responsible bro...
but seriously the link to the emails posted is pretty bait. how they transacted to acquire compound etcs isnt a v pleasant read, if those emails are even real that is..
i took 50 scoops of craze with a sip of water then read through this entire thread in seconds and enjoyed every bit of it. must be all that unknown stuff in craze responsible bro...
but seriously the link to the emails posted is pretty bait. how they transacted to acquire compound etcs isnt a v pleasant read, if those emails are even real that is..
JezPudzian
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obvious troll is obvious
F355
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I wasn't assuming anything about false positives, I didn't even mention false positives, rather the opposite. I said that I pissed clean while using Craze. That statement was a response to the post saying that the lawsuit is claiming that it contains amphetamine. What I'm saying is, I pissed clean WHILE using Craze, no false positives, no positives, no nothing. And it wasn't just a regular ole UA kit from CVS or Walgreens. It was registered with and done by Redwood Toxicology, so you know it was a damn accurate test(s). And again, I was tested multiple times. If Craze contained amphetamine, it would've popped up on my tests.
You're right, I meant to say DEA. Maybe, I don't understand what the deal is with this lawsuit. What are they (FDA) exactly trying to go after? The fact that the product as a whole isn't qualified as a dietary supp or specific ingredients? Sorry, I haven't looked at the actual lawsuit. But if they are going after it for containing amphetamine specifically, then they will lose because it clearly doesn't. I know what Adderall feels like it and I don't care what anyone says, Craze doesn't last as nearly as long as Adderall (IR or XR), not even close. Either way, this would put A LOT of products on the brink as a lot of products contain ingredients that probably weren't filed for a NDI, among other things.
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