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DAA without an AI

EArch

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A lot of people suggest running an AI along side DAA, but is it really needed? Its clear that an increase in test will lead to an increase in e2 through the body attempting to maintain homeostasis, the AI could prevent some of this conversion. But how harmful will the increase in estrogen/estrodiol associated with the increase in test from DAA be? fat, bloat, etc. It could be beneficial, libido, joints, etc.

I plan to start DAA in the next few weeks and have already been on an AI (erase) for a while.

I have been doing a lot of research and cannot lock down a clear answer, which makes me think there is not one.

what are your thoughts on DAA with or without an AI? After all DAA is one of the most popular ingredients these days I think its an important question.
 
I have run DAA on two different occasions. In each instance my pre-existing gyno flared-up big time. It took several months on an AI to get it to subside. Some people seem to get by without an AI but if you look at the bloods done while on DAA nearly everyone experiences an increase in E2 and a lower T/E ratio. Therefore, you may want to read Dr. Housers recommendations (Dinoiii) while on DAA. He has ran it for nealy a year and has a wealth of knowledge concerning this product. Moreover, he is about as unbiased as anyone on this forum.
 
DAA without an AI is fine unless you are pre-disposed to get gyno (like the above poster), in which case I would steer away from DAA, and many other testboosters, altogether.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
DAA without an AI is fine unless you are pre-disposed to get gyno (like the above poster), in which case I would steer away from DAA, and many other testboosters, altogether.
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this Ive ran AI Sports DAA for four months now , no situation with the gynoz (hehe=) ) and was always thin as a kid, never had gyno challenges.

Those who were high in bodyfat as children or have any pre existing gyno issues in the past would use an ai. If you have never had gyno your fine in my opinion

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John Smeton said:
this Ive ran AI Sports DAA for four months now , no situation with the gynoz (hehe=) ) and was always thin as a kid, never had gyno challenges.

Those who were high in bodyfat as children or have any pre existing gyno issues in the past would use an ai. If you have never had gyno your fine in my opinion

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I was fatter as a young kid and may have had puberty related gyno at one point, makes me lean towards using an AI with it, and heheh I will be using Anabolic innovations daa so good pic.

Erase, 6 bromo, or triazole are all AI options, but iirc from years back an isomer of 6 bromo could be suppressive. any other AIs I should consider?
 
I'd go erase/Triazole if it were me.
This is one of this things that's very individualized from what I've noticed. I don't have any problems but I've never had problems ever from estrogen really.
Not going to hurt having an AI, though I might just have it on hand and see how it acts on you first.
 
I take an AI whenever possible, whether on a test booster or PH or not.....I know I have too much estrogen just by knowing my body type and years of experience with my body.....so why not take one year round. I never have trouble with joints or any of the side effects at max dosage (max label dosage that is). Some people need it all the time, some people need it some of the time, some people may never need one.... depending on what they run along the test booster/ph line, and their body type.
 
John Smeton said:
this Ive ran AI Sports DAA for four months now , no situation with the gynoz (hehe=) ) and was always thin as a kid, never had gyno challenges.

Those who were high in bodyfat as children or have any pre existing gyno issues in the past would use an ai. If you have never had gyno your fine in my opinion

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I just bought one of these, since the place that had the eviscerate i wanted only had this DAA. It's good right? lol. I think I know your answer. won't run it until my DAA caps run out next week. have you had success with double dose? 6 gram vs 3 gram? I was curious, the label did say one or two scoops....but the suggested dosage I see is usually 3.
 
Grambo said:
I'd go erase/Triazole if it were me.
This is one of this things that's very individualized from what I've noticed. I don't have any problems but I've never had problems ever from estrogen really.
Not going to hurt having an AI, though I might just have it on hand and see how it acts on you first.
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Most of the "issues" have been over exaggerated by a couple companies tha see DAA taking away sales from their own test booster which is why they started recommending their AI's, however L-dopa is he best choice for DAA
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I take an AI whenever possible, whether on a test booster or PH or not.....I know I have too much estrogen just by knowing my body type and years of experience with my body.....so why not take one year round. I never have trouble with joints or any of the side effects at max dosage (max label dosage that is). Some people need it all the time, some people need it some of the time, some people may never need one.... depending on what they run along the test booster/ph line, and their body type.
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Yeah man my body def likes estrogen, unfortunately. I have had success in the past with Erase and will either keep going with that, or give DS triazole a try. I also have access to controlled/prescription AIs but that would seem overkill for my needs. I'm sure some people can get along with DAA and no AI, but like you said its all about knowing your own body.
 
I was always told to run it, and have an AI on hand for if needed, to run it for 12 days and if you feel the nips getting sensitive and etc to start up the AI.
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I take an AI whenever possible, whether on a test booster or PH or not.....I know I have too much estrogen just by knowing my body type and years of experience with my body.....so why not take one year round. I never have trouble with joints or any of the side effects at max dosage (max label dosage that is). Some people need it all the time, some people need it some of the time, some people may never need one.... depending on what they run along the test booster/ph line, and their body type.
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Personally, I love taking AI's just for their standalone benefit. I had glandular gyno as a kid, so I'm pretty confident my estrogen levels are on the higher side. I always compliment my test boosters with an AI (I'm partial to erase but that's me). There's really no reason not to and the AI will have a synergistic effect, further raising your test alongside the DAA.
 
EArch said:
I was fatter as a young kid and may have had puberty related gyno at one point, makes me lean towards using an AI with it, and heheh I will be using Anabolic innovations daa so good pic.

Erase, 6 bromo, or triazole are all AI options, but iirc from years back an isomer of 6 bromo could be suppressive. any other AIs I should consider?
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6-oxo if you can get it-hard to get and one of the best otc ever with a Baylor study to support it-300 mgs is enough. Yes I would use one if I were in your body
 
J19891 said:
Personally, I love taking AI's just for their standalone benefit. I had glandular gyno as a kid, so I'm pretty confident my estrogen levels are on the higher side. I always compliment my test boosters with an AI (I'm partial to erase but that's me). There's really no reason not to and the AI will have a synergistic effect, further raising your test alongside the DAA.
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Too bad guys like us can't sell our estrogen like people sell their blood or semen.....we'd make a frickin fortune.
 
I happen to have a bottle of Inhibit-E from last year's Nutraplanet new year's sale.... I only bought it because it was seriously marked down.... would this be a good AI to run with DAA, or would I be more intelligent to trash it and spring for something like the new Erase???
 
mw1 said:
Most of the "issues" have been over exaggerated by a couple companies tha see DAA taking away sales from their own test booster which is why they started recommending their AI's, however L-dopa is he best choice for DAA
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I ran my DAA with just L-Dopa and was just fine. I agree that it's a bit exaggerated unless you have a pre-existing condition.

John Smeton said:
6-oxo if you can get it-hard to get and one of the best otc ever with a Baylor study to support it-300 mgs is enough. Yes I would use one if I were in your body
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I love 6-OXO and always had great success with it.
 
Marcinator said:
I happen to have a bottle of Inhibit-E from last year's Nutraplanet new year's sale.... I only bought it because it was seriously marked down.... would this be a good AI to run with DAA, or would I be more intelligent to trash it and spring for something like the new Erase???
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Inhibit-E is ATD, which is very effective as an AI. 25-50 mg is plenty for most uses with me. Erase is good as well.
 
Good thread, was planning on starting daa AFTER my anabeta/erase run... Dropped the ball there with my planning.. Was unaware daa stand alone could cause gyno n estro issues. I amvery pre disposedto gyno, bloat, etc all the nasty stuff, so ive really learned to steer clear of stuff That can cause estro increase. Now my question is, what about products that contain i3c like titanium xl.. Would one expect to see gyno flares? I know this is testofen and not daa..

How about Prometheus rising- I have been planning to try this for some time due to the daa, agmatine, forskohii blend.. Again worried about possible estro increases...

I wanted to do prometheus rising plus primal male for one month. Then move to titanium plus recourse for one month.. Thoughts?

Looking forward to your knowledge!
 
chedapalooza said:
Good thread, was planning on starting daa AFTER my anabeta/erase run... Dropped the ball there with my planning.. Was unaware daa stand alone could cause gyno n estro issues. I amvery pre disposedto gyno, bloat, etc all the nasty stuff, so ive really learned to steer clear of stuff That can cause estro increase. Now my question is, what about products that contain i3c like titanium xl.. Would one expect to see gyno flares? I know this is testofen and not daa..

How about Prometheus rising- I have been planning to try this for some time due to the daa, agmatine, forskohii blend.. Again worried about possible estro increases...

I wanted to do prometheus rising plus primal male for one month. Then move to titanium plus recourse for one month.. Thoughts?

Looking forward to your knowledge!
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IC3 is actually a mild AI. DAA is unique in that while it boost test it also boost a lot of other stuff. DAA is the only test booster I can think of that people get concerned over gyno and estro related issues.

I am in the same boat, using erase right now while I cut, so I will need to take a few weeks off before I start DAA as I wanna use an AI with it
 
I'm not saying any of you guys don't have gyno worries but I think it's got blown way out of proportion. Maybe it's due to bad media attention but everybody and their grandpaw seems to have gyno issues trust me I'm no expert at anything but I just dont see daa causing gyno
 
EArch said:
IC3 is actually a mild AI. DAA is unique in that while it boost test it also boost a lot of other stuff. DAA is the only test booster I can think of that people get concerned over gyno and estro related issues.

I am in the same boat, using erase right now while I cut, so I will need to take a few weeks off before I start DAA as I wanna use an AI with it
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Yea. I leave on a cruise tomorrow! So I plAnned a massive cut for this past month and in right where I wann be (3 erase wasn't cuttin it so I moved to 4 and boom) dAily results... But i will be ending it at the end of Jan.. Then the daa was scheduled for feb and march then resume an ai for April/may... Take a break in June, resume julu/august.. Basically two months on ai one month off.. With feb and march being the exception since I want to try daa (never uses it) and prometheus looks good.. I guess I will just have to try it n ifi get some gyno.. It's nothing I haven't lived w for YEARS before discovering ai's! But I would like some feedback on the two possible stacks:

Prometheus rising+primal mAle 30 days

Recourse OR prometheus rising+titanium xl 30 days

If I like the prom rising I would consider another bottle for te 2nd month and keep that as my daa source. If unimpressed or unhappy, I would move to the recourse as my daa source for month two. Ideally I'd like to lay off the ai's until it gets warm again.. No use looking good with a shirt off in the dead of winter while on a bulk IMHO.. I'd rather hit it hard for 2-3 months n look great and have the erase be most effective by using it less often...

Sorry if I tend to ramble guys!
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I just bought one of these, since the place that had the eviscerate i wanted only had this DAA. It's good right? lol. I think I know your answer. won't run it until my DAA caps run out next week. have you had success with double dose? 6 gram vs 3 gram? I was curious, the label did say one or two scoops....but the suggested dosage I see is usually 3.
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I use it and have nothing but great things to say about AI Sports DAA. I have doubled dosed when loading for the first couple weeks and cant say I noticed anything different; although it did give me peace of mind and if its worth it to you i recommend it. That said ,a steady dosing definitely works

mw1 said:
Most of the "issues" have been over exaggerated by a couple companies tha see DAA taking away sales from their own test booster which is why they started recommending their AI's, however L-dopa is he best choice for DAA
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a lot of people recommend L dopa . I take hghpro which has 99% l -dopa in it.

criticalbench said:
highly over exaggerated imo.. no need for an AI with daa.
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for most people agreed

kingjameskjf said:
I ran my DAA with just L-Dopa and was just fine. I agree that it's a bit exaggerated unless you have a pre-existing condition.



I love 6-OXO and always had great success with it.
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agreed

6-oxo is my favorite AI ever, otc or not
 
I personally like using an AI like erase on DAA however I don't feel like it's needed and I do notice anything over 1 cap ED tends to lower my libido.
 
tilldeath said:
I personally like using an AI like erase on DAA however I don't feel like it's needed and I do notice anything over 1 cap ED tends to lower my libido.
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Lolol I'm at 4 erase daily plus libido max... Its um, very strong.. 3 erase I felt nothing.. Weird huh
 
chedapalooza said:
Lolol I'm at 4 erase daily plus libido max... Its um, very strong.. 3 erase I felt nothing.. Weird huh
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may try uping it to 4 then for a few days to see, I don't get sore joints or any other sides @ 3ED.
 
Can DAA be run at night.. Ive been dosing int he morning but find the cortisol/estrogen effects through the day, my Test booster/AI is an evening dose (has ldopa which sends me to sleep!)
Ideally want to take the AI and D-AA at the similar times
 
RogerBob said:
Can DAA be run at night.. Ive been dosing int he morning but find the cortisol/estrogen effects through the day, my Test booster/AI is an evening dose (has ldopa which sends me to sleep!)
Ideally want to take the AI and D-AA at the similar times
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Daa increases cortisol?
 
For me I get het up and stressed, which in turn results in cortisol. So directly, no, indirectly, for some.

"whats your problem man?" - I have no idea
 
It's all about you T/E ratio and since DAA reduces this ratio in most users it only makes sense to supplement with a mild AI. I3C is not an AI, it is an estrogen channeling agent.
 
is the AI with DAA suggestion for those using DAA as PCT or even for those just using it as a "natural" test booster?
 
zoob said:
is the AI with DAA suggestion for those using DAA as PCT or even for those just using it as a "natural" test booster?
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AI with daa would be very beneficial if only looking to boost natural test .. Stack with erase or licogenix for AI

Some users will not need an AI, others will findthey bloat less if they combine the AI with daa... All depends on your body. I would probably run an AI following the daa if possible as well bc personally, daa makes me very Watery due to the increase in t:e ratio... Which is why I only use daa on bulks/winter months
 
BBB said:
It's all about you T/E ratio and since DAA reduces this ratio in most users it only makes sense to supplement with a mild AI. I3C is not an AI, it is an estrogen channeling agent.
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Can go into a little more depth about what that difference is with i3c/estrogen channeling agents
 
chedapalooza said:
AI with daa would be very beneficial if only looking to boost natural test .. Stack with erase or licogenix for AI

Some users will not need an AI, others will findthey bloat less if they combine the AI with daa... All depends on your body. I would probably run an AI following the daa if possible as well bc personally, daa makes me very Watery due to the increase in t:e ratio... Which is why I only use daa on bulks/winter months
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Thanks, I did notice DAA gave me bloat the first time i took it, been running it again for just under 2 weeks now and started taking Triazole with it yesterday. Is that comparable to erase/licogenix ?
 
RogerBob said:
Can DAA be run at night.. Ive been dosing int he morning but find the cortisol/estrogen effects through the day, my Test booster/AI is an evening dose (has ldopa which sends me to sleep!)
Ideally want to take the AI and D-AA at the similar times
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Yes. I took it solely at night for my last pct.

uvawahoowa said:
Can go into a little more depth about what that difference is with i3c/estrogen channeling agents
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I3C is an estrogen modulator so it doesn't eradicate it like a suicide inhibitor would but it helps to keep levels from rising too high.
 
AI's are useless, I do test cypionate and d-bol all the time without AI's. I have a triple E breast cup size now, but on the brightside I can jack off to myself in the mirror. like I said Aromatizing inhibitors, just a buncha balogne. lol jk. On a serious note: only if you have existing gynodo you need an AI while on DAA.
 
RogerBob said:
Can DAA be run at night.. Ive been dosing int he morning but find the cortisol/estrogen effects through the day, my Test booster/AI is an evening dose (has ldopa which sends me to sleep!)
Ideally want to take the AI and D-AA at the similar times
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I dose twice a day to avoid stomach discomfort.
 
zoob said:
Thanks, I did notice DAA gave me bloat the first time i took it, been running it again for just under 2 weeks now and started taking Triazole with it yesterday. Is that comparable to erase/licogenix ?
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Yep should be, never used it personally though
 
John Smeton said:
me three. =) never had any isssues with it, take it after food or with bcaa's and pre workout works for me
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I like doing it with BCAA's too, I don't like the taste of DAA alone but I actually liked it better in the BCAA's I had it with.
 
I've had gyno before years and years back. Im low bodyfat and go rid of it with letro.

I have run DAA without a AI many times and had no issues?

Just asking coz I am about to run d-pol. Is it really that necessary? It raises everything together DHT/test/estrogen not one or the other which is the top cause of gyno anyways (too much estrogen, less DHT etc)
 
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