Mattrag and MankoOyaji's leanville quest with Mdrol/AH
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farmtireguy
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yes I did. Enjoying the maximize v2 and the dexiprine ( actually I think I got used to it after about 3 days don't get the buzz I was)mattrag said:
Manko Oyaji
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Nice work matt! I need to get on the ball. I wonder if I should shift my workouts more towards volume instead of my 5x5 type .. I find myself exhausted if i train for more than an hour and 15. I will see how it goes. I am sorting out my IF and I hope it pays off. Measurements and reference pic to be posted tonight.
mattrag
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Hehe, well you are a sprinter, you'd probably burn me out on the field. I cant run...
Its only going to go up from here
Hmm, I wonder where mine is. You mean the stim effect of the dexiprine wore off?
Try get my pic up too
CJ_Xfit89
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mattrag said:Hehe, well you are a sprinter, you'd probably burn me out on the field. I cant run...
Its only going to go up from here
Hmm, I wonder where mine is. You mean the stim effect of the dexiprine wore off?
Try get my pic up too
Tic for Tac hahahah...thanks man... 100m in 10.8 lol
NuclearLaunch
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mattrag said:Hehe, I think he means 325lbs.
Yeah I know he meant pounds. That would be an ungodly amount of weight.
TurningGreen
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Awesome update back there bro! Your strength is climbing quick. Those bench numbers are impressive 295x4 ?! AWESOME! as for feeling hypo...for the amount of work you do in the gym, I'd say you could definitely get away with some extra cals if you can find the time to stuff them in. I'll have to look back to see how you planned your nutrition, especially as we both use the IF approach. I know at one point I was crashing hard because of constant low carbs, which I fixed by cycling in that refeed! Great work so far my brotha!!
FL3X MAGNUM
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In for noodz
farmtireguy
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mattrag said:
Yeah but then I drink an assload of diet mount dew a day while at work and about a gallon of tea at home.
mattrag
Legend
work out
Sumo dead lift (fatigued)
Bent over rows (why I do these so often.. I donno lol.)
135x20
185x15
225x12
225x10
225x12 Drop -> 185x12 drop -> 135x15
Shurgs
185x25
205x20
295x12
295x12
295x12
295x12
Squats (just tossed um in to get my legs hot)
135x20
205x10
Calf raises
295x12
295x12
295x12
BW pull ups
2x10
Sumo deads (oh yes!)
135x10
185x5
225x5
245x5
265x5
305x5
335x5 PR (HUGE PR, last week I did 315x5, or 3, gotta go back. But Ho man... it was EASY haha)
finished up by nuking shoulders
SS wide/mid/narrow upright rows
45x10
65x10
65x10
done
TOday I switched my diet from LGs, to frequent feedings. More like Layne Nortons, 3-4 big meals and BCAAs in between. Felt loads better lol. I will see how my body reacts this week, hopefully it will be okay. Ill still train fasted on saturday just because I dont have any protein powder to just drink when I wake up... and my body takes forever to digest real food. Looking to make some MEAN PRs on Sat.
Dosing is still the same. I dose it around 12-2 with lunch. along with my standard 3g fish oil, 3g cla, 1g sesamin.
Sumo dead lift (fatigued)
Bent over rows (why I do these so often.. I donno lol.)
135x20
185x15
225x12
225x10
225x12 Drop -> 185x12 drop -> 135x15
Shurgs
185x25
205x20
295x12
295x12
295x12
295x12
Squats (just tossed um in to get my legs hot)
135x20
205x10
Calf raises
295x12
295x12
295x12
BW pull ups
2x10
Sumo deads (oh yes!)
135x10
185x5
225x5
245x5
265x5
305x5
335x5 PR (HUGE PR, last week I did 315x5, or 3, gotta go back. But Ho man... it was EASY haha)
finished up by nuking shoulders
SS wide/mid/narrow upright rows
45x10
65x10
65x10
done
TOday I switched my diet from LGs, to frequent feedings. More like Layne Nortons, 3-4 big meals and BCAAs in between. Felt loads better lol. I will see how my body reacts this week, hopefully it will be okay. Ill still train fasted on saturday just because I dont have any protein powder to just drink when I wake up... and my body takes forever to digest real food. Looking to make some MEAN PRs on Sat.
Dosing is still the same. I dose it around 12-2 with lunch. along with my standard 3g fish oil, 3g cla, 1g sesamin.
mattrag
Legend
Good god!! I dont think anything with caffeine as the main ingredient would work with you lol.
Onlychevy6
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Major props on the pr
mattrag
Legend
Day 5 (still only 4 doses though)
Noticed yesterday that while I was lifting I felt REALLY focused. The concentration I had was intense. When I lifted that 335 for the sumo dead my mind just told my muscles... IT'S TIME! I felt my legs fire and rip the weight off the floor. Was is Mdrol? Probably. I been feeling a lot more focused recently so I think that has something to do with it as well. My strength phase is coming to and end I feel. I don't want to destroy my tendons... I'll most likely be doing some super setting of sorts. Still doing a rep range within the 5-10 range though. I'll be moving up to 10 reps before moving up in weight as to not injure myself via too fast progression in weight. At least it sounds good in my head. My original training schedule was basically this but less emphasis on super setting and more on strength, but after pulling up a 20lb increase in Sumo deads, and a rep increase I think I might jump ahead of myself and actually lift more than I should.... Which I have been known to do...
Noticed yesterday that while I was lifting I felt REALLY focused. The concentration I had was intense. When I lifted that 335 for the sumo dead my mind just told my muscles... IT'S TIME! I felt my legs fire and rip the weight off the floor. Was is Mdrol? Probably. I been feeling a lot more focused recently so I think that has something to do with it as well. My strength phase is coming to and end I feel. I don't want to destroy my tendons... I'll most likely be doing some super setting of sorts. Still doing a rep range within the 5-10 range though. I'll be moving up to 10 reps before moving up in weight as to not injure myself via too fast progression in weight. At least it sounds good in my head. My original training schedule was basically this but less emphasis on super setting and more on strength, but after pulling up a 20lb increase in Sumo deads, and a rep increase I think I might jump ahead of myself and actually lift more than I should.... Which I have been known to do...
taman6886
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Sounds good, but we both know what happens to good "safe" plans when you hit the iron and find yourself on a roll. Caution goes out the window and more plates get tossed on. I love that **** and so do you, but you are right, it takes a toll.
FL3X MAGNUM
Legend
Nice PR there mister!
How many days is this now?
Let me know if you like how the new diet plan works. I am finding it hard to fit in 7-8 meals in a day being so busy. Wouldn't mind 4 meals of 1000 cals and some shakes in there too or something.
How many days is this now?
Let me know if you like how the new diet plan works. I am finding it hard to fit in 7-8 meals in a day being so busy. Wouldn't mind 4 meals of 1000 cals and some shakes in there too or something.
JoHNnyNuTZ
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way to hit that PR man!!!
CountryLiftin
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Whats up guys!
Finally made it on Am a little bit. Ill try to stick around now some more, hahaha.
Finally made it on Am a little bit. Ill try to stick around now some more, hahaha.
mattrag
Legend
PRs felt great! haha. That's why it's so dangerous for me to be on cycle and lift too heavy. I will shoot for a PR till I get injured...
See the above post lol. hahah.
Day 5 now, Day 2 of diet change. I must say I like it much better this way. Could just be because of the increased number of carbs that sdrol can eat up but I feel much better. Even at the same caloric intake. I love it.
Hehe, I will do some refeeding as well! My carb cycling is going to pan out to something like 150g on low days, and 400 on high. Keep the protein at around 300gs and maybe drop um to 250g on high carb days (maybe). Fats will be on the lower end.
Had to switch to a more broken up feeding as the fast was really taking it's toll on me... perhaps i'm just weak but i felt horrid. haha.
Oh yes, just wait soon they will come.
Thanks man! Going for more high volume and drop sets soon so the intensity will drop a bit... sorry guys!!
One day I will be as strong as you are now JoHNny
mattrag
Legend
Thanks for joining up!! Been busy?
SweetLou321
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If your training for strength your warm-up sets are way off. otherwise good stuff.
mattrag
Legend
hehe, it takes me a long time to get "warm". For the deadlift it's mainly strength. But for everything else that day it's for hypertrophy. Usually i'll do a 5x5 for my strength portion and then a 5x8-12 for my hyper movements. I like 5x5 progressing up ward versus a 8x3 where I stay in the higher percentiles for too long. One thing I noticed is that when I trained with doubles and singles my cns died before my muscles. 5x5 I can tax my muscles pretty good as well as get enough out of my CNS to pull the heavier weights and still manage to do a slightly higher volume workout. Either way I dont' follow a WSBB or a 531 type template. My goals are to look leaner vs. be stronger. Though I'm pretty sure mdrol will increase my strength either way
mattrag
Legend
Nah man you are beast! Lol. Conventional deads aren't really my favorite lift... and you do um quite often lol.
RickRock13
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Awesome job on the PRs bro!! :clap2:
Onlychevy6
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FL3X MAGNUM said:
Go with the lean gains diet.
FL3X MAGNUM
Legend
Onlychevy6 said:
I'm scared!!! Hold me...?
Onlychevy6
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FL3X MAGNUM said:
No problem I can hold your hair up when you get sick also. Lmfao... Ha ha ha
CountryLiftin
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yeah, schools busy, workin alot, been going to the gym everyday finally again and also been working on my jeep wrangler alot, haha. I keep busy. Finally got a PR on bench last night, 315
made me think maybe killing myself is really worth it hahaha. I see you and manko are doing well. Im gona try to find time to read up back through the log. keep the good work comin bro.
JoHNnyNuTZ
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One day I will be as strong as you are now JoHNny [/QUOTE]
DUDE!!! All I got is deadlift....i hit 500 pounds last year for one. was at 305. Now Im like 255 trying for 500 again...but...My bench is garbage and squat sucks too...Working on them. Your numbers are quite impressive!!!!
[/QUOTE]DUDE!!! All I got is deadlift....i hit 500 pounds last year for one. was at 305. Now Im like 255 trying for 500 again...but...My bench is garbage and squat sucks too...Working on them. Your numbers are quite impressive!!!!
TurningGreen
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Just for Shiz and Giggles...What do you guys think a respectable 1RM is on a Hex Bar Dead?
JoHNnyNuTZ
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Hmmm..never had a chance to use one of these. Is it harder than conventional deads?
TurningGreen
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JoHNnyNuTZ said:
I find it much easier as you stand inside the bar. It has a much better center of gravity and makes attaining good form...well child's play...IMO
Onlychevy6
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That is a good question. I only get to use this when I go over to kleen's palace. I really like it. And plan on getting one soon.
mattrag
Legend
Quick notes from this weekend's workout
I got 295x5 for bench (PR)
335x5 for conventional deads (PR)
My workout was as follows
Deadlift/Bench press
5x5 style
Incline bench db/DB bent over rows
4x10 (worked up to 46kgs per db)
Machine rows/pull ups/dips
5x10 (Rows were about 160lbs per side, pull ups and dips were bodyweight. )
tricep push downs/hammer curls
4x20 (push downs were pretty light, still did each set to failure. Hammers/Pinwheels were done at 28kgs)
ab crunches/lower back extension
4x15 (31kgs of resistance for abs, and 10kgs held on the extensions)
Was a good workout. Liking supersetting. maybe not super setting the deads and the bench... but it was more like we had a lot of ppl and just rotated the two exercises. Not a true superset. But everything else I pretty much did with very little rest. Good fun.
Still confused on workout... Ill probably just continue on.
I got 295x5 for bench (PR)
335x5 for conventional deads (PR)
My workout was as follows
Deadlift/Bench press
5x5 style
Incline bench db/DB bent over rows
4x10 (worked up to 46kgs per db)
Machine rows/pull ups/dips
5x10 (Rows were about 160lbs per side, pull ups and dips were bodyweight. )
tricep push downs/hammer curls
4x20 (push downs were pretty light, still did each set to failure. Hammers/Pinwheels were done at 28kgs)
ab crunches/lower back extension
4x15 (31kgs of resistance for abs, and 10kgs held on the extensions)
Was a good workout. Liking supersetting. maybe not super setting the deads and the bench... but it was more like we had a lot of ppl and just rotated the two exercises. Not a true superset. But everything else I pretty much did with very little rest. Good fun.
Still confused on workout... Ill probably just continue on.
mattrag
Legend
Notes on today's workout.
Had to switch to sumo squats because my lower back and side erectors are GONE. So sore. So instead of my 5x5 shoulder press and squat day, I just took my shoulder press to 165 x5 (PR), and did my squats supersetted with upright rows. Then did some bw lunges supersetted with front lateral raises, and good mornings with side raises. Nice workout. Relatively fast.
More details will come later lol. Pretty swamped with stuff going on right now. hehehe.
Had to switch to sumo squats because my lower back and side erectors are GONE. So sore. So instead of my 5x5 shoulder press and squat day, I just took my shoulder press to 165 x5 (PR), and did my squats supersetted with upright rows. Then did some bw lunges supersetted with front lateral raises, and good mornings with side raises. Nice workout. Relatively fast.
More details will come later lol. Pretty swamped with stuff going on right now. hehehe.
FL3X MAGNUM
Legend
Keep it up holmes
mattrag
Legend
I gotta get a lot stronger to keep you at bay
Body is just so sore now... I might have to bump up protein intake to around 400gs... Carbs are stuck at about 150-200gs but its not assisting me heal fast enough. BCAAs are at about 20gs a day, plus protein at around 300gs. I may have to go 400g protein.
RickRock13
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mattrag said:I gotta get a lot stronger to keep you at bay
Body is just so sore now... I might have to bump up protein intake to around 400gs... Carbs are stuck at about 150-200gs but its not assisting me heal fast enough. BCAAs are at about 20gs a day, plus protein at around 300gs. I may have to go 400g protein.
I don't see a need for you to go to 400g protein IMO. 300g is a good number and about as high as I would go. 400g would be pretty taxing on the kidneys and I don't think you would see any benefit at the higher amount. I know there is a lot of debate on how much protein a person should get per day, but I tend to agree with the widely accepted 1.2-1.5g per lb of body weight myself. So even at the high end (1.5xbodyweight), a 200 lb person only needs 300g...
Just my .02!
Onlychevy6
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RickRock13 said:I don't see a need for you to go to 400g protein IMO. 300g is a good number and about as high as I would go. 400g would be pretty taxing on the kidneys and I don't think you would see any benefit at the higher amount. I know there is a lot of debate on how much protein a person should get per day, but I tend to agree with the widely accepted 1.2-1.5g per lb of body weight myself. So even at the high end (1.5xbodyweight), a 200 lb person only needs 300g...
Just my .02!
So a fatty like me needs 350. Lol... But to give you an idea on my workout days I was only taking in 275 and non was 180.
RickRock13
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Onlychevy6 said:
Actually that is fine IMO Jeff. Talk to Chris and he will tell you the same. Really 1g per pound is all you need (the 1.2-1.5 is per LBM)...and on non-workout days a lower protein amount is OK since burning is the goal and not building. I was under 1g per lb every now and then on burn days, but usually was around 180-200g with around 250 on build days
Onlychevy6
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RickRock13 said:
Lol brotha rick I was joking about the 350. Lol I was taking less than 300g but you are correct on your formula.
mattrag
Legend
I don't see a need for you to go to 400g protein IMO. 300g is a good number and about as high as I would go. 400g would be pretty taxing on the kidneys and I don't think you would see any benefit at the higher amount. I know there is a lot of debate on how much protein a person should get per day, but I tend to agree with the widely accepted 1.2-1.5g per lb of body weight myself. So even at the high end (1.5xbodyweight), a 200 lb person only needs 300g...
Just my .02!
Yea I really think there is no reason to unless we can process that much. Just wanna make the most of the anabolics im on
I know sdrol is making me retain a whole lot of glycogen though. up more than 10lbs with barely any change in diet. Well bumped up carb intake from about 80gs a day to 150gs a day. Protein is at around 300gs now. Fats around 80-90. So I am in the 2200-2500 zone. Not losing weight for sure.. haha. But not gaining anything (well anything else), just looking a bit puffy. Kinda sad really. But I am damn strong...
mattrag
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Hehe, I think most times thats done using LBM. Though for appetite regulation sometimes 1.5gx BW is good to get the heavier dudes to stop eating so much. Cause 1.5g in chicken breast is pretty rough for someone who is not used to eating that way.
If I go under 200g of protein usually it means that my over all caloric intake is under 1200... mainly because I usually ONLY eat meat on burn days.
Yea, it helps ppl get back on track I think. Studies show that we probably need no more than .8g per kg... or something ridiculously low like that. But I donno, Imma follow what the bro's say and eat at least 1g/lb of bw.
I cheat... I do some high volume stuff for shoulders or arms sometimes after. Or I do the weight REALLY slow so I still get lactic acid build up XD