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Classification of Methasterone (Superdrol) as Schedule III Anabolic Steroid under CSA

JudoJosh said:
No there not it is the companies that are shafting the consumer by selling a methylated steroid and pretending it was somehow legal. All this does is give the FDA a reason why they need ti be more involved and the dietary supplement industry needs more regulation. Again SD was never really legal and honestly I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.


Well the FDA can only regulates the plant, not the product they produce. When a pill bottle says, "FDA approved" that is simply saying their plant meets the requirements. so?
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AdtheRock said:
Well the FDA can only regulates the plant, not the product they produce. When a pill bottle says, "FDA approved" that is simply saying their plant meets the requirements. so?
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Please share with us what "plant" superdrol comes from or better yet what bottle of superdrol do you have that says "FDA approved" on it..

And no they dont regulate plants.. They regulate the products. There rules for dietary supplements are actually pretty lenient (compared to other industries) and companies try to slip one by all the time. It is pretty self regulating at the moment but I would imagine that wont last that much longer especially with all the "tainted", "spiked" and synthetic drugs they sell.

Superdrol is not DSHEA compliant (meaning it does not occur naturally) and thus a drug and requires FDA approval hence illegal from day one. It is also a anabolic steriod hence being listed as a schedule 3 drug now.
 
jbryand101b said:
yea, price is super low, it's thier last lot, they aren't going to make it anymore, so get it while it's cheap.

it's 5mg caps, 90 caps.
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They have it for 15.99
 
Got one bottle of Forged SD Extreme for the 10mg and might pick up a couple Supermass or Methyl-S for 5mg.
 
The document states that you A) have to register with the gov to continue having it in your posession, which means you will need to pay all kinds of fees and prove why you have to have it, which you won't be able to prove, or B) dispose of it. They even give you a number to call for where to drop off the material to dispose of it.
 
bombers said:
Got one bottle of Forged SD Extreme for the 10mg and might pick up a couple Supermass or Methyl-S for 5mg.
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Can you pm me from where to get sd extreme,..
 
JudoJosh said:
Please share with us what "plant" superdrol comes from or better yet what bottle of superdrol do you have that says "FDA approved" on it..

And no they dont regulate plants.. They regulate the products. There rules for dietary supplements are actually pretty lenient (compared to other industries) and companies try to slip one by all the time. It is pretty self regulating at the moment but I would imagine that wont last that much longer especially with all the "tainted", "spiked" and synthetic drugs they sell.

Superdrol is not DSHEA compliant (meaning it does not occur naturally) and thus a drug and requires FDA approval hence illegal from day one. It is also a anabolic steriod hence being listed as a schedule 3 drug now.
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To back what I am saying, do me a favor and simply google "does the FDA regulate vitamins, and supplements" See what you get, first off the FDA is to busy regulating the ungoing food hazards we face everyday to have a predominant foot in this door. However, he FDA can withdraw vitamins (and other supplements and foods) only when danger has been proven. What you're likely thinking of is the way the FDA regulates drugs. The difference can be subtle: a claim to cure a specific disease or treat a certain condition makes something a drug instead of a supplement. For example, if your pill says it will "improve heart function," it's considered a supplement, but if it says "improve hypertension," it's considered a drug.

DRUGs are at minimum regulated by the FDA and often take years, 100's of millions of dollars in trials to prove safety and efficacy, and literally truckloads of paperwork. You or I could sell a SUPPLEMENT we made in our garage tomorrow and the FDA would have no legal power to regulate it.

Technically, the FDA doesn't approve or deny any supplements aside from general vitamins and minerals (those that have an RDA), they aren't "approved". If it was "FDA denied" (eg. contaminated product, bottles not containing the right product, etc), it's removed from the market and/or the company making it gets shuts down.
It's already happened a number of times... one of the biggest cases I can think of is when they banned Tryptophan for around a decade because of a contaminated batch that some people died from. It was banned that long because of misinformation that came up about it and partially from media coverage that spread that got some people thinking that it was the supplement, not the company.

With all that being said, there actually are watchgroups and organizations that do regulate supplements and regularly report to the FDA for any major adverse reactions (and the supplement companies that sell them are supposed to report these as well). The GMP (Good Manufacturing Practices) and USP (U.S. Pharmacopoeia) are the main quality assurance organizations (USP is for the U.S., GMP is for the U.S. and worldwide).
 
AdtheRock said:
To back what I am saying, do me a favor and simply google "does the FDA regulate vitamins, and supplements" See what you get, first off the FDA is to busy regulating the ungoing food hazards we face everyday to have a predominant foot in this door.
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Reading is learning :)

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AdtheRock said:
However, he FDA can withdraw vitamins (and other supplements and foods) only when danger has been proven. What you're likely thinking of is the way the FDA regulates drugs. The difference can be subtle: a claim to cure a specific disease or treat a certain condition makes something a drug instead of a supplement. For example, if your pill says it will "improve heart function," it's considered a supplement, but if it says "improve hypertension," it's considered a drug.
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That applies to if they want to ban a naturally occurring ingredient (such as ephedra) then they have to prove hazardous. They do not have to prove anything if what you are selling is not a naturally occurring ingredient before they pull it. (in this case superdrol)



AdtheRock said:
DRUGs are at minimum regulated by the FDA and often take years, 100's of millions of dollars in trials to prove safety and efficacy, and literally truckloads of paperwork. You or I could sell a SUPPLEMENT we made in our garage tomorrow and the FDA would have no legal power to regulate it.

Technically, the FDA doesn't approve or deny any supplements aside from general vitamins and minerals (those that have an RDA), they aren't "approved".
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Now to recap:

*Dietary supplements are regulated by the FDA (they fall under food)
*Companies are only allowed to sell products with ingredients that occur naturally and have not been chemically altered
*Ingredients that are new or recently discovered must get approval from the FDA
*Yes you can make and bottle something in your garage (lots of companies are actually home based) BUT you can only sell naturally occurring ingredients and NOT synthetic methylated anabolic steroids (superdrol)

The problem is a majority of the rules and regulations fall on the responsibility of the company producing the supplement. The government want the industry to be sort of "self regulated" but what happens is these companies try to sneak synthetic drugs into their products and pretend as if they are some kind of plant extract or they buy their raws from China who are notorious for having contamination problems.

I am done with this back and forth as it is a waste of time. Remember this whole convo started over superdrol and my first statement which you quoted was

" No there not it is the companies that are shafting the consumer by selling a methylated steroid and pretending it was somehow legal. All this does is give the FDA a reason why they need to be more involved and the dietary supplement industry needs more regulation. Again SD was never really legal and honestly I am surprised it lasted as long as it did. "

And unless your next post somehow shows me that superdrol occurs naturally in our food or plant life then it is illegal and a drug which would require FDA approval under the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act .
 
AdtheRock said:
JudoJosh said:
No there not it is the companies that are shafting the consumer by selling a methylated steroid and pretending it was somehow legal. All this does is give the FDA a reason why they need ti be more involved and the dietary supplement industry needs more regulation. Again SD was never really legal and honestly I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.


Well the FDA can only regulates the plant, not the product they produce. When a pill bottle says, "FDA approved" that is simply saying their plant meets the requirements. so?
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This is what the FDA can do:
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...and they dont even have as much backing as the DEA;):)
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mw1 said:
This is what the FDA can do:
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...and they dont even have as much backing as the DEA;):)
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Not as much backing as the DEA but the FDA has recently started working with the FTC when they investigate and prosecute companies The FTC specifically goes after companies based upon the claims made on labels or websites of the company.

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ripped_one said:
Here's a real question. When does this get put into effect? Immediately?
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it is only a proposed rule at the moment but it will pass and end up a controlled substance. The proposal was made this spring so probably sometime next year it will be official.

In other words.. buy now before they are all gone!
 
Why r we arguing about the FDA don't we want them to stay out so we can make our own decisions I mean this is America wtf.
 
You can research what you want, I will read what I read, in honestly neither you or I have any complete insight on a Government Operation. By believing what they are telling you, is only insisting how short minded people really are.
 
This is so sad :(. I guess the only two things we can do is stock up and pray that a stronger DS comes out soon.
 
Stock up on m stane...they still cheap...I wish they bring mrsupp bogo back :D
 
Presa said:
Don't worry guys, we still have Andromass!! Hahahahahahaha...........how fu$king sad.
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Sadly the future of prohormones are DHEA and progestin metabolites. I am sure there will always be fly by companies who are out to make a quick buck and make designer steroids again but my guess is the majority of companies are gonna stay away from it. When you hear things like AX got fined for selling superdrol 6 years AFTER they discontinued it! Actions by the FDA like that I imagine would make most companies think twice before they produce another DS, but again there will always be the fly by company looking to make a buck.
 
mugen112 said:
Can they really make dhea stuff that is that good or is it all marketing?
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I have not personally tried the PP andro products and dont want to speculate on their effectiveness or lack of, but I will say they do a hell of a job marketing them!

Forerunner labs DHEA products also look promising too, but again I have no experience with them and the evidence for them are all really just theory and anecdotals but the write up does look promising.
 
JudoJosh said:
Sadly the future of prohormones are DHEA and progestin metabolites. I am sure there will always be fly by companies who are out to make a quick buck and make designer steroids again but my guess is the majority of companies are gonna stay away from it. When you hear things like AX got fined for selling superdrol 6 years AFTER they discontinued it! Actions by the FDA like that I imagine would make most companies think twice before they produce another DS, but again there will always be the fly by company looking to make a buck.
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Thats is what i find extremely troublesome:(:(
 
mw1 said:
Thats is what i find extremely troublesome:(:(
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Yes it is!

Not sure if it was something AX did that raised a flag with them or if the investigation first started when they were still selling superdrol or if they just have a huge list of companies and are just going through them one by one. Either way, not good news for companies in general.
 
JudoJosh said:
Yes it is!

Not sure if it was something AX did that raised a flag with them or if the investigation first started when they were still selling superdrol or if they just have a huge list of companies and are just going through them one by one. Either way, not good news for companies in general.
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Would make sense if they have a long list... AX does start with "A"
 
Anyone know if ultradrol will b included in this? I read somewhere that it had like 10%SD in it. I havent seen any "blow out" sales on it though so i wasnt sure.
 
nickd783 said:
Anyone know if ultradrol will b included in this? I read somewhere that it had like 10%SD in it. I havent seen any "blow out" sales on it though so i wasnt sure.
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No they are not the same compound but it is still a steroid and will end up banned eventually
 
JudoJosh said:
No they are not the same compound but it is still a steroid and will end up banned eventually
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Im sure its only a matter of time. I just figured i'd bring it up though because i read on another forum that Antaeus labs even confirmed the traces of SD in the raws and if they cant find a way to filter it out totally it would be pulled for good. Just somethin to keep an eye on. :reporter:
 
ultradrol wont be included but the company said they will pull it off the shelves until they find another synthesis route that wont have SD in it or find a way to purify the final product from SD

so the banning of SD will def affect ultradrol for now
 
Holy crap, looks like you guys are just gonna have to sack up and run some test. Expect a thank you card in the mail from your liver.
 
ReyMan said:
This is so sad :(. I guess the only two things we can do is stock up and pray that a stronger DS comes out soon.
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I've said before, it's highly unlikely to be released in the market an oral steroid that will surpass SD any time soon.
A bunch of companies tried to surpass SD and all their efforts burned to the ground - there are many properties that SD has and it makes it so unique that it's very difficult for any steroid to surpass it.
 
Yaz said:
I've said before, it's highly unlikely to be released in the market an oral steroid that will surpass SD any time soon.
A bunch of companies tried to surpass SD and all their efforts burned to the ground - there are many properties that SD has and it makes it so unique that it's very difficult for any steroid to surpass it.
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i very much agree yaz
 
GMG760 said:
Holy crap, looks like you guys are just gonna have to sack up and run some test. Expect a thank you card in the mail from your liver.
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You sure are the King of sack. Because you run Test!! LMFAO

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GMG760 said:
Holy crap, looks like you guys are just gonna have to sack up and run some test. Expect a thank you card in the mail from your liver.
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Another brilliant post. Glad you had time away from sucking sack to contribute to this post.
 
GMG760 said:
Holy crap, looks like you guys are just gonna have to sack up and run some test. Expect a thank you card in the mail from your liver.
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Why do you go to all the Superdrol/Ultradrol threads to say that you think they suck and that everyone should shoot test?? Do you spend your nights going to all the local bars saying you hate beer and vodka and that everyone should drink tea?? lol

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Yaz said:
I've said before, it's highly unlikely to be released in the market an oral steroid that will surpass SD any time soon.
A bunch of companies tried to surpass SD and all their efforts burned to the ground - there are many properties that SD has and it makes it so unique that it's very difficult for any steroid to surpass it.
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Im not too sure about that. I mean look how long it took trenazone to come out after x-tren was banned..

I am sure someone will step up and release more designer steroids in the near future. There is a big market for them and there is always someone some where looking to make a quick buck.
 
vidapreta said:
No Ignorant/Arrogant people make me Mad.

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What was ignorant about his post? I can see why you would call it arrogance but what was ignorant about it?

Injecting test is a far better choice over just about any PH/DS out there and is a hell of a lot safer and effective. I understand not everyone is willing or able to pin (myself included) but some of these designers are down right horrible for you (M1T anyone?)
 
JudoJosh said:
What was ignorant about his post? I can see why you would call it arrogance but what was ignorant about it?

Injecting test is a far better choice over just about any PH/DS out there and is a hell of a lot safer and effective. I understand not everyone is willing or able to pin (myself included) but some of these designers are down right horrible for you (M1T anyone?)
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Methylated oral steroids will always have there place in cycles. To keep searching out the superdrol and Ultradrol threads just so you can say they suck is just ignorant..IMO. this is the second thread that he posted just to say this
.The last thread I saw him post on was... Anyone stocked up on p-mag? He posted" Who the f uck cares if this designer junk gets banned. Stop d icking around and use the real thing. All hail superdrol? What a joke. Man up and use some test"........... He's is brilliant.
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Yaz said:
I've said before, it's highly unlikely to be released in the market an oral steroid that will surpass SD any time soon.
A bunch of companies tried to surpass SD and all their efforts burned to the ground - there are many properties that SD has and it makes it so unique that it's very difficult for any steroid to surpass it.
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Diethyldienolone will surpass it, jake said it's going well on his end, so we should see it soon.
 
JudoJosh said:
Im not too sure about that. I mean look how long it took trenazone to come out after x-tren was banned..

I am sure someone will step up and release more designer steroids in the near future. There is a big market for them and there is always someone some where looking to make a quick buck.
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Never said anything about companies stop producing DS/PHs completely - re-read my post.

jbryand101b said:
Diethyldienolone will surpass it
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Highly doubt it - history has shown many drugs that companies preached religiously that were suppose to surpass SD, everything failed.
 
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