So it is a fact that C20 contains Ursobolic? Also, is there agmatine in it. I am currently using E-Pharm's Ursobolic and have been interested in getting Agmatine powder, but hey, if C20 contains them both maybe i will give them a shot..SJ
No.... it contains Ursolic Acid... Ursobolic is a label name also for ursolic acid... Plus Ursobolic is supposedly getting their Ursolic acid derived from apple peels where USPl is getting their Ursolic (and likely some oleanolic) acid from
Symplocos Racemosa...
It does not contain Agmatine, from what I read on Agmatine, it would stack nicely with C20.
What it contains is 2 components synthesized from cocoa (chocolate) that both increase Camp, target the Beta2 adrenergic receptor, which can burn fat and has a downstream cascade to muscle anabolism... they are basically taking the good aspects of similar compounds like Clen with its beta receptor activation (minus the stimulating effects) and downstream anabolism and amplifying them with synergistic compounds like Ursolic Acid.
If they don't allow chalk there is also a thing called Liquidgrip. I haven't tried it yet, but my buddy just gave me his and said it helped him gain alot of forearm strength and helped his grip overall. I'll be trying this on my back days
Ive read about "liquid chalk" depending on costs and other avenues expended i may try it out...
Im thinking they are related in a way. But dont know for sure. One thing I do know though.. If I could stack this with prime... for cheaper Id do it... And have one hell of a bulk.
Im not sure what your referring "related" to... if the fact they both have ursolic acid? yes, but ones clearly printed on a label the other is in a proprietary blend and we have no idea what other triterpenoids it might be standardized for as well.... if its in reference to agmatine, then no, no agmatine and nothing related in C20, again I think theyd likely stack well from my C20 exp and the info I read on Agmatine...
I also think it will make for a mighty fine stack with Prime, Ill be testing it out after my next cycle and PCT. (although from the MOA I would think that C20 would do great in PCT, id prefer to save it and use it for gains through my "natty periods" or "breaks"
Im sure you can preform a hook grip if lil short oly lifters can. Get a good pair of wrist wraps (not straps, like the ones powerlifters use for bench), I personally have titans titanium 24in (mid) wraps. You wraps them so they are cast like and you hands can barly open. Then you chalk up...a lot, then you dig your palm as hard as you can on the bar, wrap you thumbs under the bar and try to get your middle and pointer fingers around your thumb as much as possible. The pain will be huge, itll take some time to get use to it. Also getting some plaster for your thumbs will help the thumb pain greatly. I personally use a hook grip.
Now your form, your barly have an arch in your back. When you pull your lats/traps are loose, shoulders appear to be infront of the bar, and your hips rise much faster then your shoulders. The deadlift is a HIP dominate movement not a BACK dominate movement. So you need to put more pressure on your hams and glutes and use less lower back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nRRlk6264I&feature=related
Thats awesome info man! thank you for sharing... Im new to the lift so Im still perfecting the form... Really though, I wonder if its the shape of my back or what cause I am really pulling back hard on my shoulders and trying to stick my chest out as far as possible when doing the lift.... again I have a LOT of meat to my back and some big shoulder blades that always stick out so it may add to the visual effect... none the less its an aspect to the lift that I will be paying close attention to and trying to correct as much as my body shape will allow.
The one thing I need some more clarification on is the hips... I dont understand what you mean they are raising faster... and my shoulders being in front of the bar.... I was following the directions of Mark Rippetoe and it was stated that it should line up with my shoulder blades... not shoulders (plus I have a longer torso and still fairly short arms so to get the grip on the bar without dropping my rear to the floor like the first video my torso has to lean forward a lil more... still follows the guidelines laid out in this vid here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syt7A23YnpA&feature=relmfu and the other vids "dead lift aligment pt. 1" and "2").
I am lucky enough to have the original 720p resolution vid on my computer that is hooked to my 42" tv so i can sit here and analyze the lift very closely... I can see what you are saying about my lats looking loose, but I promis my traps are being pulled back tight and my chest is being pushed out as hard as I can.... if you look at me standing in front of the bar just as the vid starts you can see how much my shoulder blades stick out... Im sure this along with the large amount of mid back muscle makes it look as though there isnt as much arching going on as there is.
Im going to give the hook grip some more work, see if I can get it down, my fingers feel like they slide off my thumb easier then just grabbing the bar though... and Im looking to increase grip strength and in the end get a slightly heavier dead lift, but by no means am I going for powerlifter status and dont want to artificially simulate a grip with tight wraps to tighten my tendons for me.... 400 is my ultimate goal, I feel I should be able to do that raw(no wraps, straps, belt or suit), with chalk for grip and to make up for an old bar and sweaty palms... the suggestions are appreciated all the same.
Again, Im gonna try to stay fully aware of my shoulder positioning and tightening my lats and traps for the next lift, and although it will be after C20 is already done, im going to come back to this thread and post up the results for further analyzing... thanks again for all the insight, its greatly appreciated.