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Big Boys throw down to lean out (Sponsored by Need to Build Muscle's N2 Burn.

I'm still around and like Chevy said, have been dealing with some issues at home. Things are leveling back out and everyone is starting to settle back into their normal routines.

You guys have been doing some great work! It's amazing how much reading you have to do to catch up with everything.

Few lifting updates for me:

My last back workout I was using: 325 X 10 on Deads

Shrugs: 305 X 10

A few other big numbers were hit, but I cannot remember them all. I was not journaling at the time.

Today I went in for some cardio and hit the treadmill for 45 minutes @ 5 degrees and 3mph. I also did 100 pound ab situps x 50 x 4 and 100 pound crunches x 30 x 1.

I even caught a cramp in my abs and that has never happened. I'll hopefully be back on target with dosing and training from hear on out, but only time will tell.

I apologize for my absence, but hey it is supposed to make the heart grow fonder. LOLOLOLOL


Meister
 
I know I will be going against everything I have been doing lately. Meaning a modified 5x5 training. But the time has come for change again. I try to change things up every 6-8 weeks. I have a routine that I will use and over the next few workouts I would like to see everyone's input.
 
Meister said:
I'm still around and like Chevy said, have been dealing with some issues at home. Things are leveling back out and everyone is starting to settle back into their normal routines.

You guys have been doing some great work! It's amazing how much reading you have to do to catch up with everything.

Few lifting updates for me:

My last back workout I was using: 325 X 10 on Deads

Shrugs: 305 X 10

A few other big numbers were hit, but I cannot remember them all. I was not journaling at the time.

Today I went in for some cardio and hit the treadmill for 45 minutes @ 5 degrees and 3mph. I also did 100 pound ab situps x 50 x 4 and 100 pound crunches x 30 x 1.

I even caught a cramp in my abs and that has never happened. I'll hopefully be back on target with dosing and training from hear on out, but only time will tell.

I apologize for my absence, but hey it is supposed to make the heart grow fonder. LOLOLOLOL


Meister
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Good to see ya brotha!
 
Onlychevy6 said:
I know I will be going against everything I have been doing lately. Meaning a modified 5x5 training. But the time has come for change again. I try to change things up every 6-8 weeks. I have a routine that I will use and over the next few workouts I would like to see everyone's input.
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Good Idea bro, always good to change it up. Not only helps you grow, but keeps things interesting in the gym...being bored sucks!
 
Meister said:
I'm still around and like Chevy said, have been dealing with some issues at home. Things are leveling back out and everyone is starting to settle back into their normal routines.

You guys have been doing some great work! It's amazing how much reading you have to do to catch up with everything.

Few lifting updates for me:

My last back workout I was using: 325 X 10 on Deads

Shrugs: 305 X 10

A few other big numbers were hit, but I cannot remember them all. I was not journaling at the time.

Today I went in for some cardio and hit the treadmill for 45 minutes @ 5 degrees and 3mph. I also did 100 pound ab situps x 50 x 4 and 100 pound crunches x 30 x 1.

I even caught a cramp in my abs and that has never happened. I'll hopefully be back on target with dosing and training from hear on out, but only time will tell.

I apologize for my absence, but hey it is supposed to make the heart grow fonder. LOLOLOLOL


Meister
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Ok so the truth has come out. And you have been holding out on us. Pulling these big numbers uh huh what is the secret. Oh wait I know personal issues that bring out some frustration and you take it out in the gym. LOL

On a side note. (Man I have said this twice now) Knowing you have had your hands full with your home life. We are all here for you, the training will always come and go. But for now your family comes first. Get that back in order then continue. If you need to chat you know how to reach me.
 
TurningGreen said:
Good Idea bro, always good to change it up. Not only helps you grow, but keeps things interesting in the gym...being bored sucks!
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Yeah doing the 5x5 from the first phase all the way into the second phase was nice and a challenge. But to be perfectly honest I was getting a tad bored. Started to feel like I was just going through the motions and not getting the most out of the training. I designed a program again similar to the one I did back when I got into the gym after doing nothing but the P90X for the first 90 days of returning.

The new workout was originally thought to be a warm up set and a 12 rep then 10 rep then 8 rep workout per exercise. I am still pondering if I should still continue the high reps. We shall see once I get in the gym. Curious minds want to know.
 
Onlychevy6 said:
Yeah doing the 5x5 from the first phase all the way into the second phase was nice and a challenge. But to be perfectly honest I was getting a tad bored. Started to feel like I was just going through the motions and not getting the most out of the training. I designed a program again similar to the one I did back when I got into the gym after doing nothing but the P90X for the first 90 days of returning.

The new workout was originally thought to be a warm up set and a 12 rep then 10 rep then 8 rep workout per exercise. I am still pondering if I should still continue the high reps. We shall see once I get in the gym. Curious minds want to know.
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I hear ya bro, I am ready for a change! Kleen's protocol was awesome for sure, but next week when I pick up the weights again I will change it up. I think Ill stick with the 5x5 with 2 drops SSUF only on "core" lifts and mix in some hyperfitness style exercises. I think this will really make the epi-v shine in terms of cutting.
 
Man this thread exploded when I went to class lol.

Don't be like me and change the program too much though lol.

Won't be able to judge that progress. And might even go backwards.
Interested to see what you lay out though. ;)
 
mattrag said:
Man this thread exploded when I went to class lol.

Don't be like me and change the program too much though lol.

Won't be able to judge that progress. And might even go backwards.
Interested to see what you lay out though. ;)
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It is good to change it up every 6-8 weeks just like your nutrition. That way you dont get bored like green had mentioned.
 
Onlychevy6 said:
It is good to change it up every 6-8 weeks just like your nutrition. That way you dont get bored like green had mentioned.
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Ya. That's why I need to keep a log. Lol.

Being bored also sux.

Looking forward to the madness, from both of you. :)
 
mattrag said:
Ya. That's why I need to keep a log. Lol.

Being bored also sux.

Looking forward to the madness, from both of you. :)
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Oh yeah. Have my diet re-done. And a new workout. Should be a nice combo.
 
Onlychevy6 said:
It is good to change it up every 6-8 weeks just like your nutrition. That way you dont get bored like green had mentioned.
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Big changes in the workout program can be beneficial, periodization to me means a different psychology behind each workout a different style of lifting. This shocks your body and it's like starting at square one where most of the growth happens...
 
DreamWeaver said:
Big changes in the workout program can be beneficial, periodization to me means a different psychology behind each workout a different style of lifting. This shocks your body and it's like starting at square one where most of the growth happens...
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True. However, there are many ways to accomplish this while following a progarm. With the 5/3/1 for example, you are hitting different reps and weight ranges every week and can always pick alternate accessory/support lifts. GST is great for variety also and is in fact the heart of that program.

On another note, 270 even this am, down 5lbs :)
 
taman6886 said:
True. However, there are many ways to accomplish this while following a progarm. With the 5/3/1 for example, you are hitting different reps and weight ranges every week and can always pick alternate accessory/support lifts. GST is great for variety also and is in fact the heart of that program.

On another note, 270 even this am, down 5lbs :)
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531 is a great program, mainly because it has deloads and constantly pushes you to get new PRs. I just would KILL Myself on the accessory... Like main lift plus 4 supersets of everything, and off days would be Oly lifts... But We've chatted on this b4 lol. Beat that horse!

Anyhow, I may just switch up to WSBBFSB after this.... lol. Unless I can get my shoulder fixed up, then Im doing smolov squat program...
 
taman6886 said:
True. However, there are many ways to accomplish this while following a progarm. With the 5/3/1 for example, you are hitting different reps and weight ranges every week and can always pick alternate accessory/support lifts. GST is great for variety also and is in fact the heart of that program.

On another note, 270 even this am, down 5lbs :)
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Yah there are programs that take this into account. I even use some of them from time to time but I like to switch programs as well... I like full body workouts but don't do them all the time. Switching reps and exercises is not enough sometimes... there are other variables... I will likely go to a 2 days split after finishing the warrior workout.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah there are programs that take this into account. I even use some of them from time to time but I like to switch programs as well... I like full body workouts but don't do them all the time. Switching reps and exercises is not enough sometimes... there are other variables... I will likely go to a 2 days split after finishing the warrior workout.
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Dw which phase are you on for the warrior workout?
 
taman6886 said:
True. However, there are many ways to accomplish this while following a progarm. With the 5/3/1 for example, you are hitting different reps and weight ranges every week and can always pick alternate accessory/support lifts. GST is great for variety also and is in fact the heart of that program.

On another note, 270 even this am, down 5lbs :)
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Dang it. Your losing and I gained ao far. Hmmm someone is wishing his fat loss on someone else isn't he. Lol

No I think I am picking up a couple lbs because of my pct. It is all good though.
 
Today's FINAFLEX Trivia is....

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Quiet day, just work, no work out. Kept it tight: 2025 cals (103 carbs, 221 protein, 79 fats) with an estimated burn of 3475 for a deficit of 1450.
 
The new workout kicked in tonight. I actually felt really good during this session. Had a lot more focused and did not feel rushed.

11-9-11

Bent Over Barbell Rows

10 reps 140 lbs (Warm Up)
12 reps 220 lbs
10 reps 220 lbs
8 reps 220 lbs


Wide Grip Pull Downs

10 reps 80 lbs (Warm Up)
12 reps 140 lbs
10 reps 120 lbs
8 reps 120 lbs


V-Bar Cable Pull Downs

10 reps 80 lbs (Warm Up)
12 reps 120 lbs
10 reps 120 lbs
8 reps 120 lbs



Machine Hyper Extensions

10 reps 240 lbs (Warm Up)
12 reps 300 lbs
10 reps 300 lbs
8 reps 300 lbs


Standing Dumbbell Curls

10 reps 20 lbs (Warm Up)
12 reps 40 lbs
10 reps 40 lbs
8 reps 40 lbs


Preacher Curl Machine

10 reps 50 lbs (Warm Up)
12 reps 110 lbs
10 reps 110 lbs
8 reps 110 lbs


So as you can see it was a Back and Bicep workout. I have broken it down like this

The workouts will be different every 4 weeks. I put together a 12 week workout that I will stick to the entire time.
Soon as I get to the 2nd phase of training I will put up what those exercises will be.

Day 1: Chest & Tricep & Cardio
Day 2: Back & Bicep
Day 3: Cardio & Abs
Day 4: Shoulders & Calves
Day 5: Legs
Day 6: Cardio & abs
Day 7: Rest
 
Onlychevy6 said:
The new workout kicked in tonight. I actually felt really good during this session. Had a lot more focused and did not feel rushed.

11-9-11

Bent Over Barbell Rows

10 reps 140 lbs (Warm Up)
12 reps 220 lbs
10 reps 220 lbs
8 reps 220 lbs


Wide Grip Pull Downs

10 reps 80 lbs (Warm Up)
12 reps 140 lbs
10 reps 120 lbs
8 reps 120 lbs


V-Bar Cable Pull Downs

10 reps 80 lbs (Warm Up)
12 reps 120 lbs
10 reps 120 lbs
8 reps 120 lbs



Machine Hyper Extensions

10 reps 240 lbs (Warm Up)
12 reps 300 lbs
10 reps 300 lbs
8 reps 300 lbs


Standing Dumbbell Curls

10 reps 20 lbs (Warm Up)
12 reps 40 lbs
10 reps 40 lbs
8 reps 40 lbs


Preacher Curl Machine

10 reps 50 lbs (Warm Up)
12 reps 110 lbs
10 reps 110 lbs
8 reps 110 lbs


So as you can see it was a Back and Bicep workout. I have broken it down like this

The workouts will be different every 4 weeks. I put together a 12 week workout that I will stick to the entire time.
Soon as I get to the 2nd phase of training I will put up what those exercises will be.

Day 1: Chest & Tricep & Cardio
Day 2: Back & Bicep
Day 3: Cardio & Abs
Day 4: Shoulders & Calves
Day 5: Legs
Day 6: Cardio & abs
Day 7: Rest
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Looks good bro!
 
taman6886 said:
Looks good bro!
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Thanks. I had to switch it up. Was beginning to feel like when I would hit the gym it was more of hurry and get through the workout. While it was kicking my butt it seemed like I was doing it over and over. Now there will be something different each day.
 
Onlychevy6 said:
Thanks. I had to switch it up. Was beginning to feel like when I would hit the gym it was more of hurry and get through the workout. While it was kicking my butt it seemed like I was doing it over and over. Now there will be something different each day.
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Nice job!!

Can't wait to see how you like it! ;)
 
DreamWeaver said:
I didn't know there was phases, I am doing 1 working set then a second with a double drop ..full body...different exercise ... 3 days a week.
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There is a phase 1 and a phase 2 I know. Phase 2 throws in a 5x5 in each workout with some other smaller differences in exercises
 
RickRock13 said:
There is a phase 1 and a phase 2 I know. Phase 2 throws in a 5x5 in each workout with some other smaller differences in exercises
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That might be pretty close to what I am doing but would never go 5X5 full body... I do a 2 day split...
 
11/10/11 Day 3, wk 4 (MC 6) Deload
4:40-5:15

Bench 5's @ 115, 145, 175

Flat bench DB Press 4x12@40's

Incline BB Press 3x10@100

Assisted dip 3x10 @120lbs

2H OH DB Tri Extension 3x12@35

Wide Grip BB Front raise (This was more to see how the shoulder felt than anything)
20x12, 30x12

The left shoulder still felt a bit touch on the Fat BB Bench and Dips. Still better than before I have been trying to rehab it. 2 more G of Cissus and ice when I got home.

Finished up with 32 minutes of random hills profile on recumbant stationary bike-151 cals.

Dietary for today: 2038 cals (108 carbs, 205 protein [plus 18g bcaa], 84 fats) with an estimated burn of 3686 for a deficit of 1648. Have been keeping the cals fairly low this week even on iron days due to the deload. Plan on bumping it to around 2400-2500 cals when I start going heavier again next week.

As an aside, anyone have an opinion on what to run along with the epi? Options are Epi+ RS trans, Epi+RS+1 Andro, or Epi and 1 Andro. PP Andro lean is also an option. I have some Torem on hand, so maybe bridging that into an 8 week run of epi and then 1 andro or epi and androlean as the hardest part of PCT is already handled. Would add possibly some endosurge and CEE as the OTC parts of the PCT.
 
taman6886 said:
11/10/11 Day 3, wk 4 (MC 6) Deload
4:40-5:15

Bench 5's @ 115, 145, 175

Flat bench DB Press 4x12@40's

Incline BB Press 3x10@100

Assisted dip 3x10 @120lbs

2H OH DB Tri Extension 3x12@35

Wide Grip BB Front raise (This was more to see how the shoulder felt than anything)
20x12, 30x12

The left shoulder still felt a bit touch on the Fat BB Bench and Dips. Still better than before I have been trying to rehab it. 2 more G of Cissus and ice when I got home.

Finished up with 32 minutes of random hills profile on recumbant stationary bike-151 cals.

Dietary for today: 2038 cals (108 carbs, 205 protein [plus 18g bcaa], 84 fats) with an estimated burn of 3686 for a deficit of 1648. Have been keeping the cals fairly low this week even on iron days due to the deload. Plan on bumping it to around 2400-2500 cals when I start going heavier again next week.

As an aside, anyone have an opinion on what to run along with the epi? Options are Epi+ RS trans, Epi+RS+1 Andro, or Epi and 1 Andro. PP Andro lean is also an option. I have some Torem on hand, so maybe bridging that into an 8 week run of epi and then 1 andro or epi and androlean as the hardest part of PCT is already handled. Would add possibly some endosurge and CEE as the OTC parts of the PCT.
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Nice work man. you destroying it in the gym!!

Hmm as far as Epi... I have personally never run it but I'm sure Rick will chime in, or you can ask in the NTBM section. He loves Epi lol.

Honestly I would run something like 11oxo or furuza stacked with it if you wanna lean out. They are both not methylated a bit more on the mild side and work towards lowering cortisol. I donno how the joints will feel though with extremely lowered cortisol AND lowered estrogen (via Epi's AI effects).

Good luck!! Wish I could be more help!
 
taman6886 said:
11/10/11 Day 3, wk 4 (MC 6) Deload
4:40-5:15

Bench 5's @ 115, 145, 175

Flat bench DB Press 4x12@40's

Incline BB Press 3x10@100

Assisted dip 3x10 @120lbs

2H OH DB Tri Extension 3x12@35

Wide Grip BB Front raise (This was more to see how the shoulder felt than anything)
20x12, 30x12

The left shoulder still felt a bit touch on the Fat BB Bench and Dips. Still better than before I have been trying to rehab it. 2 more G of Cissus and ice when I got home.

Finished up with 32 minutes of random hills profile on recumbant stationary bike-151 cals.

Dietary for today: 2038 cals (108 carbs, 205 protein [plus 18g bcaa], 84 fats) with an estimated burn of 3686 for a deficit of 1648. Have been keeping the cals fairly low this week even on iron days due to the deload. Plan on bumping it to around 2400-2500 cals when I start going heavier again next week.

As an aside, anyone have an opinion on what to run along with the epi? Options are Epi+ RS trans, Epi+RS+1 Andro, or Epi and 1 Andro. PP Andro lean is also an option. I have some Torem on hand, so maybe bridging that into an 8 week run of epi and then 1 andro or epi and androlean as the hardest part of PCT is already handled. Would add possibly some endosurge and CEE as the OTC parts of the PCT.
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Are you running epi strong or epi-v?
 
Taman, I like the idea of running the EPI with the 1 andro and Transaderm ran along with it. That would be a pretty good stack IMO. If you are wanting to run 8 weeks like you mentioned that is fine as long as you limit the EPI portion to 6 weeks. You don't want to go more than that with methyls.
 
RickRock13 said:
Taman, I like the idea of running the EPI with the 1 andro and Transaderm ran along with it. That would be a pretty good stack IMO. If you are wanting to run 8 weeks like you mentioned that is fine as long as you limit the EPI portion to 6 weeks. You don't want to go more than that with methyls.
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Thanks for the input Rick. If I was going to do 8 weeks, I would do it as a bridge, 4weeks epi, 4 weeks 1 andro.
 
taman6886 said:
Thanks for the input Rick. If I was going to do 8 weeks, I would do it as a bridge, 4weeks epi, 4 weeks 1 andro.
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That would be a great way to do it. I would run the EPI first and bridge to the andro
 
Hit the am cardio today. 5 stage variable resistance (up and down) 5 minute/stage for a total of 25 minutes-145 cals, all day burn. Max HR 125. Light (deload) squat work out after work.

I went ahead and ordered a bottle of the Finaflex 1 andro. Figured I would run this at 2 tabs a day with the epi at 20-30mg depending on how I tolerate it and the remaining RS trans at 5 pumps AM. For support sups, will be taking milkthistle (already in stock), Taurine (as I am susceptible to back pumps and I know epi can do that) and Iam already prescribed Lisiniopril and HCTZ.
 
DreamWeaver said:
I thought it would be better the other way around as EPI would dry you out...
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I like to run whatever is going to bring the biggest gains first so the gains have more time to solidify, which IMO would be the epi first. But the other way would work well too and does also make sense
 
RickRock13 said:
I like to run whatever is going to bring the biggest gains first so the gains have more time to solidify, which IMO would be the epi first. But the other way would work well too and does also make sense
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Ok that makes sense too...
 
11/11/11 Day 4, wk 4 MC6 (Deload)
4:40-5:20 Went with 45-50 sec between sets
Squat (5x) 165, 205, 245 (all reps below parallel)

Leg Press @ 360 3x15

Lying Hammy Curl 3x12 @62.5

Hack Squat 3x12 @140 (Extra deep here)

Old style Nautilus Ab Crunch 200 reps at 80lbs (non stop) to a drop set of 20/set at 120/100/90.

Did a bit of foam rolling afterwards, about 5 minutes in the sauna and 10 in the whirlpool

Dietary for today: 2088 cals (111 carbs, 213g protein [plus 30g BCAA], 87 fats) with an estimated burn of 3722 for a deficit of 1634.
 
11/11/11


First I want to say Thank you to all you men and women whom are currently serving as well as those whom are no longer serving.



Seated Dumbbell Arnold Press

10 reps 40 lbs
12 reps 50 lbs
10 reps 50 lbs
8 reps 50 lbs


Machine Side Lateral Raises

10 reps 45 lbs
12 reps 65 lbs
10 reps 65 lbs
8 reps 65 lbs


Standing Dumbbell Rear Delt Lateral Raises

10 reps 35 lbs
12 reps 45 lbs
10 reps 40 lbs
8 reps 40 lbs


Machine Standing Calf Raises (Toes In)

10 reps 60 lbs
12 reps 100 lbs
10 reps 100 lbs
8 reps 100 lbs


Seated Calf Raises

10 reps 90 lbs
12 reps 90 lbs
10 reps 90 lbs
8 reps 90 lbs


Donkey Calf Raises

10 reps
12 reps
10 reps
8 reps


My shoulders were pumping for a long time after I was done with them and my calves well they felt like they were on fire and my feet felt like they were stretched from one side of the gym to the other. lol
 
I say y'all are both doing one hell of a job Guys, keep up the great work, I'm in it for the fat loss from both of you!!!
 
ScottyDoc said:
I say y'all are both doing one hell of a job Guys, keep up the great work, I'm in it for the fat loss from both of you!!!
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Hey Scotty, let me pose a inquiry too you. Have a bottle of Finaflex 1 andro on the way, I noted that it has a "amplifier" that is grape fruit based. I eat about 2-3 whole grapefruit a day. Any chance that would be an issue (I assume it is the enzyme that limits liver metabolism of some compounds/medications)
 
taman6886 said:
Hey Scotty, let me pose a inquiry too you. Have a bottle of Finaflex 1 andro on the way, I noted that it has a "amplifier" that is grape fruit based. I eat about 2-3 whole grapefruit a day. Any chance that would be an issue (I assume it is the enzyme that limits liver metabolism of some compounds/medications)
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It definitely would not hurt your results, now whether it would further amplify your results I have no idea, I mean we are talking about mg's of grapefruit extract, I'm sure the amount in there is way more potent than just eating a few grape-fruits, but I could be wrong! I am making this assumption based on the fact that your average orange has about 300-500mg of vit. C and yet you can get a single cap with 1g (1,000mg) and it is 1/100 the size if not smaller! Hope my insight helps!
 
ScottyDoc said:
It definitely would not hurt your results, now whether it would further amplify your results I have no idea, I mean we are talking about mg's of grapefruit extract, I'm sure the amount in there is way more potent than just eating a few grape-fruits, but I could be wrong! I am making this assumption based on the fact that your average orange has about 300-500mg of vit. C and yet you can get a single cap with 1g (1,000mg) and it is 1/100 the size if not smaller! Hope my insight helps!
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Yep, just wanted to make sure that it would not be a danger.
 
Pretty quiet down day today. The wife went off to the big city and I was alone with the 9 year old, so no bike ride. Instead, spent some time in the yard raking by hand and sucking leaves up with the lawn tractor. Did walk the little man down to the park, let him play for about 45 minutes. Round trip walk was about 20 minutes.

Anyways, I am nearing the end of the N2Burn, will post a final review when it is done. Also, going to start taking milk thistle in prep for the Epi/1 andro/RS Trans run Monday. Will begin that run a week later.

Dietary for today: 2239 cals (77 carbs, 182 protein [plus 12g bcaa], 130 fat cals) with an estimated burn of 3575 for a deficit of 1336. Not quite as low on the calorie total as I had hoped, but an extra 200 is not gonna break me.
 
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