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Quick question for the lifters

runnerky

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I have a couple of questions for you guys. It looks like most everyone here is very well informed on what they are talking about and after looking around at various other message boards I decided to give this one a shot for some sound info and advice.

31 yrs old and a fitness enthusiast. I'm 175lbs on average run 4-6 days a week and make it into the gym on 3 of those days.My bf% is almost always right around 9%. I have a great diet and haven't touched fast food in over two yrs and soda in God knows how long. I eat primarily organic(being raised on a farm and most of my family still farming has saved me toooooons of $$$) and have been very active in working out for the past eleven yrs. As far as supps I have religiously used BCAA's, l-glut, dymatize creatine and of course whey(and when i have tried to gain more weight I will take some caesin before bed).

My question comes down to this. I want to put on a solid fifteen pounds or so with little to no gain in body fat. I realize this probably won't happen over a couple of months and I have zero problems with that. I'm very patient and have a great work ethic and discipline. My question is what can i take to get some big gains, to increase my lifts and endurance when doing those lifts and how to stack them. Yes I am planning on doing a ph. I have never done one before so advice on what to use as well as a pct would be greatly appreciated. I seem to be looking towards athletix and pes due to the number of good things I have heard, but I'd rather hear from real people, not customer reps, first and foremost before I shovel out my hard earned money.

I realize one thing I will def have to do is cut back on my running. I do a minimum of thirty miles a week and usually more, and I eat like a horse. So i figure with some good supps, cut back on the running quite a bit in addition to my great diet I should have a pretty good start. . Thank you in advance.

chad
 
diet and training will get you your results. sure you can take a PH to speed up the process, but you can achieve 15 pounds naturally. you are going to have to increase your cals and carbs a bit, but not much. just focus on protein intake. you are going to be doing a "recomp". its a long, slow process (putting on mass without gaining fat). try DC training as well. good for building muscle.

As far as supplements go, stay on the staples. Creatine, Protein, BCAAs, Fish Oil, multi.....you can take test boosters if you choose. IGF 2 would be perfect for your goals and age. I would stack IGF 2 with Anabeta for a natty stack.

As far as a PH, AH/AL would fit your goals. take that with the TRS Stack + TCF 1 as PCT
 
R1balla said:
diet and training will get you your results. sure you can take a PH to speed up the process, but you can achieve 15 pounds naturally. you are going to have to increase your cals and carbs a bit, but not much. just focus on protein intake. you are going to be doing a "recomp". its a long, slow process (putting on mass without gaining fat). try DC training as well. good for building muscle.

As far as supplements go, stay on the staples. Creatine, Protein, BCAAs, Fish Oil, multi.....you can take test boosters if you choose. IGF 2 would be perfect for your goals and age. I would stack IGF 2 with Anabeta for a natty stack.

As far as a PH, AH/AL would fit your goals. take that with the TRS Stack + TCF 1 as PCT
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Solid post. Like mentioned, diet is most important and for only a 15lb jump, I would not rely on a pro-hormone. Temporarily you may be satisfied, but in the long run, you will not. Stick to protein, amino's, creatine, and some forms of test boosters.

Mike
 
While I'm not going to discredit the previous posters suggestion, I will say a cheaper option that has always been the drug of choice for both beginners and advanced users is H-drol. If u ran a 4 week cycle you could easily see 10lbs, most of it being lean. Get two bottles and run it for 6 weeks at 50/50/50/75/75/75 and use TRS stack in PCT you could be fine with those gains and should see near 15lbs.

If u have access to SERMs then I'd say pick up some Nolva or Clomid as well to have a seamless PCT.
 
fueledpassion said:
While I'm not going to discredit the previous posters suggestion, I will say a cheaper option that has always been the drug of choice for both beginners and advanced users is H-drol. If u ran a 4 week cycle you could easily see 10lbs, most of it being lean. Get two bottles and run it for 6 weeks at 50/50/50/75/75/75 and use TRS stack in PCT you could be fine with those gains and should see near 15lbs.
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Dont forget to add liver support and hawthorne berry, if you do decide on running H-drol. Definitely an easy bulking product, with a little more maintainable gains than Superdrol, however, deemed useless if the money isnt FIRST spent on a good diet.
 
Hey guys thank you so much for the quick responses. I will be looking over everything you guys have suggested over the next couple of days before I order. And yeah if i can skip on the ph and still get the gains I want I have zero issues doing that. No supplement is a substitute for hard work and determination. Thanks!
 
not everybody can get a SERM, and i would not suggest Hdrol unless the OP was able to get a SERM.
 
R1balla said:
not everybody can get a SERM, and i would not suggest Hdrol unless the OP was able to get a SERM.
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I dont feel a SERM is a necessity with halodrol dosed moderately (50-75mg/day). An over-the-counter PCT of Erase/DAA/Anabeta will cover pretty much all angles of the PCT.

OP if you're looking to run a PH and put on mass, i would probably just run H-drol. Its a great first timers choice that will help you put on solid weight. If you want to go the natty route then an Anabeta/Erase stack would be great for lean bulking.

As you've said, you're going to want to minimize the amount of running you're doing.
 
kevinhy said:
I dont feel a SERM is a necessity with halodrol dosed moderately (50-75mg/day). An over-the-counter PCT of Erase/DAA/Anabeta will cover pretty much all angles of the PCT.

OP if you're looking to run a PH and put on mass, i would probably just run H-drol. Its a great first timers choice that will help you put on solid weight. If you want to go the natty route then an Anabeta/Erase stack would be great for lean bulking.

As you've said, you're going to want to minimize the amount of running you're doing.
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While a SERM might not necessarily be NEEDED post cycle one should still be able to get one if needed. Furthermore, without bloodwork done how can you know definitively that a SERM is not needed? You really can't just speculate on how a PH or DS will effect someones blood values. It is a little disingenuous to make a comment on the necessity of a SERM, regardless on how "mild" it may be considered.

Point being, even if a PH/DS is considered mild.. You should still be able to obtain a SERM if you end up needing one. To run a cycle without the possibility of even being able to obtain a SERM is just a bad idea in my opinion.

And not to bash anabeta but in what way would that help PCT? The only study supporting it wasn't in humans and they didn't even bother to measure test levels IIRC. While it may be a great natty product, I just don't see the reason to why or how it would help with the specific goals of PCT. However DAA and Erase are excellent choices for PCT!
 
R1balla said:
not everybody can get a SERM, and i would not suggest Hdrol unless the OP was able to get a SERM.
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While I personally wouldn't go without a SERm for any hormone cycle, it certainly is not needed. I always have it because it is available to me.
This is really cycle theory at its best. The best analogy I have ever heard was like this:

During PCT and off cycle, you have two goals really: 1) is to restore homeostasis in hormone levels and health, 2) maintain gains from the cycle. Now you can't do #2 without first accomplishing #1. So, using the most effective PCT means the greater chance of you keeping the gains from the previous cycle. So let's label the two goals as "A". Using a SERM is like riding a bike to point "A", and doing it in 3 weeks time. Using all OTC PCT products is like running to point "A" and doing it in 5 weeks time. Using no PCT is like walking to point "A" and not getting there until 3 months later. Notice all three wind up in the same place eventually? However, if you chose the latter, by the time your body gets back to normal chances are you have lost your gains from the cycle thus making it pointless.

SERMS aren't always needed and since H-Drol is mild to say the least I wouldn't sweat it if he used all OTC products for PCT.
 
Keep eating like a horse as you said you are and stop running as much. Lift weights 3 days a week(heavy compound movements). Look into the 3 day DC split on IntenseMuscle.com and go from there.
 
Been thinking and I am curious about running one of these two stacks.

anabeta,adamantium,erase and alpha-t2
or
adamantium, titanium, erase and alpha-t2.

Of course Im going to keep using my staples right along with this as well. Is either stack "too much" or just right for what I'm looking for? Also how long would be advised to run this stack? 8 weeks or twelve? I figure if i cut back my running by at least half that should help me put on some weight. Sorry about being such a supplement noob, but i would much rather get good advice from guys who know whats going on then to act like I knew what I was doing and waste my money on ineffective crap or worse dump something into my system that it doesn't react well with.
 
runnerky said:
Been thinking and I am curious about running one of these two stacks.

anabeta,adamantium,erase and alpha-t2
or
adamantium, titanium, erase and alpha-t2.

Of course Im going to keep using my staples right along with this as well. Is either stack "too much" or just right for what I'm looking for? Also how long would be advised to run this stack? 8 weeks or twelve? I figure if i cut back my running by at least half that should help me put on some weight. Sorry about being such a supplement noob, but i would much rather get good advice from guys who know whats going on then to act like I knew what I was doing and waste my money on ineffective crap or worse dump something into my system that it doesn't react well with.
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While Alpha-T2 is a great supplement, its mainly useful during a cut. I feel the amount of running you do, even if cut in half, should be enough to keep your gains lean.

If you're bulking up, i would probably go with Anabeta/Adamantium/Erase/Titanium out of the products mentioned. This stack for eight weeks should produce considerable results towards your goals.
 
kevinhy said:
While Alpha-T2 is a great supplement, its mainly useful during a cut. I feel the amount of running you do, even if cut in half, should be enough to keep your gains lean.

If you're bulking up, i would probably go with Anabeta/Adamantium/Erase/Titanium out of the products mentioned. This stack for eight weeks should produce considerable results towards your goals.
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hey thanks kevin! Yeah I was kind of curious whether I would need a fat burner or not. So take those four for 8 weeks? I'm going to look over them some more but this sounds pretty good. Anyone know is nutraplanet is a reliable shipper?
 
Yes they are and you should get it fairly quick since you live in Kentucky.
 
runnerky said:
Been thinking and I am curious about running one of these two stacks.

anabeta,adamantium,erase and alpha-t2
or
adamantium, titanium, erase and alpha-t2.

Of course Im going to keep using my staples right along with this as well. Is either stack "too much" or just right for what I'm looking for? Also how long would be advised to run this stack? 8 weeks or twelve? I figure if i cut back my running by at least half that should help me put on some weight. Sorry about being such a supplement noob, but i would much rather get good advice from guys who know whats going on then to act like I knew what I was doing and waste my money on ineffective crap or worse dump something into my system that it doesn't react well with.
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Right now I'm using this stack and loving it, this is the perfect bulking stack, just get some added BCAA's, Fish oil, Multivitamin, Creatine and EAT BIG!
Dosing
TitaniumXL- 2/2
Division 1- 1/1/1
Formula-X- 1 scoop Intra-workout
Erase- 1/1 or 1/1/1
Anabeta- 1/1/1/1

With this stack you will be able to increase your total test, increase free test, decrease estrogen, reduce cortisol, increase androgen receptor density and will keep your body in an anabolic state. Recovery, vascularity and strength gains have been amazing on this stack, it really doesn't get any better then this, this will definitely help you reach your goals faster.
 
JudgementDay said:
Right now I'm using this stack and loving it, this is the perfect bulking stack, just get some added BCAA's, Fish oil, Multivitamin, Creatine and EAT BIG!
Dosing
TitaniumXL- 2/2
Division 1- 1/1/1
Formula-X- 1 scoop Intra-workout
Erase- 1/1 or 1/1/1
Anabeta- 1/1/1/1

With this stack you will be able to increase your total test, increase free test, decrease estrogen, reduce cortisol, increase androgen receptor density and will keep your body in an anabolic state. Recovery, vascularity and strength gains have been amazing on this stack, it really doesn't get any better then this, this will definitely help you reach your goals faster.
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What would this natty stack be comparable to with prohormones and steroids?

Maybe equivalent to H-Drol or Epistane? I'm only asking because I need a natty stack from mid-October thru December before starting another round of bulk cycling...
 
fueledpassion said:
What would this natty stack be comparable to with prohormones and steroids?

Maybe equivalent to H-Drol or Epistane? I'm only asking because I need a natty stack from mid-October thru December before starting another round of bulk cycling...
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I havn't ran H-Drol or Epistane so I can't comment on that. I can say I'm using it for PCT from an 8 week run of Androhard/Androlean stack and I've been more impressed with this natural stack.

For natural stacks it won't get better then this, but I don't believe any natural product will give strong PH effects, all tho this stack is very impressive and you don't have to worry about any sides.
 
JudoJosh said:
While a SERM might not necessarily be NEEDED post cycle one should still be able to get one if needed. Furthermore, without bloodwork done how can you know definitively that a SERM is not needed? You really can't just speculate on how a PH or DS will effect someones blood values. It is a little disingenuous to make a comment on the necessity of a SERM, regardless on how "mild" it may be considered.

Point being, even if a PH/DS is considered mild.. You should still be able to obtain a SERM if you end up needing one. To run a cycle without the possibility of even being able to obtain a SERM is just a bad idea in my opinion.

And not to bash anabeta but in what way would that help PCT? The only study supporting it wasn't in humans and they didn't even bother to measure test levels IIRC. While it may be a great natty product, I just don't see the reason to why or how it would help with the specific goals of PCT. However DAA and Erase are excellent choices for PCT!
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People take AnaBeta in PCT because they want to stay anabolic during their PCT without suppression.

AIs and test boosters are essential for recovering back to normal. AnaBeta allows you to stay anabolic. Maintain strength gains, mass gains, etc.
 
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