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WHATS ALL THE FUSS OVER PES ANABETA ?

corsaking

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Hi

seems to be a lot of hype over this product but is it justified? What makes it different to all other natural test boosters/anabolics out there.

Have read a study on rats \and the results looked positive , but rats are rats and humams are humans .

Yes i am a sceptic on any new supplement that comes out but when american supplements are twice the price here in the UK compared to the USA , i think its justified.
 
Do you wish you was part rat like me? I could buy any supplement and be tonk by now.

On a srs note, I understand the scepticism, we have all seen how results have greatly varied from rats to humans. Time will tell....
 
corsaking said:
Yes i am a sceptic on any new supplement that comes out but when american supplements are twice the price here in the UK compared to the USA , i think its justified.
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Unfortunately that's the case with all supps that come over to the UK. Companies quote import duty, customs charges, etc. as the reason for the extra cost.

Although it's more expensive than the US it's pretty much the same price as other test boosters in the UK. It just means that I'll be waiting for a few non-sponsored logs to come out before I think about buying it.
 
warsteiner said:
Unfortunately that's the case with all supps that come over to the UK. Companies quote import duty, customs charges, etc. as the reason for the extra cost.

Although it's more expensive than the US it's pretty much the same price as other test boosters in the UK. It just means that I'll be waiting for a few non-sponsored logs to come out before I think about buying it.
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yes lets get a few months worth of users so that down the line , we know its worth the money or not .
 
Only time will tell if it is justified or not. Only using it will tell if it works for you. The hype exists for a few reasons. Number one, people have enjoyed and gotten good results from the PES lineup. Number two, the logs of Anabeta has had very positive feedback. Popular company with a proven track record + great logs=lots of excitement. I know I'm buying it :)
 
IMO, I think PES as a company is in it for the long run, don't think they would release a product based on hype just for a few quick sales. There must be some truth to its results, although everyone does respond differently and you're bound to get a few people moan. People need to remember, supps make a nice addition but diet is the determinant factor...
 
And let's no twist this up with the whole hype thing. We did a blind beta test to see how the masses responded. We gave no details and let the loggers spell out everything. It was because of the loggers that we released it in the first place. In house is only so useful in testing. We didn't create hype, the loggers gave thier details and people got excited.
 
corsaking said:
yes lets get a few months worth of users so that down the line , we know its worth the money or not .
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if you look over the reviews from those that beta tested it, the hype is quite justified. However, I do understand that people need to experience it for themselves.
 
I dunno about rat studies, but my rats respond well to GHRP/GHRH, SARMS, Nolva, Clomid, Clen, Albuterol, T3, and other assorted chemicals... :D ;)

Really, I think the hype is from the beta-testers unanimous results and experience. They all really enjoyed their use, and they're all pretty well respected members of AM. I know I'm going to try it.

It's MOA is pretty interesting if it's like the rat studies, basically a phyto-anabolic/SARM that also boosts testosterone. You'd get anabolic (muscle building) effects and a decent boost to testosterone as well. I think of it as selective androgen affinity, that only triggers anabolism and no androgenic side effects. That sounds pretty appealing for PCT or a straight natural cycle. Those assumptions are based on the rat studies, but that's pretty much all there is to go by.

It looks promising, has produced good results for well respected member, and for $30 it's something worth trying IMO. No reason to believe it's all hype since PES did not do much in the way of traditional marketing to hype it up, the hype was generated by "us."
 
bashman said:
IMO, I think PES as a company is in it for the long run, don't think they would release a product based on hype just for a few quick sales. There must be some truth to its results, although everyone does respond differently and you're bound to get a few people moan. People need to remember, supps make a nice addition but diet is the determinant factor...
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Exactly. Those associated behind the scenes with PES know we have tested a number of different possible products. Obviously most of them never make it to the market. Looking good on paper is great, but it has to produce in the real world too.

As far as everyone thinking since there is no human studies on people taking the extract and lifting weights, the skepticism is expected. I dont know about you but I havent seen any studies done on all the prohomones everyone rants and raves about done on humans. Except for the one on superdrol and liver disease.
 
corsaking said:
Hi

seems to be a lot of hype over this product but is it justified? What makes it different to all other natural test boosters/anabolics out there.

Have read a study on rats \and the results looked positive , but rats are rats and humams are humans .

Yes i am a sceptic on any new supplement that comes out but when american supplements are twice the price here in the UK compared to the USA , i think its justified.
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If you're someone who knows their body VERY VERY well and used AnaBeta, you will know what the "hype" is all about. As for it being unjustified, definitely not - I was the first beta tester and when Ben and Ryan say that this is one of the best products they have ever used, they are not wrong! I stand behind AnaBeta and will be using it again myself pretty soon.


seccsi said:
Only time will tell if it is justified or not. Only using it will tell if it works for you. The hype exists for a few reasons. Number one, people have enjoyed and gotten good results from the PES lineup. Number two, the logs of Anabeta has had very positive feedback. Popular company with a proven track record + great logs=lots of excitement. I know I'm buying it :)
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bashman said:
IMO, I think PES as a company is in it for the long run, don't think they would release a product based on hype just for a few quick sales. There must be some truth to its results, although everyone does respond differently and you're bound to get a few people moan. People need to remember, supps make a nice addition but diet is the determinant factor...
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Supplements can help, especially when all the base factors are correct. Beginners and newbies don't need anything but the basic staples, nor do those who have had an extended break and are just getting back into training. Those who benefit the most from supplements, IMO are the more experienced trainees and the leaner individuals, depending on their goals and needs. Yes, nutrition is the most important factor...For 99% of people - for the other 1% another factor like training is the "determinant factor"...


nattydisaster said:
Exactly. Those associated behind the scenes with PES know we have tested a number of different possible products. Obviously most of them never make it to the market. Looking good on paper is great, but it has to produce in the real world too.
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Affirmed.

~Rosie~
 
AE14 said:
if you look over the reviews from those that beta tested it, the hype is quite justified. However, I do understand that people need to experience it for themselves.
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Agreed. Obviously with all supplements results won't be the same for everyone. So many different factors involved.
 
I think the logs and testers speak or themselves. It works if you do, period. A little research would have shown you real world results, not just rats.
 
There are a few certain people who I don't see sabotaging their reputation just to release a single product and fool their customer base. Natty is one of them. Dsade from genomy and Eric from TN come to mind here as well. Also, I haven't had any direct communication with musclepharm, but i am thoroughly impressed with every MP product I have tried. Just placed my order for anabeta, to me it's a no brainer
 
onemind1body said:
There are a few certain people who I don't see sabotaging their reputation just to release a single product and fool their customer base. Natty is one of them. Dsade from genomy and Eric from TN come to mind here as well. Also, I haven't had any direct communication with musclepharm, but i am thoroughly impressed with every MP product I have tried. Just placed my order for anabeta, to me it's a no brainer
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You hit the nail on the head with every name you mentioned! Now you can see why I support these guys and stand behind their companies! :)

~Rosie~
 
corsaking said:
Hi

seems to be a lot of hype over this product but is it justified? What makes it different to all other natural test boosters/anabolics out there.

Have read a study on rats \and the results looked positive , but rats are rats and humams are humans .

Yes i am a sceptic on any new supplement that comes out but when american supplements are twice the price here in the UK compared to the USA , i think its justified.
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Remember AnaBeta is NOT a test booster. It is a natural anabolic.

We started our research with the studies...we did not end our research there. We went on to formulate an extraction different from that in the study, more powerful in an anabolic sense in our opinions.

The fact it may have secondary test boosting properties is just a cherry on top...it isnt the mechanism by which it is anabolic
 
It worked brilliant for me...undoubtedly worked brilliant for me. Skepticism is fine, I have the luxury of no longer being one:)
 
this company is totally getting murdered over at bb.c-o-m. people like the huge and bane are basically telling everyone over there that anabeta is a big scam and people should refer from buying it, very childish. i know, because i was there a couple of hours ago.

they also said they you would need the water extract or it would not work.
 
flash89912 said:
How would Anabeta compare to ostarine in terms of anabolism without shutdown? Better, worse?
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Never used ostarine...or done much reading on it. Maybe someone else can chime in

Imeniaan said:
this company is totally getting murdered over at bb.c-o-m. people like the huge and bane are basically telling everyone over there that anabeta is a big scam and people should refer from buying it, very childish. i know, because i was there a couple of hours ago.

they also said they you would need the water extract or it would not work.
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Not surprised. Are you? We aren't worried about that. We are here on anabolic minds to educate the public. People come here to learn. Everyone here knows our primary goal is education and innovation
 
nattydisaster said:
Never used ostarine...or done much reading on it. Maybe someone else can chime in



Not surprised. Are you? We aren't worried about that. We are here on anabolic minds to educate the public. People come here to learn. Everyone here knows our primary goal is education and innovation
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no, not surprised, the huge is a huge rat. watch out for him, if he could, he would destroy your innovative company with lies and deceit in a heartbeat.
 
Imeniaan said:
this company is totally getting murdered over at bb.c-o-m. people like the huge and bane are basically telling everyone over there that anabeta is a big scam and people should refer from buying it, very childish. i know, because i was there a couple of hours ago.

they also said they you would need the water extract or it would not work.
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this is one of the reasons I refuse to go there any more. There is no desire for education over there, in fact it is quite the opposite. Very sad to see how they treat people who seem to sincerely have an interest in learning. THis is why AM is the best around
 
AE14 said:
this is one of the reasons I refuse to go there any more. There is no desire for education over there, in fact it is quite the opposite. Very sad to see how they treat people who seem to sincerely have an interest in learning. THis is why AM is the best around
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bb.com is joke. only weenies post over there. AM has always been >

I am currently unaware of any logger that was dissatisfied with anabeta. If taken properly it could be one of the best natural supplements out there.
 
AE14 said:
this is one of the reasons I refuse to go there any more. There is no desire for education over there, in fact it is quite the opposite. Very sad to see how they treat people who seem to sincerely have an interest in learning. THis is why AM is the best around
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yes, i love am.com very much. i also love mindandmsucle and phf, because pat arnold has his own nice little corner over there. bb.com is for babies and morons and the huge is a huge human dildo.
 
Funny 'cause The Huge used anacyclus pyrethrum(Invalid Link Removed) and really likes Ayurvedic herbals like Shilajit. Jealousy that AnaBeta is bigger on its pre-sale than BioForge v3 has been for a month?

bb.com sucks, just for companies preying on the uneducated, how many threads asking "can I stack creatine with a fatburner", "will I die if I take xxx", "check out my order brahz!!1!one". Sh!t is just annoying...
 
corsaking said:
could someone provide a link?
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i believe a search you yield a thread that contains the links to all logs. I think natty made one.
 
Imeniaan said:
no, not surprised, the huge is a huge rat. watch out for him, if he could, he would destroy your innovative company with lies and deceit in a heartbeat.
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Unfortunately I have noticed this too. When someone came out with a product a little bit ago that resembled his he began slandering that company and people personally. He has old school posting peoples personal information on an open forum type mentality.

Here is the thing, PES is quite new to the game and is making a stir, there will always be those who let their jealousy take over. Personally we are not concerned with those people and just let our customers make the judgements.
 
bb.com is terrible. Over here even reps from diff companies seem to have some respect for one another, at least for the most part. Theres no bashing of others products. You even here them recommending products from other companies. AM>BB. I use to like it over there. Its been going down hill for awhile. I like their articles , but the forums are blah. I have ordered my 4 bottles of Anabeta. I plan on starting them about a month after my current PCT to give my body a break and just be normal. Then I'm in for a cycle. I'm very excited about this product. I trust this company, great reviews and support for all their products. Haven't thrown out any BS products.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Unfortunately I have noticed this too. When someone came out with a product a little bit ago that resembled his he began slandering that company and people personally. He has old school posting peoples personal information on an open forum type mentality.

Here is the thing, PES is quite new to the game and is making a stir, there will always be those who let their jealousy take over. Personally we are not concerned with those people and just let our customers make the judgements.
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This post is way off the mark to what was asked in the OP
 
I think that PES has done their homework here and there is a geniune buzz about the Anabeta. If the product produces the results for others that the beta loggers had then the "hype" will be justified. I don't think that these guys are going to risk putting out a substandard supplement at this point, they know what they are doing. I have alot of respect for these guys and the job that they do here, you reap what you sow in my book. I look forward to giving the Anabeta a try myself soon.
 
nerdalert said:
I think that PES has done their homework here and there is a geniune buzz about the Anabeta. If the product produces the results for others that the beta loggers had then the "hype" will be justified. I don't think that these guys are going to risk putting out a substandard supplement at this point, they know what they are doing. I have alot of respect for these guys and the job that they do here, you reap what you sow in my book. I look forward to giving the Anabeta a try myself soon.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence.

You are exactly right though. PES is still extremely new to the scene and don't want to kill our hard fought rep. It is different for someone like muscletech to put out a crap supp, people will still gobble it up. If PES did the same, the market would eat us alive.
 
I was a beta tester of the product and it works amazingly for me. PES is a great company. For one thing there products don't cost you an arm and a leg. There is nothing in their product line that costs more than $30 for a 30 day supply, as far as I know. It's different if the product is $50 but I don't think PES would price any of their products that high. I'm the kind of guy that uses mostly basic supplements such as creatine, protein and fish oils. Very rarely do I try anything else. There are just too many products that I don't respond to. In fact, I don't get anything at all from SHIFT, but it only cost me $14.99 to find out. Anabeta is very much worth the price to try it out. If you don't like it or it doesn't work for you, then hey more for me. If I tried it and liked it, most likely it will work for you. There just aren't many products I like.
 
nerdalert said:
I think that PES has done their homework here and there is a geniune buzz about the Anabeta. If the product produces the results for others that the beta loggers had then the "hype" will be justified. I don't think that these guys are going to risk putting out a substandard supplement at this point, they know what they are doing. I have alot of respect for these guys and the job that they do here, you reap what you sow in my book. I look forward to giving the Anabeta a try myself soon.
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Definately agree!...nothing I have seen/read about PES has any indications that they are a 'fly by night' company...they ARE IN this for the long haul...

side note: My NP order (w/AnaB) udated status: shipped <ahhhh>
 
Corsaking, I know we have chatted a little bit via PM so I thought I would give you my personal view, for what it is worth.

I am a rep now so I would want you to take everything I say with scepticism, if people weren't sceptical of what company reps say there would be a serious problem lol.

I was told nothing about the product, I was actually half expecting to receive a little bit of information on the category of the product when I was sent it. I was told nothing more than what was on forums.
The product is the best anabolic supplement I have ever taken in terms of effectiveness, staple supplements aside. That includes the current PES lineup as well.
The way the product worked for me was enough for me to apply to be a rep. This alongside how Natty conducted himself via emails, it was obvious he genuinely wanted it to speak for himself because he would give me no information on it. I told him I didn't think it would be worthwhile to post photos in my log as I wouldn't expect 5 weeks of any natural supplement to do a great deal without knowing what it did and changing nutrition and training strategies accordingly. He told me to post them anyway.

I am not selling you into a supplement sale because in my opinion hard sales are more likely to create unhappy customers, let the product speak for itself and get return business from the satisfied ones. A bottle or two extra being sold is not going to do a great deal for anyone's profit margins and I get no bonus from it either. This is just my genuine view. You can see my before and after photos in my log.

If the results in my log appeal then try it. If they don't look enough then wait for some more reviews to come out. We would prefer you were happy with the company rather than force sales upon people. :)

If you have any other questions feel free to ask me on here or in PM, or any of the other guys. I am on holiday at the moment so my reply might be slightly delayed as it has been with other PMs but I will reply to all messages.

I hope this is helpful.

Ben
 
bdcc said:
Corsaking, I know we have chatted a little bit via PM so I thought I would give you my personal view, for what it is worth.

I am a rep now so I would want you to take everything I say with scepticism, if people weren't sceptical of what company reps say there would be a serious problem lol.

I was told nothing about the product, I was actually half expecting to receive a little bit of information on the category of the product when I was sent it. I was told nothing more than what was on forums.
The product is the best anabolic supplement I have ever taken in terms of effectiveness, staple supplements aside. That includes the current PES lineup as well.
The way the product worked for me was enough for me to apply to be a rep. This alongside how Natty conducted himself via emails, it was obvious he genuinely wanted it to speak for himself because he would give me no information on it. I told him I didn't think it would be worthwhile to post photos in my log as I wouldn't expect 5 weeks of any natural supplement to do a great deal without knowing what it did and changing nutrition and training strategies accordingly. He told me to post them anyway.

I am not selling you into a supplement sale because in my opinion hard sales are more likely to create unhappy customers, let the product speak for itself and get return business from the satisfied ones. A bottle or two extra being sold is not going to do a great deal for anyone's profit margins and I get no bonus from it either. This is just my genuine view. You can see my before and after photos in my log.

If the results in my log appeal then try it. If they don't look enough then wait for some more reviews to come out. We would prefer you were happy with the company rather than force sales upon people. :)

If you have any other questions feel free to ask me on here or in PM, or any of the other guys. I am on holiday at the moment so my reply might be slightly delayed as it has been with other PMs but I will reply to all messages.

I hope this is helpful.

Ben
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thanks for that , your posts are always sound and i can always tell there is no bull s**t in anything you write .

I do have a question though and its not just about this but any supplement which has been " beta tested" and any ingredient for which a study has been done on rats.Personally i would find it more useful if the supplement company looked at the rat studies and underwent the same tests on the beta users .This would be expensive i know but if i were to give you as an example that by taking x ingredient it was found to increase prostate weight in rats , it would be useful to know if the same happened in human studies.Knowing this would i think rule out the supplement for anyone say over 40 .As we know the prostate enlarges as we age so to enhance that i dont think would be wise and therefore rules out taking any supplement that does that -just my view
 
corsaking said:
thanks for that , your posts are always sound and i can always tell there is no bull s**t in anything you write .

I do have a question though and its not just about this but any supplement which has been " beta tested" and any ingredient for which a study has been done on rats.Personally i would find it more useful if the supplement company looked at the rat studies and underwent the same tests on the beta users .This would be expensive i know but if i were to give you as an example that by taking x ingredient it was found to increase prostate weight in rats , it would be useful to know if the same happened in human studies.Knowing this would i think rule out the supplement for anyone say over 40 .As we know the prostate enlarges as we age so to enhance that i dont think would be wise and therefore rules out taking any supplement that does that -just my view
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And I agree with you whole heartedly. Unfortunately it is just not economical to do so, it would raise the price of every supp on the market exponentially and not allow smaller companies such as PES to thrive... now MuscleTech could absorb the cost, but not someone whose marketing budget is a few bottles of product to a few people.

But I definitely hear what you are saying.
 
DAdams91982 said:
And I agree with you whole heartedly. Unfortunately it is just not economical to do so, it would raise the price of every supp on the market exponentially and not allow smaller companies such as PES to thrive... now MuscleTech could absorb the cost, but not someone whose marketing budget is a few bottles of product to a few people.

But I definitely hear what you are saying.
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please can you provide the link for your log on this , i must be looking in the wrong place by bdcc tks
 
flash89912 said:
How would Anabeta compare to ostarine in terms of anabolism without shutdown? Better, worse?
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great question here I believe its too early to really compare these 2 as they are both solid products in their own right.Though I would like to hear from someone who has used both so they can compare them.
 
BoneDaddy said:
I think the logs and testers speak or themselves. It works if you do, period. A little research would have shown you real world results, not just rats.
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that is one fine avi.....just saying.
 
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