Non-Stim 8 week Transformation Log

I've edited the last updates picture to be a side-by-side comparison.
 
evankyle said:
have you had any side effects from Shift? How many ERASE per day are you currently taking?
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No side effects except some water loss and increased body temperature. I see it being possible to become dehydrated if you dont drink enough water on these products, but I drink atleast 2 gallons a day.


Im dosing 4 shift caps a day and 3 Erase a day.
 
increased body temperature? How noticeable is this? are you sweating when not working out a lot. I read about the night sweats but what about during the day?
 
evankyle said:
increased body temperature? How noticeable is this? are you sweating when not working out a lot. I read about the night sweats but what about during the day?
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It comes and goes, but it happens during the day sometimes. Its not a huge amount during the day, just more than usual.
 
That's awesome progress dude, makes me want to crack open my bottle of shift right now. I'm on my 2nd day of erase and was going to start shift next week, but looking at your results it may be sooner
 
23SammyD said:
That's awesome progress dude, makes me want to crack open my bottle of shift right now. I'm on my 2nd day of erase and was going to start shift next week, but looking at your results it may be sooner
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Thanks a lot man, this stack has to be my favorite for fat loss overall.

The majority of fat burners on the market are loaded with so much stuff that feeling like garbage is inevitable for me. With this stack I actually have enough "mental currency" to focus on the things that matter (diet & training) and can let the supplement do its work.

If you decide to start your shift early, dose at 4 caps a day. I noticed the most rapid body composition switch when i bumped it to 4.
 
Just noticed that was your first post, welcome to AM bro.
 
Oh thanks dude, I was looking for more info on PES supps as I just started using erase. Wanted to make sure I was using it correctly and what not and I used google and ended up at AM. A question I have is would be stacking ec+erase/shift going over board? I'm currently on ec+erase. I used ec last month then took a week off and just started back up again Sunday with my first dose of erase. Thanks again dude
 
23SammyD said:
Oh thanks dude, I was looking for more info on PES supps as I just started using erase. Wanted to make sure I was using it correctly and what not and I used google and ended up at AM. A question I have is would be stacking ec+erase/shift going over board? I'm currently on ec+erase. I used ec last month then took a week off and just started back up again Sunday with my first dose of erase. Thanks again dude
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No problem man.

I dont see that stack being overboard at all, if anything it will significantly enhance results. The great thing about Shift is that it can be stacked with any stimulant based fat burning product, EC being one of them. Erase works via a different mechanism, so possible drug interaction there wont be an issue.

Overall i feel like that stack should produce excellent results. Have you thought about logging it?
 
kevinhy said:
No problem man.

I dont see that stack being overboard at all, if anything it will significantly enhance results. The great thing about Shift is that it can be stacked with any stimulant based fat burning product, EC being one of them. Erase works via a different mechanism, so possible drug interaction there wont be an issue.

Overall i feel like that stack should produce excellent results. Have you thought about logging it?
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Ok cool, I'm pretty confident in the results I'll see with that stack. No I didn't really think to log it, I've never logged anything so that would be a good first to attempt. So a question about dosing. Would I do ec 1/1/1, erase 1/1/1 and you mentioned 4 caps for shift would it be 1/1/2? Or how would you recommend the shift dosing. Sorry to derail the thread, just nice to get some great answers/help from people with experience.
 
It's alright man.

You can dose erase 1/1/1 or 2am/1pm if you like, I don't feel that you would notice a difference either way.

Since youll be dosing the ec morning and afternoon most likely, id take shift 1/1/2, that way when the stims are at their lowest in your system the shift will be at it's highest.
 
Cool I'll try that out and see how it works, thanks for the help. I'll be following your progress as well dude, keep up the hard work the results are definitely showing.
 
23SammyD said:
Cool I'll try that out and see how it works, thanks for the help. I'll be following your progress as well dude, keep up the hard work the results are definitely showing.
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Thanks a lot man
 
23SammyD said:
That's awesome progress dude, makes me want to crack open my bottle of shift right now. I'm on my 2nd day of erase and was going to start shift next week, but looking at your results it may be sooner
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If you've only just started Erase and never used either Erase or Shift before, wait until next week to start Shift - give yourself a chance to know how you respond to Erase and to know what effects it gives you (you should notice in a week).


23SammyD said:
Oh thanks dude, I was looking for more info on PES supps as I just started using erase. Wanted to make sure I was using it correctly and what not and I used google and ended up at AM. A question I have is would be stacking ec+erase/shift going over board? I'm currently on ec+erase. I used ec last month then took a week off and just started back up again Sunday with my first dose of erase. Thanks again dude
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Stacking EC, Erase, and Shift is not overboard - although this is relative to the individual, their goals and needs.


23SammyD said:
Ok cool, I'm pretty confident in the results I'll see with that stack. No I didn't really think to log it, I've never logged anything so that would be a good first to attempt. So a question about dosing. Would I do ec 1/1/1, erase 1/1/1 and you mentioned 4 caps for shift would it be 1/1/2? Or how would you recommend the shift dosing. Sorry to derail the thread, just nice to get some great answers/help from people with experience.
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Re EC, first thing and ~8 hours later is the best time to dose this. How much you use is dependent on you - you may even not be doing a "traditional" EC, but using products that include them, doing your own adaptation of it.

Re Erase and Shift (inclusive of EC):
Dose 1 (first thing upon waking on an empty stomach) - EC + 1 cap Erase + 1 cap SHIFT
Dose 2 (6-8 hours post-Dose 1) - EC + 1 cap Erase + 1 cap SHIFT
Dose 3 (15-60 minutes pre-bed) -1 cap Erase + 1 cap SHIFT

Erase and Shift doses can be taken with or without food - if you have your EC doses with them, then you might want to wait ~60 minutes before eating, or have your EC doses an hour before your Erase and Shift doses, and have those with food. Experiment to see what you prefer.

Do not exceed 4 capsules of Erase or 4 capsules of SHIFT in any 24-hour period.

You can read more on PES stacks in the Invalid Link Removed.

~Rosie~
 
Thanks for the input Rosie, so far this is what I've been dosing at:

First thing in the am (i workout at 7am 3days a week, 6pm the other 2)-
Ec (Bronkaid+pre workout)
Erase

Second dose (usually 4-5 hours later)
Ec
Erase

Third dose (around 9pm)
Ec

Pre bed (around 10-1030 pm)
Erase
Slin Sane
Melatonin if I feel I need it.

Does this look ok? I'll be adding shift next week.
 
23SammyD said:
Thanks for the input Rosie, so far this is what I've been dosing at:

First thing in the am (i workout at 7am 3days a week, 6pm the other 2)-
Ec (Bronkaid+pre workout)
Erase

Second dose (usually 4-5 hours later)
Ec
Erase

Third dose (around 9pm)
Ec

Pre bed (around 10-1030 pm)
Erase
Slin Sane
Melatonin if I feel I need it.

Does this look ok? I'll be adding shift next week.
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That looks fine to me.

Whenever you add the shift i would dose it 1/1/2 with your first, second, and pre-bed doses.
 
23SammyD said:
Thanks for the input Rosie, so far this is what I've been dosing at:

First thing in the am (i workout at 7am 3days a week, 6pm the other 2)-
Ec (Bronkaid+pre workout)
Erase

Second dose (usually 4-5 hours later)
Ec
Erase

Third dose (around 9pm)
Ec

Pre bed (around 10-1030 pm)
Erase
Slin Sane
Melatonin if I feel I need it.

Does this look ok? I'll be adding shift next week.
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No worries :)

It's odd, and I certainly wouldn't recommend dosing EC so close to going to bed - unless it does not affect your ability to sleep.

My recommendations re dosing do not change (added in Dose 3 in post #68, since I accidentally labeled Dose 2 as Dose 3) and I would do this instead (I don't think you need to dose EC thrice - twice is enough):

6am - EC + 1 cap Erase + 1 cap Shift
12-2pm - EC + 1 cap Erase + 1 cap Shift
10-10.30pm - 1 cap Erase + 1 cap Shift

~Rosie~
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
No worries :)

It's odd, and I certainly wouldn't recommend dosing EC so close to going to bed - unless it does not affect your ability to sleep.

My recommendations re dosing do not change (added in Dose 3 in post #68, since I accidentally labeled Dose 2 as Dose 3) and I would do this instead (I don't think you need to dose EC thrice - twice is enough):

6am - EC + 1 cap Erase + 1 cap Shift
12-2pm - EC + 1 cap Erase + 1 cap Shift
10-10.30pm - 1 cap Erase + 1 cap Shift

~Rosie~
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Ok cool thank you, I'll definitely try out the schedule you listed. I recently went to working split mornings/nights. I previously worked strictly mornings so the dosing schedule is some what new to me. Options you listed definitely seem better then what my schedule was. Thanks again
 
23SammyD said:
Ok cool thank you, I'll definitely try out the schedule you listed. I recently went to working split mornings/nights. I previously worked strictly mornings so the dosing schedule is some what new to me. Options you listed definitely seem better then what my schedule was. Thanks again
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No worries - just want you to get the best effects from what you're using. 6am, 2pm, and 10pm are the best times to dose, IMO, being ~8 hours apart. When you train is irrelevant to what you are using and you don't have to time your supplement doses around your training - the only thing I would recommend if you are going to train am or pm, though, is if close to your EC dosing, that it is ~60 minutes pre-training for best effects during training from it, but that is all, and it's not that important if not.

~Rosie~
 
Damnn Rosie, I'm digging the new avatar.
 
I just found a bunch of old pictures of myself from around 3 or so years ago, I might throw them in here for the lulz.





Wait until you see how i had my hair.
 
Update​

Alright guys its been awhile since ive updated, so i figured id fill you in on things as this log comes to a close.

The effects seemed to taper off into a plateau, until I examined my legs more often. My quadriceps & hamstrings area are noticeably leaner than before, which I feel Erase is mostly responsible for. In Biosignature, high quad & hamstring skin fold vs the triceps is a sign of high estrogen. I'm hypothesizing that the AI properties of Erase caused enough of a decline in E for my body to begin changing this.

I dont think ive mentioned it yet, but libido is definitely elevated. Im surprised about this, because being on such a caloric deficit usually squashes mine. Erase gets two thumbs up in regards to this, in my opinion.
 
kevinhy said:
Update​

Alright guys its been awhile since ive updated, so i figured id fill you in on things as this log comes to a close.

The effects seemed to taper off into a plateau, until I examined my legs more often. My quadriceps & hamstrings area are noticeably leaner than before, which I feel Erase is mostly responsible for. In Biosignature, high quad & hamstring skin fold vs the triceps is a sign of high estrogen. I'm hypothesizing that the AI properties of Erase caused enough of a decline in E for my body to begin changing this.

I dont think ive mentioned it yet, but libido is definitely elevated. Im surprised about this, because being on such a caloric deficit usually squashes mine. Erase gets two thumbs up in regards to this, in my opinion.
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Thanks for your feedback :) Erase is definitely an awesome product :thumbsup:

~Rosie~
 
I still have some time left.
 
calidood said:
It's been a week since your last post. Did you finish up?
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Just about, Thursday is the last day. I took the final picture today, will create a side by side shortly.
 
Update - FINAL PICTURE

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Weight change - ~195 - ~180


This stack definitely hit home in the areas that i have trouble with. The biggest problem I have is that I have higher than normal estrogen. This contributes to female fat distributions on my body if i dont keep my diet in check. Around the holidays I pretty such said to hell with it and ate too much garbage, and i paid the price.

I have no tolerance for carbs, i can practically look at them and gain weight. This stack really did magic on a low carb diet because without insulin to do its damage, the only other hormone to deal with was estrogen, which was controlled by Erase. By putting my body in what i felt was the optimum hormonal environment, the fat pretty much melted off. Things really picked up around week 2/3 when i bumped the Shift dose up to 4caps/day, and i also believe Erase was fully suppressing what high aromatase i have at that point.

I experienced absolutely no side effects except for the stupid night sweats, but i fixed that by taking only one cap shift before bed.

I would definitely recommend this stack to anyone who wants to lose body fat that doesnt handle stimulants well. If you DO handle stimulants well, i strongly suggest Alpha T-2 as opposed to Shift to get that extra boost it provides. All in all, I surpassed the expectations i had for this stack, and i couldnt be more pleased. I will be doing this stack again on my next cut.
 
Wow man that looks great. Looking forward to reading the stats. I gotta try this Stack! Thanks for the posts. I saw you said a 25:1 protein carb ratio. Do you just mean 25 grams of protein per 1 gram of carbs? Or are you saying one carb heavy per 25 low carb meals?
 
calidood said:
Wow man that looks great. Looking forward to reading the stats. I gotta try this Stack! Thanks for the posts. I saw you said a 25:1 protein carb ratio. Do you just mean 25 grams of protein per 1 gram of carbs? Or are you saying one carb heavy per 25 low carb meals?
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Thanks man, I'll post all the details soon.

I was referring to the amount of actual meals I had. Around week 3 I scaled it to 30:1 low carb to carb heavy meals. Carb meals were usually a bunch of fat free ice cream.
 
kevinhy said:
Update - FINAL PICTURE

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I'm just posting the picture for now, ill come back and edit the post for my summary once I have a little more spare time.
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Definite leaning has been done :thumbsup:

~Rosie~
 
kevinhy said:
Thanks guys, i really appreciate it!

The final post has been updated to show my thoughts on everything.
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No worries. You ran a great log, so thank you :)

Your body is interesting and goes to show just how different we all are with everything. "All in all, I surpassed the expectations i had for this stack, and i couldnt be more pleased. I will be doing this stack again on my next cut." That says everything, though, and I'm glad you loved the Superman Stack this much - it really is one of the best natural stacks out there, IMO :bigok:

~Rosie~
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
No worries. You ran a great log, so thank you :)

Your body is interesting and goes to show just how different we all are with everything. "All in all, I surpassed the expectations i had for this stack, and i couldnt be more pleased. I will be doing this stack again on my next cut." That says everything, though, and I'm glad you loved the Superman Stack this much - it really is one of the best natural stacks out there, IMO :bigok:

~Rosie~
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Thanks, Rosie.

But, isnt the Superman Stack AT-2/Shift/Erase? I only ran Erase/Shift.
 
kevinhy said:
Thanks, Rosie.

But, isnt the Superman Stack AT-2/Shift/Erase? I only ran Erase/Shift.
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Yes, my bad - you mentioned Alpha-T2 and I wasn't thinking. Erase/Alpha-T2 is one of my favourite stacks ever! If you're ok with stims (although Alpha-T2 is not very strong with this, IMO), use Alpha-T2 instead of Shift next time :)

~Rosie~
 
Lol, i figured that's what happened. I've used alpha t2 before, but something about alpha y doesn't agree with me, which is why I opted for the non-stim stack.
 
kevinhy said:
Lol, i figured that's what happened. I've used alpha t2 before, but something about alpha y doesn't agree with me, which is why I opted for the non-stim stack.
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I see. Well, nothing wrong with sticking to the stack you used, then :)

~Rosie~
 
Im actually running the same cycle, staggered erase by a week and dosing 3 shift and 2 erase/day and I have a similar body composition and shape, hope I have similar results
 
holmes215 said:
Im actually running the same cycle, staggered erase by a week and dosing 3 shift and 2 erase/day and I have a similar body composition and shape, hope I have similar results
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Nice!


I dont know if you read the log or not, but i really noticed shift at 4caps/day. Erase is very unique to the user in that some people get negative sides at different doses. I found 3 caps to be the sweet spot for Erase.

Hope you get the results youre after!
 
impressive results! nice log, just skimmed it
 
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