nattydisaster
PESCIENCE.com
Lower back pumps can suck! Great sign of anabolic effects though
BDCC's PES AnaBeta-01 Log
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bdcc
Legend
I don't mind doing this. I don't actually have any big lifts in this routine so strength gains will be minimal as the TUT on each set lasts between 32 and 48 seconds with each giant set taking between 158 and 222 seconds.
If people want to see this then I can post them up. Each microcycle lasts 5 days so I can compare workout to workout every 10 days.
I have never heard this from something that wasn't in the anabolics category. Please tell me more.
bdcc
Legend
Today was chest and back.
Every third workout I like to deload with a volume decrease of around 30% to accommodate faster strength increases. This is coupled with an increase in the intensity (true meaning of intensity i.e. 1RM% rather than perceived difficulty. Today I went from 8-12 reps across the board on my giant sets to 6-8.
Rather than keeping it at three circuits I increased this to four so my planned deload turned into a simple change in the rep/set parameter. I will go back to the three circuits on my fourth and fifth workout.
The workout was very difficult. I felt nauseous for over an hour after finishing and threw up in my mouth as I was leaving the gym. I am not 100% confident I will be able to do this routine with legs as both of my leg workouts so far have forced me to lie down between sets. I will start with the deload and if I can squeeze in a fourth circuit I shall. Throwing up seems counterintuitive to me as I am getting the calories in to build muscle. If I was aiming for endurance or fat loss then I wouldn't necessarily have the same policy.
Notes on AnaBeta-01.
- I have had a few spots on my back recently. I tend to get them as I remove any hair I get from the root so often get spots as it grows back. I think I have more than usual but wouldn't have wondered this if I hadn't read the other logs so take this with a pinch of salt.
- I am starting to see visible changes in the mirror. I will confirm this in a few days when I do pictures again.
- Appetite is still high.
I woke up late this morning and have stayed up to squeeze another meal in (it is 12:50am here now) as I am hungry. I am currently enjoying gluten free pancakes, free range bacon, honey and ghee. Think of it as the lower allergen version of the American classic!
Every third workout I like to deload with a volume decrease of around 30% to accommodate faster strength increases. This is coupled with an increase in the intensity (true meaning of intensity i.e. 1RM% rather than perceived difficulty. Today I went from 8-12 reps across the board on my giant sets to 6-8.
Rather than keeping it at three circuits I increased this to four so my planned deload turned into a simple change in the rep/set parameter. I will go back to the three circuits on my fourth and fifth workout.
The workout was very difficult. I felt nauseous for over an hour after finishing and threw up in my mouth as I was leaving the gym. I am not 100% confident I will be able to do this routine with legs as both of my leg workouts so far have forced me to lie down between sets. I will start with the deload and if I can squeeze in a fourth circuit I shall. Throwing up seems counterintuitive to me as I am getting the calories in to build muscle. If I was aiming for endurance or fat loss then I wouldn't necessarily have the same policy.
Notes on AnaBeta-01.
- I have had a few spots on my back recently. I tend to get them as I remove any hair I get from the root so often get spots as it grows back. I think I have more than usual but wouldn't have wondered this if I hadn't read the other logs so take this with a pinch of salt.
- I am starting to see visible changes in the mirror. I will confirm this in a few days when I do pictures again.
- Appetite is still high.
I woke up late this morning and have stayed up to squeeze another meal in (it is 12:50am here now) as I am hungry. I am currently enjoying gluten free pancakes, free range bacon, honey and ghee. Think of it as the lower allergen version of the American classic!
nattydisaster
PESCIENCE.com
Dude...workouts till you puke...I know puking sucks, but I have to applaud your intensity
bdcc
Legend
There is no better training edge, especially for the natural athlete- we need all the help we can get!
I only threw up a tiny bit of food in my mouth as I burped. I didn't push myself to the point of throwing up properly. I think if I do legs with this workout (4 circuits of 6-8 with the same rest periods) then I will probably vomit.
On that note, legs are supposed to be today. I woke up with the deep external rotators of my hip seized up. If I can't release them with myofascial release then I will do arms today and legs tomorrow.
Steak and eggs for breakfast is no longer filling enough for this supplement. Yesterday I felt like it had barely touched the sides and luckily some more food was being cooked in my house for a family event so just over an hour later had home made beef meatballs, onion, egg and potato tortilla and wheat free chorizo in tomato sauce with potatoes.
I stress this to anyone buying the supplement. Make sure you have quick cook food and snacks on hand. I very rarely ever snack on things which couldn't count as a proper meal (meat, fish etc) and sometimes I have felt like I have needed to eat something immediately.
I only threw up a tiny bit of food in my mouth as I burped. I didn't push myself to the point of throwing up properly. I think if I do legs with this workout (4 circuits of 6-8 with the same rest periods) then I will probably vomit.
On that note, legs are supposed to be today. I woke up with the deep external rotators of my hip seized up. If I can't release them with myofascial release then I will do arms today and legs tomorrow.
Steak and eggs for breakfast is no longer filling enough for this supplement. Yesterday I felt like it had barely touched the sides and luckily some more food was being cooked in my house for a family event so just over an hour later had home made beef meatballs, onion, egg and potato tortilla and wheat free chorizo in tomato sauce with potatoes.
I stress this to anyone buying the supplement. Make sure you have quick cook food and snacks on hand. I very rarely ever snack on things which couldn't count as a proper meal (meat, fish etc) and sometimes I have felt like I have needed to eat something immediately.
Docmattic
Well-known member
Try this, its a puke maker. The only break you get is to catch your breath. Once you have it back you start again. I nearly vomit each time and have a number of times.
Superset: heavy squats x8 + jump squats x 12 4 sets.
Then
Superset: deadlift x8 + bent row x8 4sets
To OP. Nice log man. Im following along. Im interested in this product. Im thinking of using it for my bulk if it will clear aussie customs.
bdcc
Legend
Thank you very much. I am an unknown entity on this site so won't have as many followers as the longer running members. I have a meticulous approach with my training so hopefully that will bring some interest in here.
Good to have you on board. If you have any questions about the supplement feel free to ask as I go along. I like asking questions and therefore always answer them respectfully when I get them.
bdcc
Legend
bdcc
Legend
Arms session today, for those who skip to the end page here it is;
A1) Reverse EZ Scott Curls 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
A2) EZ Scott Curls 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
A3) Scott Zottman Curls 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
A4) Seated Hammer Curls 3-0-1-0 120 seconds
B1) 45 Degree Incline DB Tricep Extensions 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
B2) Flat Bench DB Tricep Extensions 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
B3) Flat Bench Narrow Grip EZ Extensions 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
B4) Seated Narrow Grip Overhead EZ Extensions 3-0-1-0 120 seconds
Reps are usually in the 8-12 range across the board. Today was the third workout so an intended deload day of approximately 30%, I upped the sets to four rather than three so it was not a deload in the end, something experimental.
I have never incorporated giant sets into a routine other than as a experimental one-off workout.
It was very hard for me to assess my 1RM continuum and I misjudged the weights on these quite a lot. I increased the weight of A1 and A2 by 20% and hit 8 reps on the first two sets of both. I should have increased it more as ideally I should be forced to drop the weight with each subsequent giant set.
- Pump was extremely intense, as it has been.
- Visually I had good vascularity and have been receiving more compliments recently on my physique- very strong start.
- Appetite is still high. I finished a roast dinner with lamb, potatoes and green beans and felt comfortably full. Within half an hour of finishing I am already hungry. I am going to wait an hour or so and cook another proper meal rather than snacking to fill myself up.
Legs tomorrow which will be extremely challenging if I go for four circuits.
A1) Reverse EZ Scott Curls 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
A2) EZ Scott Curls 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
A3) Scott Zottman Curls 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
A4) Seated Hammer Curls 3-0-1-0 120 seconds
B1) 45 Degree Incline DB Tricep Extensions 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
B2) Flat Bench DB Tricep Extensions 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
B3) Flat Bench Narrow Grip EZ Extensions 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
B4) Seated Narrow Grip Overhead EZ Extensions 3-0-1-0 120 seconds
Reps are usually in the 8-12 range across the board. Today was the third workout so an intended deload day of approximately 30%, I upped the sets to four rather than three so it was not a deload in the end, something experimental.
I have never incorporated giant sets into a routine other than as a experimental one-off workout.
It was very hard for me to assess my 1RM continuum and I misjudged the weights on these quite a lot. I increased the weight of A1 and A2 by 20% and hit 8 reps on the first two sets of both. I should have increased it more as ideally I should be forced to drop the weight with each subsequent giant set.
- Pump was extremely intense, as it has been.
- Visually I had good vascularity and have been receiving more compliments recently on my physique- very strong start.
- Appetite is still high. I finished a roast dinner with lamb, potatoes and green beans and felt comfortably full. Within half an hour of finishing I am already hungry. I am going to wait an hour or so and cook another proper meal rather than snacking to fill myself up.
Legs tomorrow which will be extremely challenging if I go for four circuits.
bdcc
Legend
Day 14:
Weight- 84kg. +1kg from starting weight.
Yesterday I ate my roast dinner of free range lamb, potatoes and green beans and ate until comfortably full. Dinner was about 5:15 - 5:45 ish. Just over an hour later I was very hungry and started cooking and ate one gluten free pancake with 8 rashers (240g) of outdoor bred bacon with honey and ghee. This was eaten between about 7:45 and 8:15. Usually I wouldn't be hungry before bed and would have a shake but had a shower and stayed downstairs to eat some free range beef steak skewers.
Today- legs. Hip external rotators still feel a bit stiff on the left side. It tends to feel worse when I am getting out of bed some potentially something to do with my mattress. Either way this is my last chance to do legs without me falling out of my routine so they will get done today.
Weight- 84kg. +1kg from starting weight.
Yesterday I ate my roast dinner of free range lamb, potatoes and green beans and ate until comfortably full. Dinner was about 5:15 - 5:45 ish. Just over an hour later I was very hungry and started cooking and ate one gluten free pancake with 8 rashers (240g) of outdoor bred bacon with honey and ghee. This was eaten between about 7:45 and 8:15. Usually I wouldn't be hungry before bed and would have a shake but had a shower and stayed downstairs to eat some free range beef steak skewers.
Today- legs. Hip external rotators still feel a bit stiff on the left side. It tends to feel worse when I am getting out of bed some potentially something to do with my mattress. Either way this is my last chance to do legs without me falling out of my routine so they will get done today.
bdcc
Legend
Third leg workout today. For those who haven't read from the beginning, here it is;
A1) Snatch Grip Deadlift 3-1-1-0 10 seconds rest
A2) 45 Degree Leg Press 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
A3) Hack Squat Machine 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
A4) Sumo Stance Deadlift 3-1-1-0 180 seconds rest
B1) Iso-Lateral Leg Extension 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
B2) Horizontal Hack Squat Calf Raises 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
B3) Donkey Calf Raises 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
B4) Plantar-Flexed Seated Leg Curl 3-0-1-0 120 seconds rest
Usually 3 x 8-12 across the board. On this workout (third time I have done it) I changed the rep/set parameter to 4 x 6-8.
This workout kicked my arse. I managed to complete it slightly over the one hour mark (65 minutes) as I had to take a couple of breaks for my back pumps to subside. So much so that I had to wait to go and clear up my deadlift bar because I didn't dare try and take the 20kg/45lb plates off. I didn't throw up, which was a bonus as my appetite is high as it is without projecting what I have already consumed back up.
Hip is a little stiff, will be stretching it a few times before the day is out.
Genuine tip for AnaBeta-01 users. The only way I have found to mitigate the huge appetite increase is to train so hard you feel nauseous. It sounds like I am making a joke but it is genuinely the only time I have curbed it.
A1) Snatch Grip Deadlift 3-1-1-0 10 seconds rest
A2) 45 Degree Leg Press 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
A3) Hack Squat Machine 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
A4) Sumo Stance Deadlift 3-1-1-0 180 seconds rest
B1) Iso-Lateral Leg Extension 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
B2) Horizontal Hack Squat Calf Raises 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
B3) Donkey Calf Raises 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
B4) Plantar-Flexed Seated Leg Curl 3-0-1-0 120 seconds rest
Usually 3 x 8-12 across the board. On this workout (third time I have done it) I changed the rep/set parameter to 4 x 6-8.
This workout kicked my arse. I managed to complete it slightly over the one hour mark (65 minutes) as I had to take a couple of breaks for my back pumps to subside. So much so that I had to wait to go and clear up my deadlift bar because I didn't dare try and take the 20kg/45lb plates off. I didn't throw up, which was a bonus as my appetite is high as it is without projecting what I have already consumed back up.
Hip is a little stiff, will be stretching it a few times before the day is out.
Genuine tip for AnaBeta-01 users. The only way I have found to mitigate the huge appetite increase is to train so hard you feel nauseous. It sounds like I am making a joke but it is genuinely the only time I have curbed it.
bdcc
Legend
I ate breakfast this morning. Gluten free sausages from outdoor bred pigs (high pork content) with eggs.
An hour later I was very hungry so started cooking a baking tray full of chicken wings.
This stuff is crazily powerful for appetite increases. I wonder if 1 cap QID is actually too strong for me to start with. The possibility of eating clean and low carb on AnaBeta-01 is similar to the possibility of striking a match off a jelly, maybe slightly harder.
Today is chest and back. It is beautiful weather (for England i.e. 20 degrees lol) so I have had half an hour of sunbathing. Drinking BRP and WMS with 1 AB-01 and straight to the gym.
Update later.
An hour later I was very hungry so started cooking a baking tray full of chicken wings.
This stuff is crazily powerful for appetite increases. I wonder if 1 cap QID is actually too strong for me to start with. The possibility of eating clean and low carb on AnaBeta-01 is similar to the possibility of striking a match off a jelly, maybe slightly harder.
Today is chest and back. It is beautiful weather (for England i.e. 20 degrees lol) so I have had half an hour of sunbathing. Drinking BRP and WMS with 1 AB-01 and straight to the gym.
Update later.
bdcc
Legend
Something interesting to note.
Ryan posted this on his log;
Which is something I have also said a few days ago;
This shows that both of us have had the same experience and that my initial thoughts on this were not influenced by what I have read in anyone elses log. Consistent performing product.
Today's chest and back session mirrored this. Strength improvements across the board except for pull ups. Out of four chest and back sessions performed with all parameters kept the same for both muscle groups there has been one session where my dip performance was lower than it was in the previous workout and one where my pull-up reps were lower as well. Is this from the pump? Possibly. It hasn't reflected on any other exercises which is interesting.
A friend of mine said my arms were looking very vascular while I was training today. He is in the gym with me a lot so should be a decent judge.
My girlfriend said I am definitely looking wider across the chest, lats and shoulders which is the third time she has pointed it out since I have started this product. The pictures will tell the full story.
Ryan posted this on his log;
Which is something I have also said a few days ago;
This shows that both of us have had the same experience and that my initial thoughts on this were not influenced by what I have read in anyone elses log. Consistent performing product.
Today's chest and back session mirrored this. Strength improvements across the board except for pull ups. Out of four chest and back sessions performed with all parameters kept the same for both muscle groups there has been one session where my dip performance was lower than it was in the previous workout and one where my pull-up reps were lower as well. Is this from the pump? Possibly. It hasn't reflected on any other exercises which is interesting.
A friend of mine said my arms were looking very vascular while I was training today. He is in the gym with me a lot so should be a decent judge.
My girlfriend said I am definitely looking wider across the chest, lats and shoulders which is the third time she has pointed it out since I have started this product. The pictures will tell the full story.
BarbellBeast
Well-known member
Great updates bdcc.. Sounds like a great supp as well!
nattydisaster
PESCIENCE.com
Great observation bdcc
bdcc
Legend
Thank you both.
Todays training was supposed to be legs. The last few days I have been waking up with a seriously stiff back and lumbo pelvic hip complex.
As it felt quite hard just bending down to the floor I decided snatch grip deadlifts probably wouldn't be a successful venture today.
Not one to enjoy missing the gym I moved my arm session two days forward. Training arms on a consecutive day to chest and back is definitely not optimal but in this instance was the best case scenario.
Anyway, biceps were stronger- triceps were weaker on a few sets. Feasible hypothesis- my biceps recover quicker than triceps which is perfectly plausible. Don't find these things out without experimenting!
The session was still productive, pumps were still very strong, appetite is still very high, as I am keeping an eye out for aesthetic changes my vanity has probably increased by about 20% as well lol.
BarbellBeast
Well-known member
Ya definitely take care of that low back. I tried doing bent rows the day after heavy squats(low back was sore like you explained)... Bad idea.. Suffered a low back injury for the last 2 months damn near. Finally back in action though and learned something from that mistake.
bdcc
Legend
Did you have the injury diagnosed? I would be curious to know what you had to be off for two months.
My most common injuries are always to the hips and lower back. When I wake up it is very painful and within an hour of getting up it has almost completely subsided. Today it just niggled on a little bit too long for me to warrant a legs session that creates such painful back pumps I invariably have to lie down at some point to try and relax it lol.
My most common injuries are always to the hips and lower back. When I wake up it is very painful and within an hour of getting up it has almost completely subsided. Today it just niggled on a little bit too long for me to warrant a legs session that creates such painful back pumps I invariably have to lie down at some point to try and relax it lol.
BarbellBeast
Well-known member
Well my doc didn't do Xrays. Just said it was a "pull" or "strain" of the low back. Since I had no sharp pain going through my legs. So of course they just doped me up on a ****ton of Vicodin.
Funny you say about pain waking up.. This is where I'm at now, waking up some pain, some days worse. Then 1-2 hours later, no pain at all. So I'm thinking some more stretching could help and some light lower back exercises to strengthen it up some. I've also heard foam rolling works great.
bdcc
Legend
Yes, foam rolling is excellent as a self myofascial release tool but it's large surface area makes it hard to get into deep muscles. It works well for the larger areas like the thoracolumbar fascia though, as long as you are careful!
I have been on my massage chair which has provided some relief. Hopefully I will get to the gym tomorrow. If it is still painful I will either go back to chest and back or do an alternative leg session.
It is easter over here so hours in the gym are different. Going to find out what they are and plan around them.
Day off today, chilling in the sun, getting a tan and eating lol.
I have been on my massage chair which has provided some relief. Hopefully I will get to the gym tomorrow. If it is still painful I will either go back to chest and back or do an alternative leg session.
It is easter over here so hours in the gym are different. Going to find out what they are and plan around them.
Day off today, chilling in the sun, getting a tan and eating lol.
BarbellBeast
Well-known member
I need me a massage chair.. Ya my gym will be closed on easter so I'll just have that as my off day.
How's the weather over there Ben?
bdcc
Legend
I hate having unscheduled days off. If I can't plan my training around it I try my best to go elsewhere. There was a gym around here which was open on Christmas day!
The weather over here is lovely thanks mate, as far as it goes for England anyway. It barely hits 30 on a consistent basis so anything above 20 degrees in April is very uncharacteristic. You know the sun is sparse here because as soon as it comes out everyone walks around half naked. 22 degree today warranted swimwear for me and my girlfriend lol.
The weather over here is lovely thanks mate, as far as it goes for England anyway. It barely hits 30 on a consistent basis so anything above 20 degrees in April is very uncharacteristic. You know the sun is sparse here because as soon as it comes out everyone walks around half naked. 22 degree today warranted swimwear for me and my girlfriend lol.
BarbellBeast
Well-known member
Damn that's pretty cold man.. lol. You're out tanning in that weather?
bdcc
Legend
Day 19. I am not due a weekly weigh in for 2 days but hopped on the scale first thing in the morning after going to the toilet.
Weight 85kg.+2kg from starting weight. This is way beyond a normal weight fluctuation for me as 83kg at the time of weighing was on the high side of average. On most days I usually weighed 82kg.
I am very happy with this. I haven't seen this weight on the scale for years and it would have been with higher levels of body fat.
An important note. While I say I am 'lower carb' than a lot of people. I was still getting in between 100g and 200g per day prior to starting this. I have increased my carb intake but there was no sudden jump due to glycogen replenishment from carb rebound, as you can see from my 7th day weigh in.
Weight 85kg.+2kg from starting weight. This is way beyond a normal weight fluctuation for me as 83kg at the time of weighing was on the high side of average. On most days I usually weighed 82kg.
I am very happy with this. I haven't seen this weight on the scale for years and it would have been with higher levels of body fat.
An important note. While I say I am 'lower carb' than a lot of people. I was still getting in between 100g and 200g per day prior to starting this. I have increased my carb intake but there was no sudden jump due to glycogen replenishment from carb rebound, as you can see from my 7th day weigh in.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Awesome re the gains, bud! :thumbsup: Nice to see that progress on the scale when it's wanted.
Like you, I am the same re "lower carb" - 100-200g a day is what I would consider "low" for me; anything less than ~100g a day to me is starting to be silly.
Hope you have a great and Blessed Easter today, mister!
~Rosie~
bdcc
Legend
Yesterday was legs. I iced by left hip and back to relieve some of the pain. It felt a lot better so I went to the gym.
To be safe, I did a leg session which minimised the strain on my lower back. Here was my routine.
A1) Prone Iso Lateral Leg Curl
A2) Seated Iso Lateral Leg Extension
A3) 45 Degree Hack Squat
A4) Seated Calf Raises
All exercises were 3 x 8-12 with a 2 minute rest after A4.
B1) Hammer Strength Seated Horizontal Leg Press
B2) Standing Calf Raise Machine
B3) Lying Horizontal Hack Squat Machine
B4) Alternate Leg Lowering
All exercises were 3 x 12 (alternative leg lowering was 12 per side) with a 2 minute rest after B4.
This is a replacement session for my intended programme. Strain on the lower back was minimal and it provided a stimulus for growth. It definitely was not a highly efficient programme and I am only using it to train legs while my back feels stiff.
Continued to ice my back for the rest of the day while hosting a barbecue and eating a lot of chicken. No alcohol consumed, obviously.
Chest and back tomorrow.
To be safe, I did a leg session which minimised the strain on my lower back. Here was my routine.
A1) Prone Iso Lateral Leg Curl
A2) Seated Iso Lateral Leg Extension
A3) 45 Degree Hack Squat
A4) Seated Calf Raises
All exercises were 3 x 8-12 with a 2 minute rest after A4.
B1) Hammer Strength Seated Horizontal Leg Press
B2) Standing Calf Raise Machine
B3) Lying Horizontal Hack Squat Machine
B4) Alternate Leg Lowering
All exercises were 3 x 12 (alternative leg lowering was 12 per side) with a 2 minute rest after B4.
This is a replacement session for my intended programme. Strain on the lower back was minimal and it provided a stimulus for growth. It definitely was not a highly efficient programme and I am only using it to train legs while my back feels stiff.
Continued to ice my back for the rest of the day while hosting a barbecue and eating a lot of chicken. No alcohol consumed, obviously.
Chest and back tomorrow.
BarbellBeast
Well-known member
Looks like a damn good W/O bud. I've had to do similar cause of my low back..
Come on Ben, not even 1 cold one???
Man a BBQ sounds good about now, what ya do for chicken? Just plain breasts or some marinades and spices?
Come on Ben, not even 1 cold one???
Man a BBQ sounds good about now, what ya do for chicken? Just plain breasts or some marinades and spices?
ryansm
Well-known member
beer can chicken:yup:
bdcc
Legend
Barbell- no alcohol at all, promise. I haven't had any alcohol in over a year minus supplement drops with an alcohol base. In the last two years I have had about 5 glasses of wine, that's about it.
On the day of the barbecue I marinated 1.6kg of chicken thighs and drumsticks. Half were in a pre-made tandoori rub with olive oil and the other half in ground coriander, cayenne, paprika and lemon juice with grated lemon on top.
For the record, the tandoori pieces were much nicer because it turned into a crispy layer on top. In the end I was the only one who ate the chicken so I had it all. Lovely weather, lots of meat and good company. Great day!
On the day of the barbecue I marinated 1.6kg of chicken thighs and drumsticks. Half were in a pre-made tandoori rub with olive oil and the other half in ground coriander, cayenne, paprika and lemon juice with grated lemon on top.
For the record, the tandoori pieces were much nicer because it turned into a crispy layer on top. In the end I was the only one who ate the chicken so I had it all. Lovely weather, lots of meat and good company. Great day!
BarbellBeast
Well-known member
Awesome Ben!! Sounds like you know your way with the grill.
I also quit the boozing quite a bit. I'll occasionally have a few dark beers from time to time, but no more getting shwasssted.
bdcc
Legend
I am a relatively primitive cook in my abilities but an expert Googler lol.
bdcc
Legend
Chest and back today.
Session went well. The gym was shutting early so I did have to dash my session a little quicker than usual- was contemplating going to the toilet to throw up at one point but it wasn't quite necessary. The work capacity on this programme is still hard to handle within the hour when pushing all sets to failure.
Everything is getting stronger except the bodyweight exercises. My chin ups have not improved for two sessions and my dips have only improved by one rep. This is very out of character for me. Seems to be correlated with the AnaBeta-01 as Ryan has noticed the same thing.
Scale weight this morning was 84kg. Nice to be fluctuating between 84-85kg as the 83kg I weighed at the beginning was a kg heavier than I would consider myself on the average day (82kg was the most regular weight by far) so if 85kg can be my most regular weight I would consider it a net gain of 3kg.
Session went well. The gym was shutting early so I did have to dash my session a little quicker than usual- was contemplating going to the toilet to throw up at one point but it wasn't quite necessary. The work capacity on this programme is still hard to handle within the hour when pushing all sets to failure.
Everything is getting stronger except the bodyweight exercises. My chin ups have not improved for two sessions and my dips have only improved by one rep. This is very out of character for me. Seems to be correlated with the AnaBeta-01 as Ryan has noticed the same thing.
Scale weight this morning was 84kg. Nice to be fluctuating between 84-85kg as the 83kg I weighed at the beginning was a kg heavier than I would consider myself on the average day (82kg was the most regular weight by far) so if 85kg can be my most regular weight I would consider it a net gain of 3kg.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Interesting. Do you think perhaps it could be because of the increase in body mass, since these exercises are so dependent re weight "used"?
~Rosie~
bdcc
Legend
This is a good point and something I meant to bring up. Ryan's weight has increased more substantially to mine so I can understand his making a difference.
When I calculate the weight used I used to take total weight i.e. bodyweight on the day (in training clothes) plus the external load. I found that when my weight increased it did so gradually enough that I could increased the external load as I would usually without taking into account any increase or decrease in bodyweight.
When I have increased weight before I have never had a drop off in bodyweight exercises so I would look for an alternative hypothesis. Admittedly at the moment I don't have one. It seems odd that the pump makes bodyweight exercises very hard but every other exercise is increasing like it would normally.
Answers on a post card, reps to the most plausible explanation?!
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Could be, especially if you ADD EXTRA weight when doing those exercises (i.e. dumbbell or plate, etc.)
Do note though, that even if you are only doing the same number of reps as you were at the start of all this and it appears that you are not improving, if your body mass is heavier than on starting and continues to increase each week, with you able to complete the same number of reps for these exercises as the week before, you ARE in fact making progress re strength, additional external weight or not.
~Rosie~
bdcc
Legend
I take the total weight in instances where my weight changes dramatically. For example, when cutting I add extra weight to make up the bodyweight deficit rather than keeping the external weight the same and actually lowering the absolute load from session to session.
In this instance with AnaBeta-01, my weight increase in the last 10 days has been 1kg, with my rep number on the pull ups not improving i.e., 1kg increase over 2 sessions. Less than 1% increase.
In the last 5 days my weight is down 1kg and my rep number on the first set of exercise B1) is down 1 rep.
So, performance on this exercise has definitely suffered and stalled, same with dips. Not on any other exercise.
I hope that clears up the confusion.
My strength increases have been steady on everything else, as expected. I don't think the supplement has contributed to any substantial increase so far. Physically it has made a difference that is noticeable in the mirror within 3 weeks. It is very strong, appetite wise it is potentially too strong for me at times. I felt so empty with hunger last night my girlfriend went to make me an omelette so I would definitely eat again rather than going to bed. I ate almost 350g of gluten free, outdoor bred sausages on a barbecue tonight and came home an hour and a half later to eat pork belly with rice noodles. Usually I would have to wait 3 hours between two meals of this size.
ryansm
Well-known member
My opinion on the BW exercises like dips and pull-ups is I typically do them after or as a super-set with compound exercises, thus I believe the "pump" from AnaBeta-01 is hindering my performance. I'm very in tune with my CNS and it's not this, I'm still able to fire explosively. I didn't get a chance to train today, so tomorrow I will test this by placing weighted dips after my first flat bench routine as opposed to after my second compound chest movement.
bdcc
Legend
I have a post where I mentioned a possibility of this on my back. Since then I have had nothing new to make me think it. My torso is quite hard to judge as I epilate all the hair out of it so tend to get spots when the hair grows back. I have had nothing on my face at all.
Thank you very much, it is kind of you to say so.
Yes, the A exercises are a circuit and the B exercises are a circuit. 10 seconds rest between each and 2 minutes rest after A4 and B4 before repeating it.
It is very gruelling indeed. The original legs programme (before I made the change due to a stiff lower back) was the hardest and although I completed it under the hour, it always took it out of me.
%1RM it is hard to say, there is no specific calculation I use because I have never used giant sets in training before. The fatigue build up is so high that it completely skews my estimates on the 1RM continuum. My rule for this is, if it falls between the 8-12 rep range then I increase the weight on a set-by-set basis in the subsequent training session.
Nattydisaster told me nothing about the supplement at all. He seemed confident it would provide results. I make my log objective and measured so improvements are undeniable. I dislike logs where everything is subjective and opinion based. It makes the supplement sound great as long as they use emotive language lol.
This is interesting. In my case chest dips are the third pec exercise with little rest so will suffer from fatigue build up but all other exercises have been getting stronger in all other programmes with the exception of pull ups.
Narrow parallel pull ups are first in my back routine so the first set of them has no bicep or back pump and the first set has not improved in the last two workouts which is very uncharacteristic for me.
bdcc
Legend
Day 22:
Weight- 85kg. Very happy that my weight is stabilising at this as it is definitely heavier than I am used to at this body fat percentage. This is 2kg up from my starting weight in 3 weeks (the first time I weighed 85kg was within three weeks of starting, not today's measurement), it also shows that when I weighed myself at this before it wasn't just a fluke from a large fluctuation after a carb up.
Legs today. Kept the new legs programme which is more lower back friendly. It forces me to do an easier session but would prefer to let my back recover and hit it hard again than constantly be forced to perform a tougher session half heartedly, it isn't in my nature.
Notes so far:
- Appetite is easily the most noticeable difference. It is non stop and very fierce at times.
- I am confident that I am looking fuller. A close friend of mine came over on Saturday and said my shoulders were bigger than when he last saw me which was about a week and a half ago.
- Vascularity in the gym is improved. I confess to being more obsessed with looking in the mirror because my arms look the best they have ever looked.
Overall, very positive so far. I am happy with the way things are going and if they continue this way will definitely be getting a few bottles off my own back. 5lb naturally in less than three weeks without any form of carb rebound or dirty bulk is something that I am happy with as it is much faster than I progress normally.
Weight- 85kg. Very happy that my weight is stabilising at this as it is definitely heavier than I am used to at this body fat percentage. This is 2kg up from my starting weight in 3 weeks (the first time I weighed 85kg was within three weeks of starting, not today's measurement), it also shows that when I weighed myself at this before it wasn't just a fluke from a large fluctuation after a carb up.
Legs today. Kept the new legs programme which is more lower back friendly. It forces me to do an easier session but would prefer to let my back recover and hit it hard again than constantly be forced to perform a tougher session half heartedly, it isn't in my nature.
Notes so far:
- Appetite is easily the most noticeable difference. It is non stop and very fierce at times.
- I am confident that I am looking fuller. A close friend of mine came over on Saturday and said my shoulders were bigger than when he last saw me which was about a week and a half ago.
- Vascularity in the gym is improved. I confess to being more obsessed with looking in the mirror because my arms look the best they have ever looked.
Overall, very positive so far. I am happy with the way things are going and if they continue this way will definitely be getting a few bottles off my own back. 5lb naturally in less than three weeks without any form of carb rebound or dirty bulk is something that I am happy with as it is much faster than I progress normally.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
"Overall, very positive so far. I am happy with the way things are going..." :bigok:
nattydisaster
PESCIENCE.com
Would you say the weight gain is definitely lean mass gain?
Im sure at your BF% you would notice an increase in BF very easily...and since you havent...sounding good!
Im sure at your BF% you would notice an increase in BF very easily...and since you havent...sounding good!
bdcc
Legend
Definitely. Here is a timely example.
I have just got back from the gym from doing an arms session. Two of the regulars (guys I talk to everytime I see them in there) made comments on my physique. One guy said I had put a lot of muscle on and the other one made a comment that my arms "look like an action man's".
It seemed coincidental that I received two compliments on the same day from unexpected sources so when I got home I took a flexed arm measurement. This would be approximately 30 minutes after my last set so was measuring them pumped.
I have done this before, taken flexed measurements cold and after training to see how much pump I really get. I have never quite topped 17" on my right arm (for consistency).
Measured it just now and it came in at 17.25". For a flexed arm measurement this is undeniable a huge improvement.
At the moment my upper body is definitely the biggest it has ever been. I have been receiving more regular compliments than ever. I have had a more sudden weight increase (without weight rebound from carbs or illness) than I have ever had before and am more vascular in the gym than I ever have been.
I am already keen to get some bottles on board out of my own money when it is released. If my weight managed to get up to 86kg or even 87kg by the end of the bottle it would be absolutely outstanding and rival gains that many of my friends get from chemical assistance.
Results wise, in terms of mass gained and body composition changes I couldn't really be happier at this point as it has surpassed my expectations.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Hormonal/chemical assistance does not make gains any easier or faster than doing things the right way naturally - as you are seeing. AnaBeta-01 is definitely a product that is delivering results like you wouldn't believe. Awesome progress and results so far, bud, and I, like you, can't wait to get another bottle!
~Rosie~
BarbellBeast
Well-known member
GUNSHOW!!