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products that were found to contain the wrong stuff

ccnAbolic said:
A troll post by a consultant for a reputable company?
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hardknock said:
Obviously, it wasn't a troll post, at least, I hope not...wouldn't look very good for him if it was being that he's a known member....
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Yes, it's been a week since he stated that a huge bomb would be dropped 'soon' Whats his exact definition of soon? He hasnt even posted since. Until further notice he is now listed as a troll to me.
 
Kind of like how "TheWriting" aka Natalie, posted up test results with promises of further test results then disappeared. On that note NTBM Nate also promised to post up test results, never did. Btw I emailed him for a return, have not heard back yet. Off topic sorry.
 
bezoe said:
You are correct, in that we dont know what were getting with any of this non- FDA approved stuff.
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Haha, most of the time we don't know what we're getting WITH the FDA approved stuff.

I'm doing a research/investigative paper for a psychology class now, and basically it's an argumentative piece bashing the FDA and large pharma companies for their pimping of antidepressants.

Did you know that there are over 40 studies (published and unpublished) that PROVE in proper lab settings, that a particular FDA approved SSRI doesn't work any better than a placebo, and actually causes more harm. The only reason it's approved is because the FDA only requires 2 studies proving that the medication is statistically effective. You think that the large pharms can't come up with the money to persuade 2 tests? :27:

thebigt said:
and don't forget the big multinational owned farms in california, new mexico, arizona who rely on illegal immigrants to work for slave wages-and treat them like crap. who could blame these illegals if they urinated or deficated on the produce after being taken advantage of by american big business. face it-the leaders of industry are not very nice people, and will do anything/everything to make an extra buck.

and who has to pay the price for corporate greed?????
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Corporate greed? You mean poor border control, right? The corporations are taking advantage of the illegals because they can. If the illegals weren't here illegally, they wouldn't be getting slave wages, and they'd have laws to protect them from being treated like crap. If they come here legally, I have no problem. If they're illegal, they deserve to be treated like crap, and given slave wages. So no, it's not corporate greed; it's left-wing hippies who welcome illegals with open arms, at which point they're taken advantage of (.. as they should be).

Anyway, to make this post somewhat related to the thread, the consumer will always be collectively retarded and the companies will always do what they can to exploit that. On that note however, if the companies taint products knowingly, they should be shut down, pay reparations, and the executives should be put to death, because we're running out of room for people in this nation, so let's start with removing the scum.

/semirant.
 
^Awesome, I mentioned earlier that I wouldn't get too involved in this thread because it will eventually become an off topic flame war. Unfortunately, I checked the thread again. I am unsubscribed now, so as mentioned earlier, if news does come, please PM me someone :D
 
Pipes said:
Kind of like how "TheWriting" aka Natalie, posted up test results with promises of further test results then disappeared. On that note NTBM Nate also promised to post up test results, never did. Btw I emailed him for a return, have not heard back yet. Off topic sorry.
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Actually this is pretty on topic, and kind of a big deal.
 
Pipes said:
Kind of like how "TheWriting" aka Natalie, posted up test results with promises of further test results then disappeared. On that note NTBM Nate also promised to post up test results, never did. Btw I emailed him for a return, have not heard back yet. Off topic sorry.
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It's definitely bad business to promise labs and not produce. Wouldn't* give me much faith in their company/products.


Still waiting on news from that CL rep too...
 
monstermash said:
It's definitely bad business to promise labs and not produce.
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Ok, ok... I'll produce some labs for you...

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monstermash said:
It's definitely bad business to promise labs and not produce. Doesnt give me much faith in their company/products.


Still waiting on news from that CL rep too...
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Do you know how long it takes for a lab to turn these results?
 
T-AD said:
Ok, ok... I'll produce some labs for you...

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OH my goodness!! :) that is the hands down funniest post I have ever seen!!!!!!!
 
Pipes said:
Kind of like how "TheWriting" aka Natalie, posted up test results with promises of further test results then disappeared. On that note NTBM Nate also promised to post up test results, never did. Btw I emailed him for a return, have not heard back yet. Off topic sorry.
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Can we have a link to the thread where this all goes down?
 
^^ Here is the link. For the record I'm not trying to stir this up again lol.

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BTW, nice meth lab lol.
 
Yes, that was the only lab test posted. There were claims that other tests for other products were being run as well, but nothing was ever posted. There was also speculation that the manufacturing company that was used for monster was also used for malicious mass, again nothing posted though.
 
Pipes said:
^^ Here is the link. For the record I'm not trying to stir this up again lol.

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BTW, nice meth lab lol.
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geezus, i wish you wouldn't have posted that link. just wasted 30 minutes scanning that hogwash.

worse than a f'ing he said she said movie.:dump:
 
I only posted the link due to request.

As far as was NTBM any part of the manufacturing process, in short.. yes. Mr Supps/NTBM/Ruthless Supplements appear to be sister companies. On paper/legally.. seperate, for all intensive purposes in the real world... same.
 
T-AD said:
Ok, ok... I'll produce some labs for you...

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hahahahahahahha classic
 
THE BOMB. I REPEAT, I FOUND THE BOMB!

Heres a thread that was mysteriously closed in the supplements section. At the end people are directed somewhere where less people will see the thread.:

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mildot said:
Ya, let us put in a sprinkle of milk thistle and say it has organ protection...
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this is true in many different ways-just because a label lists an ingredient doesn't mean there is enough of it to cause an effect-


damned proprietary blends.:damnit:
 
baldymcgee said:
i think the "bomb" is related to the discontinued Thermogenic Thyro...., since the same poster recently made a similarly cryptic post on bb.com in an old Thyro... thread. I also recall some Thermolife rep was looking for certain batches of Thyro.... a while back to test and assured everyone they would flip over the results...
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Ding ding ding....
 
kingdong said:
THE BOMB. I REPEAT, I FOUND THE BOMB!

Heres a thread that was mysteriously closed in the supplements section. At the end people are directed somewhere where less people will see the thread.:

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wow that was a horrible thread and an incredible waste of time reading it! It was almost nothing but personal attacks back and forth with little to no substantiated proof of anything. BTW, not commenting on you king, just that thread.
 
kingjameskjf said:
wow that was a horrible thread and an incredible waste of time reading it! It was almost nothing but personal attacks back and forth with little to no substantiated proof of anything. BTW, not commenting on you king, just that thread.
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Fair enough. That thread was closed and became a link to another thread that wasn't in the supplement section. I mainly think it's important for the Patrick Arnold part. Do you guys believe that he really tested the stuff and found only bioprene? That's a big deal!
 
If he found only bioperene then the people's before and after body transformations would not be signifigantly different, its called competition. You guys got to understand, in this social civilized world, people still have one big instinct, the instinct of survival.
 
kingdong said:
Fair enough. That thread was closed and became a link to another thread that wasn't in the supplement section. I mainly think it's important for the Patrick Arnold part. Do you guys believe that he really tested the stuff and found only bioprene? That's a big deal!
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If it's all true, then I agree that it is definitely a big deal, but PA can't even verify if the caps were from the actual product since some third party person sent them to him. If it is just the bioprene, then the actives aren't even in there which would lead to a whole new mess of responsibility, weather it was knowingly done by the company or if they were getting shafted by the manufacturer. I say this because we have all our raws tested and have found discrepancies before when sourcing through some distributors. That then begs the question of weather that company tested their raws before releasing the product. I don't know enough to comment on it or them and their practices so this is merely JMO.
 
kingjameskjf said:
If it's all true, then I agree that it is definitely a big deal, but PA can't even verify if the caps were from the actual product since some third party person sent them to him. If it is just the bioprene, then the actives aren't even in there which would lead to a whole new mess of responsibility, weather it was knowingly done by the company or if they were getting shafted by the manufacturer. I say this because we have all our raws tested and have found discrepancies before when sourcing through some distributors. That then begs the question of weather that company tested their raws before releasing the product. I don't know enough to comment on it or them and their practices so this is merely JMO.
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the thing i find confusing in this whole mess is the results of the loggers???


btw-needto said he used a company he hadn't used before to manufacture the monsterdrol. he also posted up his e-mail address and offered money back to anyone who wasn't satisfied-he says that only 5 or 6 have asked for a refund, and that most of the users seemed happy with results.

this is not opinion on my part, i never purchased the product-just cliff notes from reading all of threads.
 
kingjameskjf said:
If it's all true, then I agree that it is definitely a big deal, but PA can't even verify if the caps were from the actual product since some third party person sent them to him. If it is just the bioprene, then the actives aren't even in there which would lead to a whole new mess of responsibility, weather it was knowingly done by the company or if they were getting shafted by the manufacturer. I say this because we have all our raws tested and have found discrepancies before when sourcing through some distributors. That then begs the question of weather that company tested their raws before releasing the product. I don't know enough to comment on it or them and their practices so this is merely JMO.
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OK this is fair. Maby we should all PM Patrick Arnold, and see if we can get him to buy a bottle himself and test it.
 
thebigt said:
the thing i find confusing in this whole mess is the results of the loggers???


btw-needto said he used a company he hadn't used before to manufacture the monsterdrol. he also posted up his e-mail address and offered money back to anyone who wasn't satisfied-he says that only 5 or 6 have asked for a refund, and that most of the users seemed happy with results.

this is not opinion on my part, i never purchased the product-just cliff notes from reading all of threads.
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I thought that was odd too. All of them seemed very positive and if it was just bioperene then I would have expected much different results. I did see that needto made that offer which is pretty stand up. I can't really say that I see anything that would mar them or their name unless more controlled/professional tests are done and prove otherwise.
 
kingjameskjf said:
I thought that was odd too. All of them seemed very positive and if it was just bioperene then I would have expected much different results. I did see that needto made that offer which is pretty stand up. I can't really say that I see anything that would mar them or their name unless more controlled/professional tests are done and prove otherwise.
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agreed.
 
Just throwin this in the mix, pertaining to product names that contain -drol, -stain, epi-, -plex (sometimes)...

View 1: Why any company would even suggest these nowadays is beyond me. With the FDA crackin down left and right, aren't these names just part of what would trigger those dummies to put that company under the proverbial microscope? Why name anything, even remotely, after something that is either grey-area or outright on the Fed's coal-in-the-stocking list?

View 2: I find it silly that companies use -drol, et.al in names and people jump on it. Monsterdrol...I'll admit, kinda sounds funny but it's not as bad as some I've heard. It's catchy marketing, and just because something starts or ends with something "familiar" to that particular realm of "supplements", some schmuck is gonna make assumptions and jump all over it. Well, not someone, but many. Company makes a quick buck, product gets "discovered", fun is over - on to the next.


Just an observation, as i sit here pondering what to run next: 9 weeks of SuperMonsterBeastinPlexaDrol or 6 weeks of dat dere... ah, hell, I can't even finish that one.

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