PH side effects, who REALLY has them

bigbeef

bigbeef

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I am just wondering how much talk about side effects from ph use is real and how much is just hype. I mean no one I personally know has ever had a single problem other than slightly elevated BP and some lethargy. I use to use real gear like crazy over extended period of times, yet ph's are run on a average of 3 to 6 weeks. Yes I realize most are methylated and can stress the liver and I am not trying to say they are perfectly safe, I just do not see the sides in my own use and the guys I train with have no issues. My partner just had blood work after 4 weeks of sd and lmg, checking for cholesterol and lipids and everything is perfectly normal. I myself ran sd for 6 weeks with nothing coming back out of range on my blood work. My training partner is going to continue to run the sd and lmg and is going to get blood work in 2 more weeks. His wife is dr at hospital so getting test done is easy. We are doing a little research on our selves to see at what point is really the cut off point. I know everyone reacts different, I am just having a difficult time believing all the sides people complain of unless they are just using crazy doses or are really young
 
Under normal dosage usage, I only really experience elevated BP and some lethargy, like you said. The sides for me are not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I take support supps with any cycle, but the sides never really get out of hand or unmanageable. I don't see what all the fuss is about.
 
I've run superdrol in the past and the only sides I have ever experienced are sore joints and stress over waiting for more sides. I think people that run well educated and safe cycles will have minimal problems. Although I will say that the sore joints I had caused me some serious problems towards the end of my cycle.
 
Blood pressure and lethargy are the only ones that really get me and its usually just with SD. Some proper support supps and im all good. M1T however just killed me, made me feel like i had some kind of new flu or something. Sucked. Im sticking with injects from here on out, maybe the occasional oral jumpstart or finisher.
 
I'm with the godfather!!

Mdrol, Pplex, and epistane all have the same results....little lethargy, little bit o backpumps (dosage dependent), sore joints to an extent (cissus helps), a smidge higher BP and liver enzyme count, with a good bit of support supps.

I think its one or two overeactive people having a bad run that start all the hype....at first I thought I must respond really well, then realized people must be exaggerating thier sides or getting bunk batches.
 
alright, good to hear. I just thought I must be crazy or something. I tend to think people like to play it up so they feel like they are using black market gear or something
 
I'm on my first strong PH/DS (MDrol), and although some have stated that it's a bit strong since I've only used andro and LG's Trifecta stack in the past, I don't have many sides.

I'm dosing at 10/20/20, and just ended my 2nd week. considering to do a 4th week, since I got bronchitis right now, and I think it might have hurt my gains. Unfortunately, there's no way for me to get a blood test here, so I'm running all the proper support supps and have my PCT planned out w/ plenty of extra in case a longer PCT cycle is needed. The only sides I'm getting are increased thirst, slight back pumps that are solved by some Taurine, and lethargy. Although the lethargy compounded w/ food coma really sucks. I did get some slightly sensitive nipples early in the first week, but that only lasted about 10 min.
 
androgenic PS and PH (tren analogs, or anything that hardens or makes you really strong) will absolutely accelerate MPB-related hairloss if you are prone. they will cause some increased aggression too, but you might not notice.

strong and/or progestagenic compounds make my balls shrink.

and then of course, the lethargy, transient BP increase and liver value elevation.
 
stacked M,14add and M-lmg back to back. Got gyno with prolactin that lasted for 6 weeks while dosing nolva 20 mg daily. Just recently had multiple days in a row without lump of any kind. Prolactin lasted three weeks. 26 lb gain , kept 18 after six weeks pct.
 
:popcorn: OOOOOOOOO You have bigger balls than me! M14add makes me so freeking anxious....
Big billy said:
stacked M,14add and M-lmg back to back. Got gyno with prolactin that lasted for 6 weeks while dosing nolva 20 mg daily. Just recently had multiple days in a row without lump of any kind. Prolactin lasted three weeks. 26 lb gain , kept 18 after six weeks pct.
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im with you bro

i dont get side effects from PHs or even other stuff
 
i havent had any problems on anything ive used (phera, mdrol, estane, TEST, DBOL) but i was shut down hard on XTREN...clomid brought me back better then ever though
 
bigbeef said:
alright, good to hear. I just thought I must be crazy or something. I tend to think people like to play it up so they feel like they are using black market gear or something
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No, I think it really is just that some percent of people get different sides than others. In that you and your friend are at the non-normal end of the spectrum with cholesterol staying normal, I know i'm at the non-normal end for blood pressure - to where it seriously doesn't matter what I take at what dose, my bp never goes over 135/85. But my HDL crashes easy. Outside of that i don't even get lethargy from superdrol or phera, and really only ever got back pumps pulsing superdrol at 30mg all at once preworkout. At the same time I know someone who almost lost his job on a superdrol cycle, he was so lethargic the whole time after day 3, and only 20mg/day.
 
EasyEJL said:
No, I think it really is just that some percent of people get different sides than others. In that you and your friend are at the non-normal end of the spectrum with cholesterol staying normal, I know i'm at the non-normal end for blood pressure - to where it seriously doesn't matter what I take at what dose, my bp never goes over 135/85. But my HDL crashes easy. Outside of that i don't even get lethargy from superdrol or phera, and really only ever got back pumps pulsing superdrol at 30mg all at once preworkout. At the same time I know someone who almost lost his job on a superdrol cycle, he was so lethargic the whole time after day 3, and only 20mg/day.
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This. My hdl crashes with almost every oral ive used. And it takes longer and longer to recover after each cycle. In terms of "feeling" sides I would have to agree, nothing really makes me feel bad. But just because you dont feel bad doesnt mean something isnt drastically wrong....
 
Did mild 3week Mdrol at 10mg/ed ran OTC pct, and felt fine. Blood work may have said different.
 
i'm susceptible to prolactin sides and I need an AI to run test but that's pretty much it
 
liver values shot after sd/epi even after preloading and running cycle support supps... recovered a lil after pct

no lethargy on sd... bit of sore joints on epi

and not estro sensitive so ive popped two adex pills for my whole cycle....

havent needed caber on tren either :)
 
colindep said:
What were your gains like on the 10mgs of Mdrol?
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It was around 7months ago but i got about 8kg.

(Also any young guys that see my comment and think its fine to run an OTC PCT with Mdrol because i stated i felt fine with no sides from doing it. Dont do it!! without knowing what your getting yourself into first..... :) )
 
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