Boladrol - A Brand New PH from IBE!

T-Bone said:
No I wasn't trying to call you out. Just trying to get a feel for what you were trying to say. In general on this board and many others people have the mentality that if its a harsher PH/PS product than it should only be used by those with experience. Now, besides the knowledge that this "experienced person" may or may not have about steroids what is the point?.

The inexperienced person can do the research on the product on his or her own. However,if it is a new untested product with extremely limited research and findings, than I would think whether the experienced person took it or the newbie it wouldn't make much difference. They both have the same knowledge about this new product and only got that knowledge from reading things on the internet that may or may not be truth.

I'm not trying to argue, just trying to start up an interesting conversation and get some answers and opinions on this subject.
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Fair enough. I honestly believe that a person who never touched a steroid can research just as well as a person with previous steroid experience as well. Where I feel like it differs is a user of steroids, particularly harsh steroids (and this is assuming an intelligent user who monitors health), has experienced the signs of many health effects, and is most likely to be quicker to react to it, or "know" (I say that loosely) if they need to lower their dosage. Either way, a user of a compound such as this one is taking a risk, because as you mentioned, anecdotal information is very limited, as well as any studies.
 
T-Bone said:
No I wasn't trying to call you out. Just trying to get a feel for what you were trying to say. In general on this board and many others people have the mentality that if its a harsher PH/PS product than it should only be used by those with experience. Now, besides the knowledge that this "experienced person" may or may not have about steroids what is the point?.

The inexperienced person can do the research on the product on his or her own. However,if it is a new untested product with extremely limited research and findings, than I would think whether the experienced person took it or the newbie it wouldn't make much difference. They both have the same knowledge about this new product and only got that knowledge from reading things on the internet that may or may not be truth.

I'm not trying to argue, just trying to start up an interesting conversation and get some answers and opinions on this subject.
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I agree to a degree T, but also feel there is definite value to an experienced user only compound....

An experienced user is going to know to take certain precautions in the first place, I believe that is HTS's main point...

Other then that an experienced user also knows to be more cautious (usually) and to do certain things like use a lower dose regardless of rec max then adjust slowly up from there to assess tolerance and effects. They will be more likely to monitor bp, pay attention to tell tale signs like headaches and other signs of hyper tension. If similarly toxic compounds like sd, m1t, dbol our anadrol have been used before, most know the feeling of ick that negative liver values may exert on the body our even worse to look out for yellowing of skin and eyes and to immediately abort instead if trying to "push through it" like a newbie foolishly may do. Frequent urination in small amounts and other signs showing prostate enlargement may be over looked by a newbie.....

This doesn't mean much for any "experienced" user that hasn't run similar compounds or taken time to educate themselves thoroughly on all the negative aspects of steroids, namely oral ones, so running a couple cycles by no means deems one "experienced".

I think having experienced users, as I outlined above, testing a new compound is definitely beneficial for everyone, being better able to assess and identify the effects, both bad and good. Those users can then in turn offer viable tester feedback to both the manufacturer and the other viewing users as to what may be an appropriate dosing scheme and what to be weary of if one chooses to attempt using such an oral...

Jmo, but having the truly experienced user test is definitely crucial. Hope this better explains our view.
 
HereToStudy said:
Fair enough. I honestly believe that a person who never touched a steroid can research just as well as a person with previous steroid experience as well. Where I feel like it differs is a user of steroids, particularly harsh steroids (and this is assuming an intelligent user who monitors health), has experienced the signs of many health effects, and is most likely to be quicker to react to it, or "know" (I say that loosely) if they need to lower their dosage. Either way, a user of a compound such as this one is taking a risk, because as you mentioned, anecdotal information is very limited, as well as any studies.
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Exactly what I was thinking, didn't realize you already stated basically the same thing....

MrBigPR said:
With my knowledge I could roll the dice
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Agreed
 
Good post Poopster!. Isn't reading up on the side effects and learning everything you can about a product before you use it just common sense though?. How else are you gonna know what to expect?. I mean your gonna be putting this stuff in your body, so it would be a good idea to at least take some time and learn about it first.

I don't know what else to say, you pretty much wrapped things up Pooper.
 
I'm interested to see blood work on this product. Specifically AST, ALT, HDL, LDL, and Bilirubin. It would be most helpful to see these values during PCT. Several SERMS have been associated with liver damage including Tamoxifen and Toremifene Citrate.
 
T-Bone said:
Good post Poopster!. Isn't reading up on the side effects and learning everything you can about a product before you use it just common sense though?. How else are you gonna know what to expect?. I mean your gonna be putting this stuff in your body, so it would be a good idea to at least take some time and learn about it first.

I don't know what else to say, you pretty much wrapped things up Pooper.
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This is where it helps to know the alpha testers ;)
 
T-Bone said:
I'm interested to see blood work on this product. Specifically AST, ALT, HDL, LDL, and Bilirubin. It would be most helpful to see these values during PCT. Several SERMS have been associated with liver damage including Tamoxifen and Toremifene Citrate.
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ryansm is bring blood done and has base line values already :thumbsup:
 
when does this hit ther market?
 
Lol, have you bothered checking the logs jc?

I've gained approx 5lbs and some very decent strength one week in, ryan sm has had similar, mich stated his effects in his log too and trauma is going to be updating asap but is very busy with our new liner and preparing the info release along with his busy job at the ER and a family life.....

Try searching boladrol in advanced search with the search title only filter turned on.
 
jbryand101b said:
im sorry if you do not understand this. maybe you should look into researching the subject if you care about it making sense?
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Ok look,



Originally Posted by jbryand101b
all in all said:
steroids are fat soluble[/B], and some of the steroid could get passed through along with the undigested fat.
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Fat soluble means that it will dissolve and absorb better when ingested with fat. This is one of the reasons people need to eat enough fat. Vitamins A,D, E, and K are also fat soluble.


"solubility
n pl -ties
1. (Chemistry) the ability of a substance to dissolve; the quality of being soluble
2. (Chemistry) a measure of this ability for a particular substance in a particular solvent, equal to the quantity of substance dissolving in a fixed quantity of solvent to form a saturated solution under specified temperature and pressure. It is expressed in grams per cubic decametre, grams per hundred grams of solvent, moles per mole, etc."
 
so then, you think your body absorbs 100%, or even 80% of the fat you ingest? you must be a pretty hefty guy then.

I personally feel pro hormones, or thp ether steroids should be taken with fat to help aid in absorbtion, and other oral steroids, particularly methylated steroids, which do not need any help being absorbed, should be taken on an empty stomach for maximum absorbtion and prevent steroid from being not absorbed with un digested fat.

how much fat do you have that is undigested? check your stools (turds) do they float, or sink? if they float, you have alot of undigested fat, if they sink, not so much.

so take your methyl steroids with a full meal full of fats, then when you take a sheet, look at your turds floating in the toilet and think, those are some anabolic turds.

but I am no expert. but I did get this idea, or information if you will, from other experts such as william Llewellyn, seth roberts, patrick arnold, a.roberts. but what do these guys know right?

instead of proving me wrong, why dont you go for bigger fish, and email say, william Llewellyn, he is on a number of forums, including this one (molecular nutrition) and tell him how wrong he is, and that the information he has put in all 10 editions of "anabolics" is wrong, and why he should change it.
go for gold, im just small potatoes. you could make a name for yourself like that bro.
 
jbryand101b said:
so take your methyl steroids with a full meal full of fats, then when you take a sheet, look at your turds floating in the toilet and think, those are some anabolic turds.
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Never thought about making a signature until now, OH..EM..GEE

:speechless:

I can't express the amount of laughter I had. Well, I didn't mean to work abs today but by golly I did! Jee Willikers!!!
 
jbryand101b said:
but I am no expert. but I did get this idea, or information if you will, from other experts such as william Llewellyn, seth roberts, patrick arnold, a.roberts. but what do these guys know right?
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Hahaha... I have nothing else to say on Bola, but the bolded here is just comical.
 
Since its a diol version, does that mean its stronger than bolasterone? I never had good success with bolasterone, it was good don't get me wrong, but I'd much prefer dbol.
 
it is a diol version, meaning it will already be able to bind to the androgen receptor without having to convert, though not as strongly as the parent hormone, and also, because it is a diol, it is incapable or aromatizing into estrogen, though the parent hormone can aromatize into di methyl estrogen.

I predict this new compound will trump superdrol as king ds. it is going to be epic for those who know how to use compounds such as these to the best of their ability.

hats off to ibe, this compound is in a whole new league. my log will be up on monday.
 
jbryand101b said:
it is a diol version, meaning it will already be able to bind to the androgen receptor without having to convert, though not as strongly as the parent hormone, and also, because it is a diol, it is incapable or aromatizing into estrogen, though the parent hormone can aromatize into di methyl estrogen.

I predict this new compound will trump superdrol as king ds. it is going to be epic for those who know how to use compounds such as these to the best of their ability.

hats off to ibe, this compound is in a whole new league. my log will be up on monday.
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log should be epic def will drop by
 
I have opted instead to save my review for the end of my cycle, and post a one page review/opinion on the compound, and entire cycle.

but I will say this, and update opinions from time to time, as I have over on phf:

first week (full 7 days): up 7lbs, strength and agression in the gym: in this area, I have to liken myself to a diesel engine, once I get warmed up, I can just keep doing sets and not want to quit, it's like there is no fatigue.

example: squats: warm up 185x10, 2nd set, 225x10, 3rd set, 275x10, 4th set 315x6. by the way, that was a new pr. last time i went above 300 was 305 for 3. I'm expecting to do even more on monday.
Also, that did not end my leg workout, I continued on to calf raises, leg curls, leg extensions, all sets pretty much done with whole rack.

agression was a little tough to handle first few days. was a little short tempered at work & at home, but it's smoothed out a little.


sides: no estrogenic sides as of yet, but I dont expect to see these until the 3rd or 4th week.

headache: a slight headache, but nothing like I got from superdrol, or m1t, or oral turinabol.

increas in acne everywhere, esp on chest,shoulder, & back. but as long as I drink enough water, and dont skip a shower, it's not that bad, but def more for me, than i've had before (except when using 1,000mg of 4-androstenediol)

also an increase in facial hair growth, I cant believe how quickly im having to shave. I have a baby face, and at 27, still cant connect my go-t with my mustache, or grow a beard. but looks like by the end of this cycle, i'll be able to.

no shedding though, yet. no back pumps yet. though did ge some pretty wicked leg pumps after legs/arms.

also, do not train any arms when attempting to train chest. your forearms will be too pumped to hold the dumbells to do fly's/press, and you may drop them like i did. (if you dont have a spot, like i dont)

this not to discredit pa in any way, I respect his opinion on compounds and aas info, but 4mg of this stuff so far is pretty amazing to me. I like it better than superdrol & m1t.


I hope ntbm releases this compound, because it is great so far, congrats to ibe for releasing this.

btw, bp is still in okay range. nothing out of ordinary for me when im on cycle, also, I have not changed my diet.
 
Excellent feedback JB! This compound sounds tasty! I can't wait to lay my steroid greedy paws on some to try for myself :).

Congrats on the squats too. 315*10 next time!
 
i want to buy this so bad but for some reasone the site doesnt want t accept my visa
 
rochabp said:
i did but he said his service provider did not accept visa gift cards for some reason
so im out of luck
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Oh haha yeah, it is an authorize.net thing, I have had that problem before trust me! Actually I don't want to say it is just them, a lot of online merchant service providers don't accept them, not really sure why but it has to be a security thing.
 
rochabp said:
i did but he said his service provider did not accept visa gift cards for some reason
so im out of luck
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When they, PHF, signed up for the CC account, if they did, they signed with a company that "sells" credit card contracts from all of the major cc companies and then those companies usually uses A.net to "talk" back and forth or to be a gateway.

For instance, someone such as UPS (united payment services) will allow you to fill out the application to carry CCs and give you a certain limit/max for processing sales per month. They are one of many companies that have a contract with the CC companies.

They basically "sell" contracts to stores for the CC companies. So, if they (whomever the CC authorized dealer) is, will not accept the gift card, authorize.net cannot process it.

I have a contract with a large third party company which uses Authorize.net as a gateway, and they will not allow gift cards.

So, CC companies pass off contract dealings to 3rd party "resellers", ex, United Payment Services, and they work with A.net to actually process (print out bills, refunds, charge backs, print out sales history, blah blah blah)

I talked to the owner at PHF or one of them, "boardadmin"? and introduced him to a guy that I know whom has helped me correct my paypal issues with my store so their paypal system may be fully functional soon. I know he said that it was very "quirky" lately.
 
jbryand101b said:
it is a diol version, meaning it will already be able to bind to the androgen receptor without having to convert, though not as strongly as the parent hormone, and also, because it is a diol, it is incapable or aromatizing into estrogen, though the parent hormone can aromatize into di methyl estrogen.

I predict this new compound will trump superdrol as king ds. it is going to be epic for those who know how to use compounds such as these to the best of their ability.

hats off to ibe, this compound is in a whole new league. my log will be up on monday.
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What makes you think this is going to be better than superdrol, a ph which many say is by far the best PH ever made?
 
CROWLER said:
What makes you think this is going to be better than superdrol, a ph which many say is by far the best PH ever made?
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Not sure what their response is yet but it seems to give you less lethargy, more fat loss, and more aggression in the gym, especially early on. SD will always be up there as one of the best OTC's ever but it is quite impressive that Boladrol is able to give the same gains with a better side effect profile and more fat loss.

In fact fat loss is not something anyone expected, it is something we saw more in the beta testing phase.
 
LakeMountD said:
Not sure what their response is yet but it seems to give you less lethargy, more fat loss, and more aggression in the gym, especially early on. SD will always be up there as one of the best OTC's ever but it is quite impressive that Boladrol is able to give the same gains with a better side effect profile and more fat loss.

In fact fat loss is not something anyone expected, it is something we saw more in the beta testing phase.
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Any of the beta blood work back yet?
 
henryv said:
Any of the beta blood work back yet?
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None of the guys who we sent them out to yet, most of them are still taking it but we have bloodwork from a few guys who we are having a problem getting from them. The don't want to put it up on the internet which really sucks. They had it done a little after the 2 week mark at 4mg/day after 6-8 lbs of gains. We did this to be sure there wasn't a high level of toxicity so we could stop it early if need be. No elevations in lipids or ALT/AST above what they were before or out of NL in any of them but we will need more people to determine if this is truly the case
 
LakeMountD said:
Not sure what their response is yet but it seems to give you less lethargy, more fat loss, and more aggression in the gym, especially early on. SD will always be up there as one of the best OTC's ever but it is quite impressive that Boladrol is able to give the same gains with a better side effect profile and more fat loss.

In fact fat loss is not something anyone expected, it is something we saw more in the beta testing phase.
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VERY nice! What I have seen so far is it really is some good stuff.
 
LakeMountD said:
None of the guys who we sent them out to yet, most of them are still taking it but we have bloodwork from a few guys who we are having a problem getting from them. The don't want to put it up on the internet which really sucks. They had it done a little after the 2 week mark at 4mg/day after 6-8 lbs of gains. We did this to be sure there wasn't a high level of toxicity so we could stop it early if need be. No elevations in lipids or ALT/AST above what they were before or out of NL in any of them but we will need more people to determine if this is truly the case
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They're pretty easy to anonymise in paint.
 
LakeMountD said:
Not sure what their response is yet but it seems to give you less lethargy, more fat loss, and more aggression in the gym, especially early on. SD will always be up there as one of the best OTC's ever but it is quite impressive that Boladrol is able to give the same gains with a better side effect profile and more fat loss.

In fact fat loss is not something anyone expected, it is something we saw more in the beta testing phase.
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I definitely lost some fat on three weeks. I lost about 3/4 inch in my waist
 
bigbeef said:
I definitely lost some fat on three weeks. I lost about 3/4 inch in my waist
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Overall, what were your stats start and finish, strength wise. I'm not really concerned about the size factor or weight gain.
 
hardknock said:
Overall, what were your stats start and finish, strength wise. I'm not really concerned about the size factor or weight gain.
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when it was all said and done I was about 4 lbs lighter than when I started. I am kinda nursing a bad shoulder so took it easy on bench, mainly just dumbells, but I added about 15 pounds to that. Shoulder press I only added about 5 lbs to my max, but was able to rep it 6 times instead of once. and I added about 20 lbs and 5 reps to my squats. Leg press I added 90 lbs and 5 reps
 
CROWLER said:
What makes you think this is going to be better than superdrol, a ph which many say is by far the best PH ever made?
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because I have had the pleasure of being able to run both superdrol in the past, and am now currently running boladrol.

in my opinion, boladrol is a better compound.

better than sd + test? maybe not. i havn't ran boladrol + test yet.
 
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