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Clomid only cycle.

The450Man

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This is more of an experiment but my goal is to gain mass without the ups and downs of AAS.

My starting dose has been 12.5mg every day for 5 weeks.

Blood test results as fallows. The "NOW" results are after 5 weeks of clomid.

Blood Test--------Previous---------------Range-------------Now-------------Range

LH-------------------8.9--------------1.5-9.3 MIU/ML-------29.8----------1.5-9.3 MIU/ML

FSH------------------3.9------------1.6 - 8.0 MIU/ML-------15.3----------1.6-8.0 MIU/ML

Testosterone---------670--------------250-1100 ng/dL---------860--------250-1100 ng/dL

Testosterone, Free--101.1------------46.0-224.0 pg/mL--------184----------35.0-155.0 pg/mL

Testosterone, Bio----221-------------110.0-575.0 ng/dL------------------------------------

SHBG-----------------30----------------7-49 nmol/L-----------------------------------------

ALBUMIN--------------4.8--------------3.6-5.1 g/dL----------------------------------------

Estradiol-------------20-------------< OR = 29-PG/ML-----------53---------13 - 54 PG/ML

Well my test wasnt as high as I had hoped for, but at 12.5mg I cant complain 670 to 860 is alright I guess. Would really like to get into the 1000's but that is asking allot.

Free Test is good. 184 with a range of 35.0-155.0 pg/mL .

My E2 ratio is 16.2:1 (Test:E2). It seems kind of low to me despite near high levels of E2. Might explain the higher levels of free test. I wonder what my SHBG levels look like. I thought it was included in the tests I requested but i guess not. I dont know weather to decrease E2 or leave it be. Is it the level of E2 that matters the most or the ratio?

Another thing that makes me worry is the fact that my LH has increased by 334% with only a 77% increase in Test. Normal?
 
normal- if clomid where kown to boost testosterone ALOT- it would be used for other things than pct- i dont see why you didnt just get some tcf-1 and testopro-safer
 
schwellington said:
normal- if clomid where kown to boost testosterone ALOT- it would be used for other things than pct- i dont see why you didnt just get some tcf-1 and testopro-safer
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Still we have someone posting blood work of doing something quite a few people have mentioned. To each their own, especially considering we deal in a world of shadows(AAS) we cant exactly tear someone else's experiments and interests down unless it was downright unsafe.

Bloodwork has showed a nice increase, what I would be interested in is what it looks like after your done.

And clomid at 12.5mg is such a tiny dose I will have to research to be sure, but I dont think safety will be a big issues...
 
AtlasEnduring said:
Still we have someone posting blood work of doing something quite a few people have mentioned. To each their own, especially considering we deal in a world of shadows(AAS) we cant exactly tear someone else's experiments and interests down unless it was downright unsafe.

Bloodwork has showed a nice increase, what I would be interested in is what it looks like after your done.

And clomid at 12.5mg is such a tiny dose I will have to research to be sure, but I dont think safety will be a big issues...
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I wasnt tearing his experiment down- just questioning why he wouldnt try something that isnt a research chemical (unless he used rx)


And as for dosage- ur right 12.5 is nothing and clomid has low hepatoxicity anyways
 
Thanks for the test. It's nice to see the changes clomid brings.

... Is that normal for the Estrogen to rise so much though? I figured the test was suppose to rise while the estrogen would remain low.
 
Your test is perfectly fine. It's actually pretty high for a natty. That's more than likely not what is holding you back from gaining.
 
FatalFunnel said:
Thanks for the test. It's nice to see the changes clomid brings.

... Is that normal for the Estrogen to rise so much though? I figured the test was suppose to rise while the estrogen would remain low.
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Ive always had issues with estrogens being high in the first place. Im under the assumption that I have an abnormal levels of an Aromitase Enzyme. My estrone levels are usually VERY high. I am under the consideration of using a AI, decrease some E and free up some more T.

AtlasEnduring said:
Still we have someone posting blood work of doing something quite a few people have mentioned. To each their own, especially considering we deal in a world of shadows(AAS) we cant exactly tear someone else's experiments and interests down unless it was downright unsafe.

Bloodwork has showed a nice increase, what I would be interested in is what it looks like after your done.

And clomid at 12.5mg is such a tiny dose I will have to research to be sure, but I dont think safety will be a big issues...
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Correct, 12.5 mg is a very low dose. Many people take 25+, for PCT its not uncommon to see people taking 100mg.

schwellington said:
normal- if clomid where kown to boost testosterone ALOT- it would be used for other things than pct- i dont see why you didnt just get some tcf-1 and testopro-safer
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The glory of clomid is stability. You dont have the ups and downs one has when taking AAS. Granted you keep your estrogen levels in check and dont take super level doses of clomid. This is important with someone like me who has anxiety.

It boosts your own test production, balls grow bigger, shoot bigger loads, etc. Dont have to worry about the suppressive effects of "harsher" chemicals.

My goal is to get over 1200 with clomid and an aromatase inhibitor which i will hold those levels for a year.
 
FatalFunnel said:
Thanks for the test. It's nice to see the changes clomid brings.

... Is that normal for the Estrogen to rise so much though? I figured the test was suppose to rise while the estrogen would remain low.
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a SERM will modulate estrogen, not destroy it completely. there was a significant increase in his total test, therefore his body produced more est to catch up and try to balance out. perfectly normal for clomid
 
FatalFunnel said:
Thanks for the test. It's nice to see the changes clomid brings.

... Is that normal for the Estrogen to rise so much though? I figured the test was suppose to rise while the estrogen would remain low.
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totally normal. What you see happening is that clomid is effectively a very weak estrogen type substance that binds to estrogen receptors in certain tissue, so actual estradiol can't bind to it. What that means is that free serum levels of estrogen should rise, as it isn't going anywhere. This is a part of where (I believe) the idea of superdrol "delayed gyno" comes from, that guys run too high a dose of serm for too long for PCT, and don't taper it down at the end. Although I'd think that at 12.5mg some of the estrogen is still binding.
 
Test levels look pretty good for such a low dose. To control the estrogen I'd run a low dose AI. The combination would give you higher test levels. I have problems with clomid making me emotional. Dont think I've run doses that low. Thanks for the bloodwork. If you do experiment with adding an AI, post the bloodwork. You might look at triaz, the new AI by DS. Some of the others will give false pos. for test due to being a steroidal AI.
 
with the elevated test levels wouldnt estrogen actually be beneficial? as long as the test levels are high there should be no problems with elevated estrogen, only benefits.

not an expert here....just adding my thoughts.
 
ax1 said:
with the elevated test levels wouldnt estrogen actually be beneficial? as long as the test levels are high there should be no problems with elevated estrogen, only benefits.

not an expert here....just adding my thoughts.
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I would be worried about the sex drive esp after op adds an ai.
Clomid on its own can reduce mine slightly. If I kill estro too much by dosing the ai high I will have next to no libido. This is from someone who likes to bash their girl 3+times a day. if I take a tiny bit of ai it goes up a little bit, then with a higher dose it crashes.
 
EatMeat said:
I would be worried about the sex drive esp after op adds an ai.
Clomid on its own can reduce mine slightly. If I kill estro too much by dosing the ai high I will have next to no libido. This is from someone who likes to bash their girl 3+times a day. if I take a tiny bit of ai it goes up a little bit, then with a higher dose it crashes.
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If you can do it (i guess i should say ... if she can do it) three times a day... you're not doing it right.

BEAST
 
EatMeat said:
I would be worried about the sex drive esp after op adds an ai.
Clomid on its own can reduce mine slightly. If I kill estro too much by dosing the ai high I will have next to no libido. This is from someone who likes to bash their girl 3+times a day. if I take a tiny bit of ai it goes up a little bit, then with a higher dose it crashes.
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the key is to have estrogen in an optimum range, to low or too high does it.

My assumption why clomid decreases your sex drive (and why people complain about being moody) is from the increase in estradiol. Clomid has afinity for the hypothalamus making it think your levels are low but estradiol still exerts its effects in other areas of the body and mind.
 
hmmmmm yah I'm on pct 100clomid week 2 I get deppresed but no libido so im thinking of add ing prami back cuz I noticed increase in libido is that ok
 
u gonna b an emotional wreck.... just kidding. Everyone responds diff. clomid gives me bad bad bad sides.
 
an ai should not be needed for something like this while on a SERM- you want to keep estrogen from raging out of control- not kill it- some estrogen is good!
 
schwellington said:
an ai should not be needed for something like this while on a SERM- you want to keep estrogen from raging out of control- not kill it- some estrogen is good!
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yea, the problem is one should aim to have a respectable ratio of E to T mine is 16:1 , Id like to be 25:1.

Im thinking Arimidex .25mg EOD.

Ive never messed with AI's and I dont know on what kind of scale they effect estrogen levels.
 
On a scale of 13 - 54 he's at 53. So my thought was to bring that estrogen level down to the lower end of the scale. An AI would reduce the amount of estrogen but raise test levels. Just dont go too high on the AI and you'll be fine. As far as the dosing I'm not familliar enough with arimidex.
 
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promote your log here ^
 
SouthernCharm said:
promote your log here ^
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I would love to link but i dont have enough posts.

Anyone think it would be detrimental to increase the clomid dosage? I WAS thinking about 12.5mg day 1 and 25mg day 2. My only worry is that my LH is near 30. Is this 3 fold increase normal for 12.5mg of clomid?

I also have some liquidex on the way to bring those estrogen levels down.
 
[YoQUOTE=Wilderbeast;2567479]If you can do it (i guess i should say ... if she can do it) three times a day... you're not doing it right.

BEAST[/QUOTE]

There is an optimal level of estro relative to test for everybody as far as libido goes like 450man said. You have to experiment and you'll eventually find the sweet spot. Naturally my sex drive is high and I lift so I can look good to feed the need so when I take hormonal supps I'm just as concerned about effects on libido as I am on muscle gain
What's the point in looking jacked and huge if you have to walk around like all demasculated and can't get a boner without viagra? I wouldn't want to live with that even for a short while unless it was going to be worth it (if I ever were to compete)

Why would you post some irrellevent bs on here like that? What's the matter you can't get it 3 times a day? Can you even go for 3 rounds? How frequent are you hittin it up 3 is nothing for me. I could go 4 or 5 or more cause my body chemistry allows for that and I can't remember when the last time I had to wack it. The only time I release my stuff is when I'm donating it to a female

Hey "beast" If you can't do it (oh yeah I should say if she can't three times a day).... then you'd NEVER be able to do it right. Yeah that's right so you can quit reading this and get back to your pathetic little life or go look at some porn cause your girl don't give it to you (if u even have one)
 
This is really cool and i thank you for actually posting the bloodwork.

Although i wouldve like to see a higher dose of clomid, as im using 100mg right now. Running it like 100/50/50/25 for test boosting purposes due to low test from a previous cycle.

but to think that 12.5mg would have that much effect, i really wonder what 100mg does haha.
 
good post, thanks for the info!

there's a reason why some porn stars have been known to run low doses of clomid! I know someone that ran 25mg when he and his wife were trying to get pregnant...
 
MikeGfilms said:
This is really cool and i thank you for actually posting the bloodwork.

Although i wouldve like to see a higher dose of clomid, as im using 100mg right now. Running it like 100/50/50/25 for test boosting purposes due to low test from a previous cycle.

but to think that 12.5mg would have that much effect, i really wonder what 100mg does haha.
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Blood test so we all see
 
Jasen said:
Blood test so we all see
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Im gonna make a thread soon, but today i was at the hospital where they took blood once. then injected me with depot lupron. waited 30min and took blood again. then waited 30min another time and retook blood. I should have the results in 2 weeks. Today is one week on clomid for 100mg.
 
What is lupron
 
Sound kilter its for women or lil kids wtf y did you get it
 
I still am not sure, they said something along the lines of, its is being used to see how your bodys hormones will change and be effected"

After 3 hours with an IV in me getting blood taken 3 seperate times...I just wanted to get the hell out of there...Then of course to get a phone call literally 15 feet from leaving the door in the hospital, saying my cousin died, 25 y/o from a heart attack...what a day that was.
 
Funny too because thats what the lady told me lol. she was like hm this is usually used for really young children or women in menopause or some **** lol. My Endo had it like specially ordered to do.

Forgot to tell you all im actually a 8 y/o kid on here...not lol
 
sorry man about cousin. But yah man so whats benefit? To see your hormones work y
 
Im not exactly sure, It ties into the whole low test levels I had im guessing.

Btw sorry for the thread hijack lol
 
Hmmmmmm
 
MikeGfilms said:
Im not exactly sure, It ties into the whole low test levels I had im guessing.

Btw sorry for the thread hijack lol
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Sounds like they are giving you a medical test boost. Apparently Lupron lowers Estrogen and increases male hormones via Invalid Link Removed
 
Can we take those pct ?
 
lol i highly doubt you can use it fro pct, plus i dont think youd want to either, my joints are killing me, and i still can barley walk from the injection. my entire left quad is still swollen.

but hey if it gives me more test then im good with one haha. wonder how long itll be in my system for
 
MikeGfilms said:
lol i highly doubt you can use it fro pct, plus i dont think youd want to either, my joints are killing me, and i still can barley walk from the injection. my entire left quad is still swollen.

but hey if it gives me more test then im good with one haha. wonder how long itll be in my system for
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Not even sure if it's exclusive to test... could be a whole lot of other parameters involved as well.
 
MikeGfilms said:
lol i highly doubt you can use it fro pct, plus i dont think youd want to either, my joints are killing me, and i still can barley walk from the injection. my entire left quad is still swollen.

but hey if it gives me more test then im good with one haha. wonder how long itll be in my system for
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Can't be worse than primo high dose or tren 3cc which I have done in quad before
 
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