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Discussion of different DAA products

that is about all you can do, either spread it through the day so its less noticeable, lower the dose, or possibly take it all prebed and hope you sleep through the headaches
 
Thanks for the help guys, did start at 4 in the morning, tried split, down to 3, and then 2. When the headaches started it actually continued after I stopped taking it for weeks, a constant tension headache from when I woke up til bedtime, only getting better when I took conscious steps to relax full via massage, deep breathing daily etc. I think the headache part freaked me out so it feed back into the anxiety.

Once I feel I'm back at 100% (With aid of gaba and phenibut, not sure if I can get picamilon, then might try some DAA bulk solo then, or try again starting with a much lower dose and ease in.

I think right now I'm happy to have found a possible connection to the cause of the headaches, and it's been a wakeup call to properly de-stress.

Thanks guys! Any more advice is welcomed :)
 
fightbackhxc said:
Took TCF-1 for 12 days ( the study duration ). Noticed increased acne, oily skin, and increases in libido. Seemed to work for me! Next Ill do 24 days.
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Let me know when you decide to start that 24 day run, fightback.

RAHHH said:
TCF-1 and HCGenerate have been nice to me.
i rather run it 30days on 30days off. nvm the 12 days.

just me thow
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What did you notice from 30 days of TCF-1? Had you run it for the standard 12 days prior to the 30 day run?

Liftingstud said:
Finishing 2 bottle of TCF-1. First bottle was used during 14 wk test e pct and really helped in pct. I think this product reallty shined here, really no drop off coming off the test. After pct took a 5 day break and cracked the second bottle which I am about done with. Def having positive results in all areas. So much so just ordered another bottle to stack with DS triazole and AI testoPRO.
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Thank you for the continued support!
 
I ran tcf 1 solo for 12 days on then during pct for 36 days straight, daa really works best during pct as far as I'm concerned, some great synergy with other pct products especially shbg inhibitors.
 
MidwestBeast said:
I've used NP's bulk DAA and didn't notice any difference. I am about to start my 2nd round of it next week, so I'll update if I notice anything this time around.

I've heard really good things from friends about PP's stuff.
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That's odd... aren't results usually encountered pretty fast? Were you coming off a cycle or using it during the off season?
 
Outstanding said:
That's odd... aren't results usually encountered pretty fast? Were you coming off a cycle or using it during the off season?
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it is odd as the advert for PPs version says you get an increase in test after12 days.

have you asked NP for the certificate of analysis for their product , IN a muscle and development i read recently that some DAA sourced from China is L Aspartic acid which is a different ball game.
 
corsaking said:
it is odd as the advert for PPs version says you get an increase in test after12 days.

have you asked NP for the certificate of analysis for their product , IN a muscle and development i read recently that some DAA sourced from China is L Aspartic acid which is a different ball game.
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This was wrong just for you information to know. Patrick Arnold tested two on the market (one being Nutra) and made these speculations.....only to retract all the statements saying he tested the stuff wrong and that all out on the market he tested was 100% good to go. Kinda shady that got printed IMO........ in the article all about PAs version.
 
Grambo said:
This was wrong just for you information to know. Patrick Arnold tested two on the market (one being Nutra) and made these speculations.....only to retract all the statements saying he tested the stuff wrong and that all out on the market he tested was 100% good to go. Kinda shady that got printed IMO........ in the article all about PAs version.
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has he retracted the statement in a later version of M and D?

Some may go for the product thats backed by PA , for others and perhaps the majority , i think its down to price .I know of 3 imports -all supplement companies from the US which have been made available on UK sports supplement sites , the cheapest is £19.99 . another £28.49; the most expensive £33.99
So if someones not too sure about the product , but would like to give it a shot, then it would make sense to go for 19.99 product.just my view

ill let you take a guess which one is PAs
 
corsaking said:
it is odd as the advert for PPs version says you get an increase in test after12 days.

have you asked NP for the certificate of analysis for their product , IN a muscle and development i read recently that some DAA sourced from China is L Aspartic acid which is a different ball game.
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Someone probably already beat me to this, but yes this has been cropping up and seems to be an issue for many, PA described something called spectro-something or other in MD two months ago.

EDIT: I just read above... I have a subscription and don't remember him retracting anything, I wonder what went down. He never pointed at Nutra PLanet specifically in the article, but maybe word got out, and they wanted the air cleared before they let E-Pharm on the forum?
 
Can anyone share any experiences from using DAA for longer than 12 days? I think a few people mentioned trying 24 day and 30 day durations.
 
SilentBob187 said:
Can anyone share any experiences from using DAA for longer than 12 days? I think a few people mentioned trying 24 day and 30 day durations.
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X2. The cost and effectiveness would all seem to beckon users to continue administration, at least until diminishing returns or side effects outweigh benefit.
 
SilentBob187 said:
Can anyone share any experiences from using DAA for longer than 12 days? I think a few people mentioned trying 24 day and 30 day durations.
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I used for 36 days stacked with phytotest during pct. My other supps at the time were the rest of the trs. I noticed increased libido, continued boost in the gym of energy and strength, slight sense of well being, increased muscle hardness and fullness. I didn't have any real side effects, not even acne, just some increased oily skin but I shower so its all good. Best part was is kicked in about day 6 and lasted all the way til the final day and into maybe 4 days after.
 
HATEFULone said:
I used for 36 days stacked with phytotest during pct. My other supps at the time were the rest of the trs. I noticed increased libido, continued boost in the gym of energy and strength, slight sense of well being, increased muscle hardness and fullness. I didn't have any real side effects, not even acne, just some increased oily skin but I shower so its all good. Best part was is kicked in about day 6 and lasted all the way til the final day and into maybe 4 days after.
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Thanks for the feedback going longer than 12 days on DAA... I think after my proper actual PCT has played out (starting October 1st with my first dosage of Clomid), I will stay on DAA ongoing until my next anabolic cycle begins to have a complete bridge of sorts. More data will have surfaced by then as well, so I look forward to continuing to learn.
 
HATEFULone said:
I used for 36 days stacked with phytotest during pct. My other supps at the time were the rest of the trs. I noticed increased libido, continued boost in the gym of energy and strength, slight sense of well being, increased muscle hardness and fullness. I didn't have any real side effects, not even acne, just some increased oily skin but I shower so its all good. Best part was is kicked in about day 6 and lasted all the way til the final day and into maybe 4 days after.
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have you ever used phytotest on its own? im interested in feedback

thanks
 
I've been using it about 6 weeks solidly, but along with other test boosters, so its hard to say. Plus my scenario is a little odd, having come off 18 months of TRT with no PCT. My libido is up, getting random wood, strength starting to go back up, etc
 
T-AD said:
I'm equivocating Anthony Roberts to Larry King or Oprah anymore. Just sayin'.



Just to throw it out there, Hard FX or the HardFX / TST Powercell combo from AX provide a good dose of DAA along with other compounds that make for some very stellar results.

And for all you quality hounds out there, see attached.
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Say i came across 2 bottles of TST Powercell, what do you think about dosing it at 6-8 caps a day? Not sure how much DAA is in 1 serving (4 caps) but it can't be more than 2g.
 
Killerkanadia said:
Say i came across 2 bottles of TST Powercell, what do you think about dosing it at 6-8 caps a day? Not sure how much DAA is in 1 serving (4 caps) but it can't be more than 2g.
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Ummmm... Try it and let me know how it goes! :D
 
Erase/MassFX/TST

The TST is sold stacked with HardFX, and HardFX has DAA in it, so im sure a couple more caps of TST won't hurt. I will play with the doses since it's my first time taking DAA.
 
I'm familiar. It's sold with either MFX, HFX, or Carnobolic. Just an FYI for anyone out there interested in it. Good deal, too. It's like a 1.5 price of a 2-bottle stack. :)
 
T-AD said:
I'm familiar. It's sold with either MFX, HFX, or Carnobolic. Just an FYI for anyone out there interested in it. Good deal, too. It's like a 1.5 price of a 2-bottle stack. :)
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I ran 2 bottles of Hard FX at 4 caps a day and did not feel much one of the weakess natty test I try !
 
alvin1 said:
I ran 2 bottles of Hard FX at 4 caps a day and did not feel much one of the weakess natty test I try !
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You know it's coming... Here it is!

What was your dosing protocol throughout the day?
What similar products have you taken recently and how recently?
What's your training goal, how fresh is your training program, how's your diet......


List goes on and on. Why? Because I'm obligated to help, want to help, but can't help with a vague statement like the one you made. Perhaps a bit more justification in there and it'd be a bit easier to help you.

At any rate, thanks for the feedback. It's been heard.
 
T-AD said:
You know it's coming... Here it is!

What was your dosing protocol throughout the day?
What similar products have you taken recently and how recently?
What's your training goal, how fresh is your training program, how's your diet......


List goes on and on. Why? Because I'm obligated to help, want to help, but can't help with a vague statement like the one you made. Perhaps a bit more justification in there and it'd be a bit easier to help you.

At any rate, thanks for the feedback. It's been heard.
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2 caps before bed and 2 caps 12 hours later ( depend on when I went to bed ) I did try a new training program with more reps and less time between set to try to do a recomp ! I try so many test booster......... I was looking for some result I got from Isa Test since ther is a anti-estrogen in it ! I was looking to get that thighter looking and some minor strenght gain. It is weird since on paper the product look really good, for exemple I always respond quite weel to product with testofen ! Diet I always good, I never drink soda are stuff like that, hig protein, medium carbs and medium fat intake ! Guest I was looking for the same kind of result I got from Hyperdrol x2 !
 
alvin1 said:
In all fairness libido/load where higher also !
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Well thank goodness for that! Though, I'd call that more of a "side effect" than a "direct effect". ;)

Thanks for responding and not trying to rip my head off. Props and reps for that. Sometimes, things don't turn out as expected. (Yes, cliche'ed line right there, but oh, well...) Results thus far with it have been good across the board, but we're always aware of a few exceptions.

Are you still training with that "new" workout plan? Reason I ask is that by now you could be used to it and can see what it has done for you. I'm a big proponent of doing things exactly the same and changing one variable at a time in order to properly gage what is working and what isn't. It's a very very slow process that way, but it does lead to good knowledge, experience, and time-saving in the end. I can't help but wonder that if you were doing a 'tried-n-true-to-you' workout plan if your experience would have been different with it. No matter, though. If you plan to have at it again, keep me posted. (I hope that you do.) If not, I appreciate your feedback regardless!
 
corsaking said:
have you ever used phytotest on its own? im interested in feedback

thanks
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Used phytotest solo once before, just one bottle though. Felt increased recovery and strength, slight increase in mass gains than usual. Felt leaner while bulking and had an increased libido. Worked well on its own but when stacked with the right products I think the synergy is awesome.
 
HATEFULone said:
Used phytotest solo once before, just one bottle though. Felt increased recovery and strength, slight increase in mass gains than usual. Felt leaner while bulking and had an increased libido. Worked well on its own but when stacked with the right products I think the synergy is awesome.
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I commit to logging DAA in my log (sig) during the dates I outlined in my Anabolic Blueprint spanning 2010 and 2011 at mega-dosages and dosages in between for all to follow and gather a perspective on.
 
corsaking said:
I know of 3 imports -all supplement companies from the US which have been made available on UK sports supplement sites , the cheapest is £19.99 . another £28.49; the most expensive £33.99
So if someones not too sure about the product , but would like to give it a shot, then it would make sense to go for 19.99 product.just my view

ill let you take a guess which one is PAs
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There's 4 I think. Bulk DAA powder from HeroSupps, capped DAA powder from BBW, PP's liquid sodium d-asp, and TestForce available at Predator Nutrition.
 
henryv said:
There's 4 I think. Bulk DAA powder from HeroSupps, capped DAA powder from BBW, PP's liquid sodium d-asp, and TestForce available at Predator Nutrition.
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Wow, Mr. A produces four iterations of DAA? Amazing.

I believe his next product will be the most effective, with his amino acid synergy finding. I am very excited about it, as it will be my first run of DAA using it as a bridging compound between that lonely void known as post PCT purgatory ;)
 
Outstanding said:
Wow, Mr. A produces four iterations of DAA? Amazing.

I believe his next product will be the most effective, with his amino acid synergy finding. I am very excited about it, as it will be my first run of DAA using it as a bridging compound between that lonely void known as post PCT purgatory ;)
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PA only makes TestForce (and now TestForce Two). The others I mentioned are rival brands that are also available in the UK.
 
I wonder why the original research was done on sodium d-aspartate. Sounds like extra work adding a sodium molecule.
 
kingdong said:
I wonder why the original research was done on sodium d-aspartate. Sounds like extra work adding a sodium molecule.
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maybe the others are just cashing in on the DAA , do we know if these other versions boost test to the same extent?

The variation in price must mean something -inferior product the cheaper it is? i dont know.
 
Someone mentioned T-up. Doesn't it have many other ingredients? I noticed, from a glance, b12, b6 and Massularia acuminate.

So it is not just Daa

And. mass fx? I know it once used AA but I never really looked at the latest profiles. Someone mentioned it has DAA as well?
 
hardknock said:
Someone mentioned T-up. Doesn't it have many other ingredients? I noticed, from a glance, b12, b6 and Massularia acuminate.

So it is not just Daa

And. mass fx? I know it once used AA but I never really looked at the latest profiles. Someone mentioned it has DAA as well?
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You are right about T-up.

MassFX does not have DAA, but it can be bought in a 2 for 1 pack with a new AX product called TST Powercell, which is:

TST PowerCell Proprietary Blend 590mg **
D-Aspartic acid, Cnidium (Standardized to 35%Osthol), Emblica Officinalis (50%extract)
 
EasyEJL said:
Thats basically the case, effectively its available as straight amino acid, sodium d-aspartate, and the calcium chelate.

What I find interesting is that the results for different people seem to be different for different products, but its not consistent at all. Not like everyone has better results from the sodium or calcium, but for an individual, one or another seems to work better or worse
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To add, the effects are starting to spread over a wider range. I was seeing people saying no change to some change to damn good but now it is like it - awesome to it did nothing at all.

I wish the study would have shown where the participant's T levels were prior to the DAA.
 
It seems like the people who feel it more, are typically the people with lower normal test levels, and also people who generally respond well to test boosters.

I rarely feel much of anything from test boosting supps, as i am 22 years old and would venture a guess that i am still pretty set naturally. I don't expect a lot from DAA, but i will try it out and test doeses to see what works(or doesn't) for me.
 
I am getting ready to start a cycle of DAA this week and I will be using the bulk powder
from Primaforce at 3 grams a day and I am planning to add in at day 15 four caps of Testo-pro from Anabolic Innovations. I have 2 jars of Test-pro so I am planning on running them back to back but I want to see what I get from the DAA thats why I am running it solo for 2 weeks before I add in the Testo-pro. I will post back and let everyone know how good it is.
 
I ran TestForce for about 20 days and had to stop due to stomach issues ("burning" diarrhea onset within 1 hour of taking it). I'm a big fan of PA and really wanted this product to deliver for me so I'm a bit dissapointed. I don't doubt it's a legit and effective supplement but the stomach issues really ruined it for me. While I was on I can't say I noticed all that much (possibly because my body violently expelled it shortly after each dose), perhaps a minor "hardening"/recomp effect, although I'm naturally pretty lean so it's hard to know.

I'll try running what I have left in the future and will probably big up version 2 when PA releases it. Hopefully my next experience w/DAA will prove to be more positive.
 
hardknock said:
And. mass fx? I know it once used AA but I never really looked at the latest profiles. Someone mentioned it has DAA as well?
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AA? As in arachadonic acid? Nope, MFX never had that in it.

Killerkanadia said:
You are right about T-up.

MassFX does not have DAA, but it can be bought in a 2 for 1 pack with a new AX product called TST Powercell, which is:

TST PowerCell Proprietary Blend 590mg **
D-Aspartic acid, Cnidium (Standardized to 35%Osthol), Emblica Officinalis (50%extract)
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You shillin brah? :D :hmmm: :cheers:
 
Which product from AX that carried the AA. I am pretty sure they had one or maybe I am mistaken and mixed, unless they changed the profile ... from what I can remember, this was several years ago.
 
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