KLEEN takes Anabolic Control with Natabolic & SWOLE! + many other goodies.

pembroke3355 said:
Good deal. I have used Ironmag Labs products and they are quality!!!
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Good to know, they have a product that converts to 1 test over there that looks pretty good. Members get a buy 2 get one free deal or something too. Not cheap but supposed to be pretty darn good.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Good to know, they have a product that converts to 1 test over there that looks pretty good. Members get a buy 2 get one free deal or something too. Not cheap but supposed to be pretty darn good.
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They sure do.
 
Haha you werent joking about more to read!

Excellent lifting!! That was one hell of a routine bro! I say you didnt slack in calling it early.

As far as the PS/PH....well im just gonna sit back and learn because im very ignorant about that area of supplementation. But i know you doing your homework and will go about it as safe as possible. I really can't imagine the gains ur going to get...its going to be ridiculous!!
 
Yeah I am pretty excited about it and to my surprise it was on my doorstep when I got home.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
When are you starting?
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Well I have been loading up on my support supps because I planned to start the HDrol this weekend so I think I am going to go ahead and kick this thing off tomorrow or Monday.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah I am pretty excited about it and to my surprise it was on my doorstep when I got home.
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Oh what joy, I just rcvd mine :) unfortunately I do not have those virgin receptors that you have but I'm gonna give it hell and looks like I may spike it with little 30mg Dbol pre wo as per TIM1985 layout

I'm on the back 9 and I'm coming home with three trophy ;)
 
edwitt said:
Oh what joy, I just rcvd mine :) unfortunately I do not have those virgin receptors that you have but I'm gonna give it hell and looks like I may spike it with little 30mg Dbol pre wo as per TIM1985 layout

I'm on the back 9 and I'm coming home with three trophy ;)
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Nice! Did you notice this is 10mg a pill, the ones I was reading about were 15mg a pill. Makes me even more comfortable with running it straight. I do not have the cool doctor you have.
 
MrKleen73 said:
This is what I am banking on and I am toying with the idea GVT during this time. It will keep my weights low and volume high to really take advanatage of the cycle, then in PCT I will move over to something like DC Training and go heavier. I have been reading that this is the way to keep the most mass. High volume lower weights during then lower volume higher intensity afterwards. We shall see what happens. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
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MrKleen73 said:
Nice! Did you notice this is 10mg a pill, the ones I was reading about were 15mg a pill. Makes me even more comfortable with running it straight. I do not have the cool doctor you have.
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MrKleen73 said:
Well I have been loading up on my support supps because I planned to start the HDrol this weekend so I think I am going to go ahead and kick this thing off tomorrow or Monday.
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That a boy!! No need to wait.

Go ahead and get the party started!!! :djparty::fest30::dance::
 
I trust you TG going to pop one now heading to the gym in 45 minutes.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Nice! Did you notice this is 10mg a pill, the ones I was reading about were 15mg a pill. Makes me even more comfortable with running it straight. I do not have the cool doctor you have.
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I am a litle confused now Kleen. Are you running the product that Edwitt has a picture of or the one that I had PM'ed you about? The one I was talking about and I don't want to mention the name because I don't think they sponsors here contained 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one Are you also running h-drol with this???
 
MrBigPR said:
u can name product just no links to outside stores
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I thought he was running 1 Andro Rx that converts to 1 test.



1-ANDRO Rx™ PRO-HORMONE
1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one


Pharmaceutical Grade 1-Androsterone
Increases Lean Muscle Mass
Increases Strength & Power
Helps with Cutting (getting lean)
Converts to 1-Testosterone
7 X the Anabolic Potency of Testosterone
Does Not Convert to Estrogen or DHT
No Bloating or Water Retention
 
Please don't follow the recommened pct that they suggest for this product it would be lacking big time. A SERM is a must with this IMO and if your running h-drol also. If I am reading it right this new product contains a form of Superdrol. If this is a 1st cycle I would not recommend this product. Not that it is not a good product just not for someone newer to these types of things.
 
Damn this sounds niiice :D Also, screw you guys for making me read a full page every 1/2 day lol
 
pembroke3355 said:
I thought he was running 1 Andro Rx that converts to 1 test.



1-ANDRO Rx™ PRO-HORMONE
1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one


Pharmaceutical Grade 1-Androsterone
Increases Lean Muscle Mass
Increases Strength & Power
Helps with Cutting (getting lean)
Converts to 1-Testosterone
7 X the Anabolic Potency of Testosterone
Does Not Convert to Estrogen or DHT
No Bloating or Water Retention
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No were both selected for a sponsored log,

This is their new product and they were looking for testers/loggers

:)
 
edwitt said:
No were both selected for a sponsored log,

This is their new product and they were looking for testers/loggers

:)
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Serious stuff please don't follow the recommened pct I saw they had setup for it. Anabolic Matrix and formadrol is not enough for this.
 
Oh absolutely not going to run that pct. I have a SERM on hand. I am also starting at 10 mg to assess sides. I am NOT going to run H-Drol with this that would be a bit too much for my taste. Not going to be running 2 methylated compounds together only chance I would do that would be a pulse but even then I think I would stick with one compound. Only way I will do 2 compounds is one not being methylated. I am a relative newbie to this so I will dose low at first see how I feel them move up if sides are not too bad. I will be checking my BP regularly as that is my biggest concern. I have normal bp but I don't want it getting out of hand. I started Hawthorne berry and Milk thistle about a week and a half ago then started Cycle Assist last Saturday while still taking the other two. I have a kilo of Taurine here a bunch of vitamin C and am picking up some COQ10, will be eating lots of garlic. I have been researching different compounds for quite a while now and this was the one besides HDrol that I was looking at. I feel more comfortable running this brand right now because it is 10mg and the other brands that are 15mg. If I can gain well on 10mg then I may not even move up. I will be watching out for the sides very carefully as my health is more important to me than muscle.
 
Natabolic Stack / SWOLE Stack Final Review

I weighed in at a very depleted 190 this morning.
To end tis run I have these Measurements even though I didn't take them before hand this is where I am at now and it isn't too bad for being as depleted as I am. These were taken upon waking after the morning download.

190 lbs
Chest 45 7/8 inches
Waist 33 just above navel
Thigh 24 1/2
Arms 15 relaxed 16 5/8th Flexed, No Pump

I do know I am obviously getting leaner. I was asked today by one of the guys at the gym. Hey man I thought you weren't competing this year what's up with that I see you must be getting ready for a show. Was nice to hear that my efforts are working.

I am actually pretty darn happy with the results of this stack. I gained a couple pounds LBM back getting me back to my LBM from last year during prep. All the injuries that plagued me throughout the year and really even during this run kept me from going for the gusto and the stack helped me add mass while cutting down. I started eating some carbs post workout and will be adding them in regularly this next week so I think once glycogen fills me up I will be about 195 again but looking pretty darn lean. Who knows considering what the S-DMZ is going to do as far as glycogen retention as it is supposed to be a major carb hog. I could easily be up to 199 by the end of the week in glycogen and carbs alone. I will be keeping a major eye on it though as I must still have what abs are showing or more in a week and a half for the first so I can not let myself get into an all mass frenzy.

Natadrol-PSarm - Ghenerate
I got a lot of recovery from this stack, doms were hard to come by for me. Once I moved up to 8 Natadrol it was almost impossible to get sore. I was kind of eating all over the place and still made progress having to use lower weights and higher reps due to injuries. I also hit some PR's while on this on exercises I could really push and that was great so there were definite strength increases. I started getting shut down about 2 weeks before my PCT started. When I went to 8 caps my testes got a smaller, and that was in the presence of STOKED as well so the combo of PSARM and Natadrol will definitely require an OTC PCT, at least for me. Sleep was of good quality basically all the way through. Several vivid dreams however they diminished more going further into the stack while sleep quality remained a constant.

PCT- SWOLE and Formadrol - I was running STOKED from week 3 on to limit shutdown, and I think it worked. About 5-7 days after starting Formadrol My boys were back up to size already. This was great although I noticed DOMS had returned a few days into PCT, where they were impossible for a while on the Natadrol. During second week of Formadrol I noticed DOMS begining to be less severe again and then I started Testopro 2 weeks into that and after about 5 days the DOMS were back to being very hard to accomplish. By the time I finished my Formadrol and had been on Testopro for a week my boys were actually feeling bigger than they were before the stack. All together this has been a great run even though there have been some inconsistency with diet and some periods of light weights being lifted for high reps.

Here is a picture of me today since this is my review I figured it is only proper to put a pic up.

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You look great bro! You should put up that before pic side by side, it looks like it's really paid off for you!!!

When do you think the most leaning out happened? During NataD cycle or PCT FormD and Stoked? Really interested in your PCT protocol, since my 8 week NataD cycle finishes in the next day or so...
 
MrKleen73 said:
Oh absolutely not going to run that pct. I have a SERM on hand. I am also starting at 10 mg to assess sides. I am NOT going to run H-Drol with this that would be a bit too much for my taste. Not going to be running 2 methylated compounds together only chance I would do that would be a pulse but even then I think I would stick with one compound. Only way I will do 2 compounds is one not being methylated. I am a relative newbie to this so I will dose low at first see how I feel them move up if sides are not too bad. I will be checking my BP regularly as that is my biggest concern. I have normal bp but I don't want it getting out of hand. I started Hawthorne berry and Milk thistle about a week and a half ago then started Cycle Assist last Saturday while still taking the other two. I have a kilo of Taurine here a bunch of vitamin C and am picking up some COQ10, will be eating lots of garlic. I have been researching different compounds for quite a while now and this was the one besides HDrol that I was looking at. I feel more comfortable running this brand right now because it is 10mg and the other brands that are 15mg. If I can gain well on 10mg then I may not even move up. I will be watching out for the sides very carefully as my health is more important to me than muscle.
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Please be very careful as this is a form of Superdrol one of the harshest most potent oral steriods around. Have that BP checked often and have bloodwork done as it can wreak havoc. I would run this no more than 3 weeks at a 10/10/20 dosage. If you get the pumps 5-8g of taurine should help. Not saying any of this to lecture you but because I care bro.
 
gwls said:
You look great bro! You should put up that before pic side by side, it looks like it's really paid off for you!!!

When do you think the most leaning out happened? During NataD cycle or PCT FormD and Stoked? Really interested in your PCT protocol, since my 8 week NataD cycle finishes in the next day or so...
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Thanks! Stoked was taken from 3rd week on at a 2 then 3 caps a day on 5 week of run to limit shut down, and 4 a day once PCT started. Formadrol Week 1 4-W2 4-W3 3 W4-2 for 3 days one for remainder of week, Testopro Started 3rd week of PCT at 4 caps a day, and ran until today. I am going to save the last week worth to run at the middle and end of my next pct. I believe the use of the Testopro prevents the rebound of estrogen from causing problems by negating the negative aspects through Estro modulation via the IC3.

As far as where I leaned out more hard to compare them I was eating a little loose on the natadrol at the beginning then toward the end of the Nata run I began to focus more on weight loss. I lost more weight in PCT but it was due to a big change in calories and clean eating as well as increasing cardio.
MrBigPR said:
don't believe the hype about carbs on this compoud...don't eat more than u have to
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Oh I am not going to I am only going to use about 150-200 around my weight workouts and keep things lower the rest of the time to see how that works. However if you have run this compound and say maybe it isn't as big of a deal then I will start with 100-150 around the workout. Use aminos for any insulin boost I want. Got to order some luecine to dump in my mix for that very purpose. If I see any fat gain I will immediately cut back on carbs. I don't think I will go over 2700-3000 cals for this run and that is ONLY if not gaining fat. Fat is not an acceptable option. No use in gaining weight to have to lose it again when I get off while my hormones are not full force and my cortisol levels jumping.

pembroke3355 said:
Please be very careful as this is a form of Superdrol one of the harshest most potent oral steriods around. Have that BP checked often and have bloodwork done as it can wreak havoc. I would run this no more than 3 weeks at a 10/10/20 dosage. If you get the pumps 5-8g of taurine should help. Not saying any of this to lecture you but because I care bro.
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You know I will be very careful. I more than appreciate you concern and I like that idea of a run. I need to see what the people sponsoring the run say about that. If so that will give me enough to run 2 stacks like that. I know for sure that I will be doing BP checks very regularly. Keeping an eye on my ears too. Anytime I do get slightly elevated my ears get red so I have a visual warning that will tell me to check it. However that only happens when dehydrated and on stims which is a stupid thing to do anyway. The only other time they get red is during workouts just from the increased blood flow.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Thanks! Stoked was taken from 3rd week on at a 2 then 3 caps a day on 5 week of run to limit shut down, and 4 a day once PCT started. Formadrol Week 1 4-W2 4-W3 3 W4-2 for 3 days one for remainder of week, Testopro Started 3rd week of PCT at 4 caps a day, and ran until today. I am going to save the last week worth to run at the middle and end of my next pct. I believe the use of the Testopro prevents the rebound of estrogen from causing problems by negating the negative aspects through Estro modulation via the IC3.

As far as where I leaned out more hard to compare them I was eating a little loose on the natadrol at the beginning then toward the end of the Nata run I began to focus more on weight loss. I lost more weight in PCT but it was due to a big change in calories and clean eating as well as increasing cardio.


Oh I am not going to I am only going to use about 150-200 around my weight workouts and keep things lower the rest of the time to see how that works. However if you have run this compound and say maybe it isn't as big of a deal then I will start with 100-150 around the workout. Use aminos for any insulin boost I want. Got to order some luecine to dump in my mix for that very purpose. If I see any fat gain I will immediately cut back on carbs. I don't think I will go over 2700-3000 cals for this run and that is ONLY if not gaining fat. Fat is not an acceptable option. No use in gaining weight to have to lose it again when I get off while my hormones are not full force and my cortisol levels jumping.


You know I will be very careful. I more than appreciate you concern and I like that idea of a run. I need to see what the people sponsoring the run say about that. If so that will give me enough to run 2 stacks like that. I know for sure that I will be doing BP checks very regularly. Keeping an eye on my ears too. Anytime I do get slightly elevated my ears get red so I have a visual warning that will tell me to check it. However that only happens when dehydrated and on stims which is a stupid thing to do anyway. The only other time they get red is during workouts just from the increased blood flow.
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I will be behind you 100%
 
I got bottle of Activate xtreme ill send u for natty t booster in PCT add that to your testopro one of my favs

No need for it anymore
 
Thanks Ed! Yeah with the TRT no need for that.
 
pembroke3355 said:
That would be alot of Divanil.
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I don't have that much of my TestoPro left... Just a week worth I was going to add into my PCT and have a little IC3 to modulate estro at end of PCT.
 
MrBigPR said:
don't believe the hype about carbs on this compoud...don't eat more than u have to
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Damn good post!!! I don't know why the bro-science community got so carried away telling everyone that this compound is a "carb-monster".
Keep your carbs at your current %. Maybe up it slightly.......but I stress slightly.
Up your protein intake for sure.
Drink lots of water to keep cramps and painful pumps at bay. Taurine and potassium helps also.
Take lots of fish oil. 10 grams or more per day.


And GROW!!!

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thundergod said:
Damn good post!!! I don't know why the bro-science community got so carried away telling everyone that this compound is a "carb-monster".
Keep your carbs at your current %. Maybe up it slightly.......but I stress slightly.
Up your protein intake for sure.
Drink lots of water to keep cramps and painful pumps at bay. Taurine and potassium helps also.
Take lots of fish oil. 10 grams or more per day.


And GROW!!!

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Damn TG u got Hulkamania today :)

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thundergod said:
Damn good post!!! I don't know why the bro-science community got so carried away telling everyone that this compound is a "carb-monster".
Keep your carbs at your current %. Maybe up it slightly.......but I stress slightly.
Up your protein intake for sure.
Drink lots of water to keep cramps and painful pumps at bay. Taurine and potassium helps also.
Take lots of fish oil. 10 grams or more per day.


And GROW!!!

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There is another highly respected vote for the keeping my carbs as is. I am sticking to what I know works for me then, and will do my original plan of eating a larger amount of protein intake and about 50 grams carbs post workout, carb refeeds Wednesday and Saturday Night/Sunday morning. If I feel I need more I will add in 1/2 cup oats. to meal 2 and 3. I MAY increase my half a grapefruit to a whole grapefruit. making that 2 grapefruits a day and some blueberries. I will work up the full blown diets tomorrow but I am only looking at about 25-2700 calories to start and see where i go from there. Since I have been getting in about 2000 that will be an adequate jump I can adjust up easily from there to 2800-3000. I would much rather gain 10 sexy ass lean pounds then 15 lbs with some bloating. That is just me. I can't go balls to the wall heavy anyway so I am deciding exacly how I am going to arrange the program. However the wife is working out with me tomorrow and Tuesday and her surgery is Wednesday. That is when the change will happen. in training.
 
Sounds like a damn good plan. Carb loading is awkward imo :( Although I am short now and I feel it
 
The only thing I can think is are you going to even feel Halodrol working after running something as strong as Superdrol.
 
DreamWeaver said:
The only thing I can think is are you going to even feel Halodrol working after running something as strong as Superdrol.
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I am not sure of the answer to that. Just about everyone would run something like h-drol before attempting Superdrol. For me only I would not go anywhere near Superdrol.
 
thundergod said:
Damn good post!!! I don't know why the bro-science community got so carried away telling everyone that this compound is a "carb-monster".
Keep your carbs at your current %. Maybe up it slightly.......but I stress slightly.
Up your protein intake for sure.
Drink lots of water to keep cramps and painful pumps at bay. Taurine and potassium helps also.
Take lots of fish oil. 10 grams or more per day.


And GROW!!!

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I've wasted many a-posts debating bro scientists. Though there was one Bro, Ph.D I respected and that was Hank Vangut. I don't see him around anymore, but he was a very compelling debater. Hank Vangut, Bro Ph.D. RIP.
 
pembroke3355 said:
I am not sure of the answer to that. Just about everyone would run something like h-drol before attempting Superdrol. For me only I would not go anywhere near Superdrol.
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Yeah but this is actually weaker than Superdrol due to the azine bond in it. Also has less sides and is less liver toxic than Superdrol. The doses you are looking at are 10mg and out of that only 5 would actually be superdrol the other molecule once broken down is a weaker version not eliciting as many sides as Superdrol. I have been doing A LOT of reading on this compound and that is the only reason I was willing to give it a shot. Even at the recommended dose of 20mg of this product you will only get 10mg of Superdrol a day. This is absolutely the strongest PS I will use.

As far as feeling H-Drol absolutely, why wouldn't I? I won't experience the same type of mass gains as I will from this, but I wouldn't even if the order was reversed. As long as I wait long enough and clear my receptors H-Drol is going to do it's thing. I am sure I will be more comfortable on the HDrol as well. I am also going to be stacking HDrol with another non methylated PH which I choose not to mention as it can only be bought on ebay and that would be to Bold to come right out and say...
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah but this is actually weaker than Superdrol due to the azine bond in it. Also has less sides and is less liver toxic than Superdrol. The doses you are looking at are 10mg and out of that only 5 would actually be superdrol the other molecule once broken down is a weaker version not eliciting as many sides as Superdrol. I have been doing A LOT of reading on this compound and that is the only reason I was willing to give it a shot. Even at the recommended dose of 20mg of this product you will only get 10mg of Superdrol a day. This is absolutely the strongest PS I will use.

As far as feeling H-Drol absolutely, why wouldn't I? I won't experience the same type of mass gains as I will from this, but I wouldn't even if the order was reversed. As long as I wait long enough and clear my receptors H-Drol is going to do it's thing. I am sure I will be more comfortable on the HDrol as well. I am also going to be stacking HDrol with another non methylated PH which I choose not to mention as it can only be bought on ebay and that would be to Bold to come right out and say...
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I am curious how this goes for you. If it works well it may be one for me to look at if I don't go and take Turanibol LV in the winter. Anyways, link us to the log if you are going to keep one on here. :bigok:
 
I will wait for about 4 months after the end of my PCT which is 2 times the length of the run and pct combined. I will also use Receptor in between to clean out my receptors. As a matter of fact I am going to run that shortly after my PCT so that my receptors are clean and my natural testosterone has more effect. I picked up several bottles since they were discounted. The fact that it is a different compound will also make it new to the receptors anyway which will help. This will be the only cycle I do of this particular nature and will not likely do one following the HDrol that I plan in Spring. At that point I really doubt I will need to get much bigger. I think by then I should be big enough to hold my own against most of the NPC guys. If not I will wait for a while and just double up on the Trifecta stack which is effective but much milder not really requiring much for support supps at all if any.
 
Link to the new log.

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Come give some support while I try to pack on some major muscle.
 
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