So I guess the goal is to have a test boost for two or three weeks, and get off of it before estrogen becomes a problem?
Yes. Or, estrogen formation can be attenuated simultaneously.So I guess the goal is to have a test boost for two or three weeks, and get off of it before estrogen becomes a problem?
Would there be a potential estrogen related issue if the D-AA was dosed according to the original study (12 on, 12 off)?Yes. Or, estrogen formation can be attenuated simultaneously.
Why not use a mild AI while extending a DAA cycle to a month or longer?Yes. Or, estrogen formation can be attenuated simultaneously.
Are you asking me? I'm not an expert, but you have good questions!Would there be a potential estrogen related issue if the D-AA was dosed according to the original study (12 on, 12 off)?
Also, what are you thoughts on D-AA and prolactin levels? Would you recommend using a prolactin antagonist, such as Vitamin B6/P-5-P, during the dosing period?
Sorry for the confusion king, but I was hoping to get a response from Dr. D regarding the subject matter.Are you asking me? I'm not an expert, but you have good questions!
I use L-Dopa to keep prolactin at bay. Pretty much anything that raises your dopamine levels should work.Would there be a potential estrogen related issue if the D-AA was dosed according to the original study (12 on, 12 off)?
Also, what are you thoughts on D-AA and prolactin levels? Would you recommend using a prolactin antagonist, such as Vitamin B6/P-5-P, during the dosing period?
There could be that risk, but I have not encountered it so far. I've experimented with DAA over about the last half a year, from 2.3g to 4.6g daily. I've even stacked it with Forskolin, which should theoretically amplify the risk of sides, but I've had no probs at all. I've stacked it with 7-MF too, which doesn't seem to be necessary, but adds another synergist to test production and extra insurance for guys that are gyno prone. I am exceptionally estro sensitive and still haven't found a dose or combo that's problematic. This ingredient seems pretty versatile and non-threatening as far as prolactin and estrogen.Would there be a potential estrogen related issue if the D-AA was dosed according to the original study (12 on, 12 off)?
Also, what are you thoughts on D-AA and prolactin levels? Would you recommend using a prolactin antagonist, such as Vitamin B6/P-5-P, during the dosing period?
Excellent! Thank you for the detailed response!There could be that risk, but I have not encountered it so far. I've experimented with DAA over about the last half a year, from 2.3g to 4.6g daily. I've even stacked it with Forskolin, which should theoretically amplify the risk of sides, but I've had no probs at all. I've stacked it with 7-MF too, which doesn't seem to be necessary, but adds another synergist to test production and extra insurance for guys that are gyno prone. I am exceptionally estro sensitive and still haven't found a dose or combo that's problematic. This ingredient seems pretty versatile and non-threatening as far as prolactin and estrogen.
Yes, just for extra insurance. It doesn't seem to be necessary, but I don't think it hurts. Some AI's can actually antagonize the steroidogenic mechanism of DAA, but 7-MF seems like a solid natural choice.Why not use a mild AI while extending a DAA cycle to a month or longer?
Yep, just a smidgen before bed with do ya! Too much and I get kinda queezy though. :knockedout:I use L-Dopa to keep prolactin at bay. Pretty much anything that raises your dopamine levels should work.
Whoa whoa whoa....hold the phone. Dr. D is back? This may be bigger news than any info given in this thread :lol:There could be that risk, but I have not encountered it so far. I've experimented with DAA over about the last half a year, from 2.3g to 4.6g daily. I've even stacked it with Forskolin, which should theoretically amplify the risk of sides, but I've had no probs at all. I've stacked it with 7-MF too, which doesn't seem to be necessary, but adds another synergist to test production and extra insurance for guys that are gyno prone. I am exceptionally estro sensitive and still haven't found a dose or combo that's problematic. This ingredient seems pretty versatile and non-threatening as far as prolactin and estrogen.
DW, it's been awhile since I heard from you man! Wow, years maybe. Thanks for welcoming me back.Whoa whoa whoa....hold the phone. Dr. D is back? This may be bigger news than any info given in this thread :lol:
but 3.13grams and you're just asking for trouble bub :lol:if you keep your dose to 3.12 grams daily there won't be any problems.
can you please explain how forskolin amplify's the risk of sides, thanksThere could be that risk, but I have not encountered it so far. I've experimented with DAA over about the last half a year, from 2.3g to 4.6g daily. I've even stacked it with Forskolin, which should theoretically amplify the risk of sides, but I've had no probs at all. I've stacked it with 7-MF too, which doesn't seem to be necessary, but adds another synergist to test production and extra insurance for guys that are gyno prone. I am exceptionally estro sensitive and still haven't found a dose or combo that's problematic. This ingredient seems pretty versatile and non-threatening as far as prolactin and estrogen.
Hey EZ! What's poppin'?Hey Dr D, nice to see you back too Are you using whats sold as straight DAA, or are you using sodium d-aspartate as was used in most of the studies? The only studies i've seen using straight DAA are injected (in vivo at least) in rats. I figure the combination of NaDA, and Applied Nutriceuticals Free Test, as well as something like Activate Extreme would be overall a hugely potent + and synergistic supplement stack (and i'll be finally starting in a couple weeks, ordered huge quantity of NaDA )
You know me bro, constantly testing something! I've really tried to wreck myself over the years, but I just keep on surviving somehow, lol. I guess God ain't done with me yet.Dr.D, you ran it a half a year straight!?! any side effects long term to look out for? *besides hormonally* like is it slightly toxic to any organs that may build up over time or whatever?
ive been on it about 40 days so far and acne is clearly increased but the overbearing sex drive only lasted like 3 weeks then it went back to normal. any blood tests long term or have u noticed it losing effect? i kinda miss that feeling of never being satisfied lolYou know me bro, constantly testing something! I've really tried to wreck myself over the years, but I just keep on surviving somehow, lol. I guess God ain't done with me yet.
No, I haven't noticed any subtle long-term sequela, or significant acute toxicity either. Like I said, the DL-AA seemed a little rough to me. I didn't trust the feeling enough to keep testing it, even though it's super cheap compared to D-AA. After all these years I have a pretty good feel for the intrinsic toxicity of things, and DAA seems like it's inherently "pretty ok". I would still suggest cycling it though (like most things, even creatine) as far as a long-term strategy.
My wife asked me tonight if I was "taking something" because she said my back looked a little bumpy. It's funny I had kinda noticed it myself about a month or so ago, but I haven't cycled any phs in over 2 years, so I guess the only side so far is possibly slight acne.
As far as long-term positives, I haven't experienced any major joint healing of old injuries, which I was hoping for since DAA might theoretically repair old connective probs. I have noticed also that I got the "old man nads" more, kinda reminiscent of an hCG effect. Not sure if you'd necessarily consider that a benefit or a side effect though, lol. It could be useful to antagonize certain post-cycle issues I'd bet.
Forskolin is a fairly indiscriminate stimulant of cAMP mediated steroidogenesis, just like DAA. So, they have similar side-effect potential as far as estrogen and prolactin production. I have never experience a problem in those areas with either compound, together or separate, but forskolin does mess with my stomach at doses over 25-30mg. The dose is supposed to be 50mg though. So adding DAA has worked great, because now I can utilize a lower dose of forskolin and still get results from it! I like the combo. Even though I don't think DAA is all that bad, stacking the forskolin also allows me to keep the dose of DAA as low as reasonably achievable and still get results from it too, as a nice synergistic combo.can you please explain how forskolin amplify's the risk of sides, thanks
I do have some guys running blood on various DAA protocols, but I'm not at this point. I actually think the effects are getting more pronounced for me though, rather than leveling off. It accumulates, so it makes sense. I was thinking about cutting back to about 1-1.5g/day for awhile, and see how long I could ride a lower dose now that I'm well loaded.ive been on it about 40 days so far and acne is clearly increased but the overbearing sex drive only lasted like 3 weeks then it went back to normal. any blood tests long term or have u noticed it losing effect? i kinda miss that feeling of never being satisfied lol
Gee, that combination of ingredients sounds like a WIN in my book! I wonder if there are any products out there that might have a similar formulation. That would be pretty killer!!There could be that risk, but I have not encountered it so far. I've experimented with DAA over about the last half a year, from 2.3g to 4.6g daily. I've even stacked it with Forskolin, which should theoretically amplify the risk of sides, but I've had no probs at all. I've stacked it with 7-MF too, which doesn't seem to be necessary, but adds another synergist to test production and extra insurance for guys that are gyno prone. I am exceptionally estro sensitive and still haven't found a dose or combo that's problematic. This ingredient seems pretty versatile and non-threatening as far as prolactin and estrogen.
I wasn't aware that he went away! He's been in the misc. sections.Last time I saw DR D on here was when Glycobol was being released. There is ALOT of man love round here for the Dr....
VERY good thread....highly informative, tks all!Good Thread.
Always great to see Dr.D around.
I just started my third tub of DAA this week. Haven't noticed any sides. The first two tubs were TestForce, and the third is NP's DAA. I figure I'll run through this third tub, and then maybe go off for about a month.
Hey lonewolf, have you noticed any differences between TestForce and NP's D-AA?Good Thread.
Always great to see Dr.D around.
I just started my third tub of DAA this week. Haven't noticed any sides. The first two tubs were TestForce, and the third is NP's DAA. I figure I'll run through this third tub, and then maybe go off for about a month.
Today is only day 2 of using NP's DAA, so I can't say that I've noticed a difference.Hey lonewolf, have you noticed any differences between TestForce and NP's D-AA?
Also, what do you find is the best way to take the bulk D-AA? Mixed with juice, powdered flavoring, protein shake, straight up...
Haha, yes, stupid politics has stolen me away in the misc section. But no more! I give up on trying to comprehend political stuff, and I'm back to easier things I can actually understand like supps.... I wasn't aware that he went away! He's been in the misc. sections.
and the up in prolactin rigth Señor?Yes. Or, estrogen formation can be attenuated simultaneously.
Si senor!and the up in prolactin rigth Señor?
St. John's Wort low prolactin....:sombrero: too?Si senor!
Like some other guys have mentioned, fat dosing Vit. B-6 at night (which I would only do for short periods of time because of neuropathy risk) or taking dopaminergic herbs like Mucuna at night or St. John's Wort in the morning would be my first considerations if it became a problem.
Palabra tu su madre! (did I say that right?)St. John's Wort low prolactin....:sombrero: too?
Palabra tu su madre! (did I say that right?)
http://www.psychotropical.com/St_Johns_Wort_Efficacy.shtml
not true.I know this stuff is supposed to help the gonads use more cholesterol.
nopeDose this happen on a level that can benefit cholesterol levels?
I know it's a stretch, but it runs in my family, so it would be coo if I was on to something!
that was a claim they made, yes.Wait, isn't TCF-1 supposed to use DAA to convert cholesterol into testosterone?
Has nothing to do with cholesterol, I got this from another forum and they aren't my words.Wait, isn't TCF-1 supposed to use DAA to convert cholesterol into testosterone?
My non scientific answer is "no" If I tried to explain it, it wont sound good as someone who is better at it, lolI was wondering too if a juice would enhance solubility of bulk DAA. Like grapefruit or orange juice.
Any thoughts DR. D?
first post here. can't take the retards at bb.com anymore.
would LOVE to hear more info on this, i have several problems myselfAs far as long-term positives, I haven't experienced any major joint healing of old injuries, which I was hoping for since DAA might theoretically repair old connective probs.
I've read studies demonstrating that DAA acts directly on the testes (Leydig cells) of male animals as well, and accumulates there depending on the circumstances.Has nothing to do with cholesterol, I got this from another forum and they aren't my words.
"DAA is thought to increase LH, FSH and test by interacting with the hypothalumus to produce increased concentrations of GnRH which will stimulate the pituitary to release LH and FSH, which then mediate test release and sexual function in the testes."
DAA forms acidic solutions, so bases like Sodium Bicarbonate/Baking Soda would generate salts (Sodium d-Aspartate in this case) if mixed together in a glass or taken simultaneously. That would increase solubility, which means it could likely be taken up from the gut an hour or two faster than the free acid. I don't see why this would be of particular interest though, since it's not a supp you need to start working fast. You don't even have to split the doses up during the day, just take the whole dose whenever. If you take regular DAA, it's all going to be absorbed in a matter of hours probably, no matter if you take it with food, an empty stomach, with juice, or whatever. It's not like a pre-w/o supp or something, where timing is even really an issue IMO. I personally prefer plain ol' DAA, just because it's the most efficient form to use (you don't have to take as much as the other forms.)I was wondering too if a juice would enhance solubility of bulk DAA. Like grapefruit or orange juice.
Any thoughts DR. D?
first post here. can't take the retards at bb.com anymore.